CANADA CANADA - ROBERT PICKTON, Pig Farm Killer, Vancouver, 1990'S

[samhoney]

The B.C. government announced plans last month to fund travel and accommodation for families to attend the trial.

B.C. has a HUGE surplus of money right now. Personally, I can't think of a better cause to fund. It is the very least the government can do for these families since the RCMP turned a blind eye to these missing women for years. :clap:

 

[Rle7]

B.C. has a HUGE surplus of money right now. Personally, I can't think of a better cause to fund. It is the very least the government can do for these families since the RCMP turned a blind eye to these missing women for years. :clap:

I'm glad BC has money, because its going to cost millions and millions to prosecute Pickton. This is just the first in a long string of trials and appeals. It would have been way cheaper if RCMP had done their job in the first place. Lives could have been saved. It seems that RCMP is the last to admit there's a serial killer around.

 

[jilly]

I agree about the RCMP. The Air India trial cost millions too and those guys got off. Then of course, Clifford Olsen who actually murdered more children while he was under surveillance not to mention the fact that he got paid $10,000 per child to help with their investigation.

 

[samhoney]

We had a friend over tonight and our conversation turned to this case. There is some evidence that the women were killed for the purpose of making snuff films, which were subsequently sold in Europe.

 

[kazzbar]

We had a friend over tonight and our conversation turned to this case. There is some evidence that the women were killed for the purpose of making snuff films, which were subsequently sold in Europe.

If this is true then the case is even more disturbing.I wonder if LE have any evidence of this.Sounds like Picton was pretty wealthy so I guess there would be a money trail involved if this was the case. Makes it even sadder as far as I am concerned...:banghead:

 

[Rle7]

Here are this week's highlights of the trial of Robert (Willie) Pickton, 57, who is accused of the murders of 26 women from Vancouver's Downtown Eastside. Pickton's first trial began Jan. 22 and deals with the killings of six women: Sereena Abotsway, Mona Wilson, Marnie Frey, Georgina Papin, Brenda Wolfe and Andrea Joesbury. The other 20 murder charges will be dealt with at a later trial.

- Monday, Feb. 5: The court hears a videotape in which Pickton tells an undercover RCMP officer in his jail cell that he had little hope following his arrest. "I'm screwed, tattooed and nailed to the cross, and now I'm a mass murderer... ." He said his farm - which police had been searching for two weeks at that point - "buried him."

- Pickton tells his cellmate street people are "wasting their lives away."

- Tuesday, Feb. 6: The undercover officer testifies that Pickton told him he wanted to kill 50 women, take some time off and then kill another 25.

- In the video, the court hears Pickton brag that he had baffled and stumped police. "I was gonna do one more, make it an even 50," Pickton said. The accused killer said:"I made my own grave by being sloppy ... Mister Sloppy. Sloppy at the end." Pickton held up four fingers. "Four I was sloppy with," he said.

- Pickton told his cellmate he was going to be famous - bigger than Seattle's Green River killer, who killed 42 women. "I'm on top of the world," Pickton said.

- In the video, the cellmate tells Pickton the best way to dispose of a body is in the ocean. "I did better than that," Pickton said. He leaned forward, giggled and whispered: "A rendering plant."

http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=a4cea186-dd83-4a4c-8333-ca2c364883a4&k=29730

What a sick SOB:sick: A life sentence in the coldest jail cell in northern Canada would be too good for this monster :behindbar

 

[kazzbar]

Thanyou for the update. We do not hear much about this case here. I appreciate you keeping me up to date. What is with the rendering plant? Does anyone know anything about it?

 

[squeaky]

Thanyou for the update. We do not hear much about this case here. I appreciate you keeping me up to date. What is with the rendering plant? Does anyone know anything about it?

http://jivdaya.org/rendering_plants.htm

 

[samhoney]

http://jivdaya.org/rendering_plants.htm

Oh, dear God in heaven above.

I can't believe I forgot about this! It was 2004...maybe late 2003?? There was a scare here in Vancouver that some of missing women ended up in the local human food chain. It took very little time for RCMP to issue a statement saying that it is possible that some victims ended up in the food chain but not in the human food chain.

This makes total sense. If he did get rid of the bodies like he said, they would have ended up in the animal food chain. At least this is the conclusion I came to after reading that horrible and disgusting page about a rendering plant.

I seriously feel sick to my stomach.

 

[kazzbar]

OMG. Thanks for the link Squeaky. Now I Know....

Sorry I do...
But thanks..
What a terrible way to end up , just so sad...

 

[Rle7]

A woman who’s lost three relatives to the rough streets of the Downtown Eastside says people seem to care more about storm-ravaged trees in Stanley Park than about murdered women.

Pauline Johnson spoke as hundreds of people gathered in the Vancouver neighbourhood to mourn the lives of missing and murdered women.

But between their teardrops many also decried the indifference they believe has allowed many of the disappearances to go uninvestigated and the murders unsolved.

Family members of the women were among those attending the 16th annual Missing Women’s Memorial March.

“A tree falls in Stanley Park and everybody runs,” Johnson said. “A human being gets murdered on the Downtown Eastside and everybody turns his back.”

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/PicktonTrial/Features/2007/02/14/3617952-cp.html

 

[samhoney]

I think a reason why the story isn't covered as much is the stringent black out imposed by the judge. News stations/papers will cover events like their gathering but they have to step back and really question the other things that they write about in regards to the Pickton case.

Stanley Park lost 1,000 trees in the last huge Pacific front that went through Vancouver. It was SCARY and this is coming from someone who lived in Tornado Alley for 28 years. I worked as a victims' advocate and as a social worker for a long time and my heart is always staunchly with the victims of crime and their loved ones. There does come a time when the world has to keep on spinning. To a lot of families it does seem like no one cares but there are so many people out there who do. Life has to go on and I know there are a lot of goodhearted people here in Greater Van who will help these families through this difficult time.

 

[Rle7]

An RCMP officer found holes in Vancouver police files on women missing from the Downtown Eastside, Robert Pickton's murder trial was told Thursday.

Sgt. Margaret Kingsbury told Pickton's defence lawyer that she initially didn't review the 27 cases that sparked the Missing Women's Task Force when she joined the investigation.

But when she did look at the files, she found things that should have been followed up on. They eventually were.

Lawyer Adrian Brooks asked Kingsbury whether she was satisfied that the search done for missing women was thorough.

"I can only answer for the investigations that I know about and I have reviewed," Kingsbury said, not specifying whether she was satisfied.

"There are still historical missing women that are reported to us to this day."

Many family members of the missing women and community advocates were highly critical of Vancouver police's handling of the cases, saying they were unable to get police to take the disappearances seriously.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070216/pickton_trial_070216/20070216?hub=Canada

 

[Rle7]

WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT

One of the many horrors in Robert "Willie" Pickton’s serial-killing trial was revealed in graphic detail Tuesday, along with evidence that police found a high-powered handgun at the Pickton farm.
Jurors showed little reaction when they were shown a photo of the most grotesque evidence presented so far.

Crown prosecutor warned that he would be discussing a graphic photo, a picture of the contents of a green garbage can found in the slaughterhouse next to Pickton’s trailer. A brown garbage can had been inserted into the green one, and when the brown one was removed, remains of Mona Wilson, who disappeared in December 2001, were discovered inside.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=acbd4832-aeee-4721-95b9-c8edb3151305&rfp=dta

 

[Rle7]

Warning to readers: Some of the content of this story is graphic and may offend some readers. Discretion is advised.

NEW WESTMINSTER, B.C. - Tim Sleigh's life changed the moment he set foot on the messy Port Coquitlam pig farm. That was five years ago.

A forensic identification specialist and RCMP veteran, Sergeant Sleigh was used to chasing homicides. He had been doing it for decades, and had mentored other, junior officers in the craft.

This case was different; he knew that immediately. It was already shaping up as huge. Eventually it became the largest forensic investigation in Canada ever.
Sgt. Sleigh would soon find himself in the thick of it. He became a central cog in the investigation.

Within weeks the soft-spoken, mild mannered police veteran made a gruesome discovery, and then witnessed another, and another.

There was a series of power failures. That was followed by a powerful smell emanating from a workshop on the Pickton farm. Sgt. Sleigh followed his nose. It led him to a freezer and to a pair of buckets. He looked inside.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=965f6ddb-8cca-480f-be8e-81f943f96932&k=82496&p=1

 

[Rle7]

Robert Pickton's brother, Dave, is under investigation for his possible involvement in the disappearance of women from Vancouver's skid row.

Testifying at Robert Pickton's multiple-murder trial, Detective Constable Michael McDonald told court yesterday that Dave Pickton was being investigated with respect to missing women whose disappearances are not linked to the current trial.

The investigation is continuing as of today, he said in response to questions from Robert Pickton's defence lawyer, Richard Brooks.

Vancouver police have identified more than 60 women who disappeared from Vancouver's Downtown Eastside in recent years. Robert Pickton, 57, is on trial for the murder of six of the women. He has been charged with the murder of an additional 20 women. A date for a second trial has not yet been set.

His younger brother, Dave, has not been charged in the missing-women case, but his name has come up frequently during the trial.
This week at the trial, the jury heard that police believed Robert was controlled by his brother Dave.

RCMP officer Tim Sleigh testified that he had the impression that Robert was "mentally diminished" and Dave was the brains of the two. Dave was condescending to Robert and protective of him, according to Sgt. Sleigh. Robert seemed to be submissive and deferred to his brother when asked a question, the jury heard.

The jury also heard Robert Pickton say during a videotaped interview with police that his brother was not involved. His comment came in response to a police officer asking whether Dave "took part in this stuff."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070302.BCPICKTON02/TPStory/National

I think the whole Pickton family needs sterilization to keep from reproducing these monsters.

 

[samhoney]

RCMP officer Tim Sleigh testified that he had the impression that Robert was "mentally diminished" and Dave was the brains of the two. Dave was condescending to Robert and protective of him, according to Sgt. Sleigh. Robert seemed to be submissive and deferred to his brother when asked a question, the jury heard.

That is absolutely how it happened. Dave orchestrated the idea of killing these women and sent Robert out to find these women. Do not be surprised if you hear about this case's huge connection to the Hells Angels and the film studio that was owned by Dave Pickton.

Let's see... possible snuff films, owning a film studio complete with state of the art editing equipment and the Hell's Angels. Now, where do you think all of this is going?

Oh yeah, I almost forgot: the above is "allegedly" how it happened.

EDIT: These two brothers are criminal rednecks who happened to have millions of dollars at their disposal. They were pig farmers. How many farmers do you know or heard of that own a state of the art film studio?? I grew up in the rice farming and agricultural areas in Texas. I lived in Oklahoma for a long time. The answer for me is, NONE! It just sets off fireworks and bells in my head that the one brother owned this. Films of what? Look at the evidence and it isn't too hard to figure out.

 

[mysteriew]

When I first began reading about this I had questions about the brother. Robert could have done it, but I don't think he had the smarts to hide it this well. Brother is right there on the farm and claims to have no knowledge of any of the murders. Brother participated in the parties. I just don't believe it. I think Robert idolized his brother and is trying to cover for him, probably with coaching from the brother.

 

[Rle7]

Advisory: Story includes graphic details that some readers may find disturbing.

NEW WESTMINSTER -- RCMP firearms inspectors handled a gun found in accused killer Robert "Willie" Pickton's trailer so extensively that investigators didn't bother examining it for fingerprints, court heard yesterday.

The chrome Smith & Wesson .22 revolver had been discovered with a phallic sex toy over the end of it, on a shelf in Pickton's laundry room, jurors have heard.

Two years after police seized the gun, Vancouver police Const. Rodney Deighton began a forensic examination of the weapon, he testified yesterday at Pickton's serial-killing trial.

Deighton was able to see some fingerprint ridges, but he knew that it had come from the RCMP firearms section, where staff test-fired it, he said. Deighton called a sergeant in that section to find out if the firearms staff had worn gloves when touching the pistol, he said.

"It was extensively handled by this sergeant and his staff without gloves," Deighton testified. "As a result of that it was decided not to print that exhibit."

Court has heard that DNA from Mona Wilson, whose remains were found at the farm, and Pickton were found on the sex toy on the gun's barrel.

Defence lawyer Patrick McGowan suggested Deighton's DNA had contaminated thin plastic found on the gun, and on a seized hair clipper and attachments.

"This is all news to me," Deighton testified.

RCMP Sgt. Margaret Kingsbury testified earlier that "numerous" items seized on the Pickton property were contaminated by investigators' DNA, but DNA profiles of all investigators were kept on file to sort out contamination, jurors have heard.

http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=9350f2cd-42c8-4bc6-a3d6-1829fbfb142d&k=61029

 

[samhoney]

If anyone wants to keep up to date on the daily events of the Pickton case, you can find them here: http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&ned=ca&q=robert+pickton&btnG=Search+News