Identified! Canada - Rosedale, Toronto, BlkFem (Afr mix), 4-7, in constr dumpster, PMI sum/fall'21, 2 May 2022 - Neveah Tucker

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Ceedee said:
The article mentions that Neveah and her brother were enrolled at (but never attended) Church Street Daycare in the Gay Village, which is 2km/about a five minute drive from the dumpster on Dale Avenue. I think it’s possible her mother lived in the area and may have noticed that dumpsters/junk bins used for residential renos tend to be some of the only ones in the city that aren’t consistently locked up.
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More fool her. Construction dumpsters are regularly checked by site workers, for maximum efficiency of filling, and for waste not accepted by the the facility that they can be fined for or have the whole bin rejected for. She would have been better off finding an unlocked business dumpster, maybe one with spoiled food, or a mixed waste apartment dumpster filled with all kinds of junk.

(Don't do crime, kids.)

MOO
 
musicaljoke said:
Gathering DNA from minors and making it available to the police will never happen in Canada. While I understand the sentiment, there is a huge potential for all kinds of privacy breaches. Not all people want to be identifiable.

Parents have the opportunity to make fingerprint charts for their kids, but the parents keep those and would only offer them to LE if the unthinkable need arose.
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You raise a good current point. It’s interesting, in that we are one generation away from science ending an ethical question that people debated with true passion: should my DNA be private? The question is about to be over, in that people will wish it so but familial will simply end the possibility. This is going the way of closed adoption: people forcefully and righteously insist it should be an option. Demand it! But familial DNA ends both the possibility and the ethical question. People might not want to be identifiable. They might love insisting on it! It’s scientific bull*. There is no more identifiable unless your parents are third-world peasants. And probably not even then. This scientific ethical debate is over.
 
dotr said:
Aug. 26, 2024
www.thestar.com

‘We need to stop looking away’: Child advocates calling for answers following the Star’s revelations about Neveah

The Star published new details this weekend about the life of Neveah, whose decomposed body was found in a Rosedale dumpster in May 2022.
www.thestar.com www.thestar.com
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Omg! I struggled with if I did the right thing sharing what I had found. And I had sent it to the Toronto Star to the journalist that had previously covered her case! I am so glad that they’ve been writing about her and pressing for a coroners inquest. We need to keep these stories in the news and keep pressing for answers, so that there can be Justice for these victims. Also it’s so clear to me that we need major changes in Canada when it comes to CAS (childrens aid) Neveah should never have been put in the care of her mother. This reminds me of the recent case in Kingston Ontario where a mother who had a history of having her other children removed moved jurisdictions in order to evade Children’s aid and had two more children - who she left for 8 days, and the youngest (a baby!) died, her 3 year old survived but im
Sure is traumatized. Our government in Canada and the children’s aid organizations are failing these vulnerable children. These kids should never have been put in the care of parents who have proven they are neglectful and unfit multiple times! Thank you for sharing this article.
 
moonshoes said:
Omg! I struggled with if I did the right thing sharing what I had found. And I had sent it to the Toronto Star to the journalist that had previously covered her case! I am so glad that they’ve been writing about her and pressing for a coroners inquest. We need to keep these stories in the news and keep pressing for answers, so that there can be Justice for these victims. Also it’s so clear to me that we need major changes in Canada when it comes to CAS (childrens aid) Neveah should never have been put in the care of her mother. This reminds me of the recent case in Kingston Ontario where a mother who had a history of having her other children removed moved jurisdictions in order to evade Children’s aid and had two more children - who she left for 8 days, and the youngest (a baby!) died, her 3 year old survived but im
Sure is traumatized. Our government in Canada and the children’s aid organizations are failing these vulnerable children. These kids should never have been put in the care of parents who have proven they are neglectful and unfit multiple times! Thank you for sharing this article.
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When I read the stories in The Star, I actually thought of your posts here.
 
moonshoes said:
Omg! I struggled with if I did the right thing sharing what I had found. And I had sent it to the Toronto Star to the journalist that had previously covered her case! I am so glad that they’ve been writing about her and pressing for a coroners inquest. We need to keep these stories in the news and keep pressing for answers, so that there can be Justice for these victims. Also it’s so clear to me that we need major changes in Canada when it comes to CAS (childrens aid) Neveah should never have been put in the care of her mother. This reminds me of the recent case in Kingston Ontario where a mother who had a history of having her other children removed moved jurisdictions in order to evade Children’s aid and had two more children - who she left for 8 days, and the youngest (a baby!) died, her 3 year old survived but im
Sure is traumatized. Our government in Canada and the children’s aid organizations are failing these vulnerable children. These kids should never have been put in the care of parents who have proven they are neglectful and unfit multiple times! Thank you for sharing this article.
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One of the problems is that children's aid is so fragmented. We don't have one single children's aid society here in Manitoba; we have seemingly a dozen or more.
 
Blurgle said:
One of the problems is that children's aid is so fragmented. We don't have one single children's aid society here in Manitoba; we have seemingly a dozen or more.
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This is a huge issue! And it's the same in Ontario. if you look on CanLii at the various cases involving Children's aid, even just if you peruse a random 10 cases they would likely all be from different jurisdictions (when I did this for Ontario anyways). and even within jurisdictions there will also be mulitiple different CAS organizations like a Catholic Children's Aid Society and say a Toronto Children's aid or Children's aid of North York etc.

To think that there hasn't been a major overhaul of this system is insane. Not to mention what would happen if someone who was dealing with Children's aid were to move provinces? I suspect there would be little if any follow up.

In the one Toronto Star Article written in response to the revelations about Neveah's case, it is mentioned that there was supposed to have been a database that would allow CAS (children's aid) to type in a name of a parent and see if they have a history elsewhere with Children's Aid. It seems like that database doesn't exist as it should, or that it is not being used.

If more people read the cases on CanLii I think they'd be horrified at the way the most vulnerable children in our society are being allowed to fall through the cracks for so long - or in Neveah's case entirely - (and these are the cases that get published that we can read about). It's really sad. It has to change.
 
iamshadow21 said:
I still wonder where she stored Neveah's body for nearly a year. When it was placed in the dumpster, it was not immediately after she died. A storage locker? A freezer? And why move it from where it was to the dumpster, if it had gone undiscovered for so long?

MOO
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It sounds to me like she moved a lot. And I could see the theory that possibly she was storing her outside or in a garage (another poster on this thread mentioned this - because Canada and Ontario could have had pretty cold of a winter and made this possible for at least part of that time). My guess is she was either being evicted or her living arrangement was changing (or possibly she was moving to change CAS jurisdictions...) and it sounds like she had another child (if I read that correctly) so I think maybe she had to move for some reason and couldn't keep hiding the body where it had been being stored.

I'm sure that when charges are finally laid (I truly hope there will be justice for Neveah) it will make more sense, I just don't understand how there haven't at least been at least something like neglect charges filed?
 
Wow... great insightful thoughts. I agree about DNA when child enters system, but know full well Civil Liberties will be screaming, and yes, I too sit on the fence. This is a very disturbing dilemma, and surely some smart cop could come up with some charges. Will the mother walk? Probably. Maybe it's time to hold the Children Services accountable. Start involving/charging them, and maybe we will see an overhaul of a lame backward system.
 
AddyFinch said:
Wow... great insightful thoughts. I agree about DNA when child enters system, but know full well Civil Liberties will be screaming, and yes, I too sit on the fence. This is a very disturbing dilemma, and surely some smart cop could come up with some charges. Will the mother walk? Probably. Maybe it's time to hold the Children Services accountable. Start involving/charging them, and maybe we will see an overhaul of a lame backward system.
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If you start charging the Children's Services workers then they'll quit in droves, which will cause even more problems.
 
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