GUILTY Canada - Tess Richey, 22, Toronto, 25 Nov 2017 *Arrest*

[Grey-St]

One thing I will say is this, as a general comment. When you encounter "awkward" individuals in life, be sensitive to their needs, but ultimately if you see them crossing serious personal boundaries with people, do not let that slide. What we are hearing from people who knew Kalen was a pattern of (mis)behaviour that went unchecked because people wrote it off because "he's just awkward". Awkward or not, everyone can be taught, but only if someone actually addresses an issue.

I couldn't agree with this more. There's a sensitive way to say anything, too. Folks need to be aware no matter what that they have crossed a boundary. It does them good in the long run from a human development perspective, however uncomfortable that conversation might be. Doing otherwise can be very problematic.

I don't blame anyone for not, though. It can sometimes just be easier to brush someone off as a jerk and not engage further. It can also be a form of self preservation or safety. I've only just started in young adulthood to exercise this voice, and on more occasions than I'd like to admit, felt myself feeling more vulnerable or threatened after calling someone out or addressing a concern, even if I've done so in the most mature, respectful or sensitive manner. Some people don't like constructive criticism, especially if there's an imbalance of power and/or gender issues.

 

[Grey-St]

Whoops! Sorry, KS. was thinking of the last half of his surname. a bit tired here.

How does someone kill people, then spend time with friends acting 'normal'?? I really do not get it.

That alone is 'weird'. No conscience? Just forget about it? I fret over parking tickets or not finding my credit card. Never mind harming/killing someone!

Esp. once your pictures have been on tv!!!

I sincerely hope LE was seveiling him appropriately after they had identified him. Like what the heck, just business as usual for this guy up until his arrest? The number of times he went to work, met with friends, interacted with others in the time in between is nauseating.

 

[Grey-St]

I think the thing is that his behaviour was appalling, but for the most part unfortunately not far enough outside the range of what is considered "acceptable" from awkward young men to ring alarm bells.

I know we've (particularly dudes) got a lot of work to do on changing that.

It's become normalized. We need a complete societal shift, I'm hoping we get there. Men need to be more open to accepting accountability and receiving feedback, and women need to feel safe in voicing their concerns. I was literally harassed, barrated, and threatened this week for doing just that. It's maddening, and so not right!

 

[lcid]

I couldn't agree with this more. There's a sensitive way to say anything, too. Folks need to be aware no matter what that they have crossed a boundary. It does them good in the long run from a human development perspective, however uncomfortable that conversation might be. Doing otherwise can be very problematic.

I don't blame anyone for not, though. It can sometimes just be easier to brush someone off as a jerk and not engage further. It can also be a form of self preservation or safety. I've only just started in young adulthood to exercise this voice, and on more occasions than I'd like to admit, felt myself feeling more vulnerable or threatened after calling someone out or addressing a concern, even if I've done so in the most mature, respectful or sensitive manner. Some people don't like constructive criticism, especially if there's an imbalance of power and/or gender issues.

I acknowledged gender issues in a follow-up response. I'm also speaking as a woman, so I get that.

 

[lcid]

I sincerely hope LE was seveiling him appropriately after they had identified him. Like what the heck, just business as usual for this guy up until his arrest? The number of times he went to work, met with friends, interacted with others in the time in between is nauseating.

I do wonder about timelines. One article (can't remember which now) said that neighbours reported police cruisers showing up on Lansdowne as early as mid December.

It also makes me wonder exactly what led them to arrest him. Gibson also said during that press conference he was arrested "near his home"... at 11pm on a Sunday night. Where was he?

 

[lcid]

I know sleuthing families is not allowed and honestly, I shouldn't have done it, but it was based on Tess' obituary as well as a tweet from Varina today. I'm not going to share more than what you can gather from both.

Fundamentally though, Tess has more family members than just the Richeys & their mom who are grieving too. I'm so sick of thinking about how many people have had Tess stolen from them by Kalen Schlatter. Despicable. Everyone's life matters don't get me wrong but seeing someone who had her whole life ahead of her, with so much love around her, just murdered by some coward. I'm enraged.

 

[Grey-St]

I know sleuthing families is not allowed and honestly, I shouldn't have done it, but it was based on Tess' obituary as well as a tweet from Varina today. I'm not going to share more than what you can gather from both.

Fundamentally though, Tess has more family members than just the Richeys & their mom who are grieving too. I'm so sick of thinking about how many people have had Tess stolen from them by Kalen Schlatter. Despicable. Everyone's life matters don't get me wrong but seeing someone who had her whole life ahead of her, with so much love around her, just murdered by some coward. I'm enraged.

Complete and utter violence, like you said. So arbitrary and sickening and deeply upsetting. I have felt sick to my stomach and can't shake it.

 

[LushGerbil]

I just can't get over what a genuinely pathetic loser the perpetrator turned out to be. Tess doesn't deserve to have her name linked to this guy's forever and I look forward to the day I remember hers but forget his completely.

 

[Eikon1990]

This guy had some balls on him. Imagine being wanted for murder, and your picture is circulating in the media as suspect #1. How paranoid would you be? And his neighbours noticed police presence on their street since mid december? The cops could have used unmarked cars but they obviously wanted to be noticed. Betting on the likelihood that a normal person would be spooked into confessing. But nope, this dude just kept living his life pretending everything was normal. Walking past cop cars on his street like he had nothing to hide. Im sure police would have questioned him early on too. Maybe see if he was willing to voluntarily provide dna ect? I wonder how compliant he was? Did he admit that he was the guy in the pictures, just not responsible for Tess' death or did he look cops straight in the eye and deny that he was the same person in the photographs at all? Admitting to being the same guy in the pics sounds the same thing as admitting to murder based on the video cops say they have leading up to the crime itself. But denying your the same person in the photographs while cops are standing on your doorstep looking at you just seems ridiculous. Unless this guy lawyered up from day 1 and stuck with the same story the entire time he's obviously not too bright. Almost bordering on delusional if he thought he was going to walk away from this.

 

[nuff]

This guy had some balls on him. Imagine being wanted for murder, and your picture is circulating in the media as suspect #1. How paranoid would you be? And his neighbours noticed police presence on their street since mid december? The cops could have used unmarked cars but they obviously wanted to be noticed. Betting on the likelihood that a normal person would be spooked into confessing. But nope, this dude just kept living his life pretending everything was normal. Walking past cop cars on his street like he had nothing to hide. Im sure police would have questioned him early on too. Maybe see if he was willing to voluntarily provide dna ect? I wonder how compliant he was? Did he admit that he was the guy in the pictures, just not responsible for Tess' death or did he look cops straight in the eye and deny that he was the same person in the photographs at all? Admitting to being the same guy in the pics sounds the same thing as admitting to murder based on the video cops say they have leading up to the crime itself. But denying your the same person in the photographs while cops are standing on your doorstep looking at you just seems ridiculous. Unless this guy lawyered up from day 1 and stuck with the same story the entire time he's obviously not too bright. Almost bordering on delusional if he thought he was going to walk away from this.

Everyone seems prepared to demonize this young man. I get that, but I can't help observing he is at the age where schizophrenia can begin to manifest itself. If he had a psychotic break at the time of the killing, he could have been in a dissociative state and genuinely not remember or know he had done it.

 

[chimpface]

Everyone seems prepared to demonize this young man. I get that, but I can't help observing he is at the age where schizophrenia can begin to manifest itself. If he had a psychotic break at the time of the killing, he could have been in a dissociative state and genuinely not remember or know he had done it.

That seems highly unlikely.

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[lcid]

Everyone seems prepared to demonize this young man. I get that, but I can't help observing he is at the age where schizophrenia can begin to manifest itself. If he had a psychotic break at the time of the killing, he could have been in a dissociative state and genuinely not remember or know he had done it.

So at what point do you think this dissociative state started? When he befriended Tess and her friend and spent hours with them, building up Tess' trust in him? Do you think he was also dissociating when he tried to get another total stranger to go with him to El Convento Rico? How about the many years of harassing, stalking, crossing boundaries of women, reported by people who have known him for several years... were those dissociative states too?

 

[lcid]

So at what point do you think this dissociative state started? When he befriended Tess and her friend and spent hours with them, building up Tess' trust in him? Do you think he was also dissociating when he tried to get another total stranger to go with him to El Convento Rico? How about the many years of harassing, stalking, crossing boundaries of women, reported by people who have known him for several years... were those dissociative states too?

Was he in this state when he carefully scrubbed the internet of any mention of his name?

 

[Inspektor Clueso]

Everyone seems prepared to demonize this young man. I get that, but I can't help observing he is at the age where schizophrenia can begin to manifest itself. If he had a psychotic break at the time of the killing, he could have been in a dissociative state and genuinely not remember or know he had done it.

With all due respect, this perpetuates the stigma of mental illness in relation to violence. Most mentally ill people don't commit violent crimes, rather they are victims most of the time. With the exception of maybe a few (and that is a very very very small amount of people), it is not the norm.

 

[Grey-St]

I just can't get over what a genuinely pathetic loser the perpetrator turned out to be. Tess doesn't deserve to have her name linked to this guy's forever and I look forward to the day I remember hers but forget his completely.

He was a genuinely pathetic loser from day one in my books. He just has a face and name now.

 

[Grey-St]

Everyone seems prepared to demonize this young man. I get that, but I can't help observing he is at the age where schizophrenia can begin to manifest itself. If he had a psychotic break at the time of the killing, he could have been in a dissociative state and genuinely not remember or know he had done it.

Why should he get any benefit of the doubt? Do you think Dellen Millard was mentally ill, too? Bruce McArthur?

None of these men have been or will be found "not criminally responsible", IMO. They decided to commit acts of violence and murder. He befriended her, comforted her, and led her into that alley. That's not a psychotic break, IMO.

 

[Eikon1990]

Although your right, his lawyers will probably still go with a mental health defence. They dont have much else. Witnesses can identify him as being the last person with Tess. He is on camera going into the alley with Tess and leaving alone. Forensics will be able to conclusively say Tess was strangled by another person. Case closed at that point. The judge can decide anywhere from 10-25 years before he is eligible for parole. His lawyers will try to get in the 10-15 year range by parading out a lot of people saying what a nice guy Kalen usually is and highlight the event in August where he came to another mans aid during an assault. They might try to say the violence of that event affected his mental health in the months following. I doubt he only gets 10 years but 15 is possible. He would only be 36.

 

[Tealgrove]

Why should he get any benefit of the doubt? Do you think Dellen Millard was mentally ill, too? Bruce McArthur?

None of these men have been or will be found "not criminally responsible". They decided to commit acts of violence and murder. He befriended her, comforted her, and led her into that alley. That's not a psychotic break.

BBM

He should get the benefit of doubt right now because he has not been proven guilty.

The original poster put forth an observation which is a valid observation which could be the case. It may not, but it is a theory.

We have no solid information on this young man, we hardly know anything about him. Why is your opinion right and the OP's opinion wrong?

We actually don't even have ALL the information of what happened that night.

I happen to think he's guilty, that's my opinion but maybe he is schizophrenic. How do you know he's not?

Just wanted to throw that out.

 

[Inspektor Clueso]

Not even sure that we will ever find out, maybe we will, but I wonder what KS's childhood was like? By all accounts, he is considerably YOUNG to have committed a violent crime that doesn't involve a gun. Death by strangulation is a very PERSONAL and sometimes quite a rage filled method of killing someone. "Personal" in that you have to get right up close to someone and strangle them.

I'm gonna guess we will discover quite the dark side of KS. While this was opportunistic, and while I can say he "snapped" in no way does "snapping" allude to describing mental illness FWIW. He could have had anger issues triggered by feeling rejected.

I'm wondering what his home life was like? Was he coddled? Spoiled? Not really paid much attention to? Was he given too much independence? No structure?

So many unanswered questions!

 

[Inspektor Clueso]

Although your right, his lawyers will probably still go with a mental health defence. They dont have much else. Witnesses can identify him as being the last person with Tess. He is on camera going into the alley with Tess and leaving alone. Forensics will be able to conclusively say Tess was strangled by another person. Case closed at that point. The judge can decide anywhere from 10-25 years before he is eligible for parole. His lawyers will try to get in the 10-15 year range by parading out a lot of people saying what a nice guy Kalen usually is and highlight the event in August where he came to another mans aid during an assault. They might try to say the violence of that event affected his mental health in the months following. I doubt he only gets 10 years but 15 is possible. He would only be 36.

So are you suggesting that perhaps someone was waiting in that alley, KS brings her to that alley, that person strangles Tess, and KS walks out alone?

My sincere apologies, but I'm just trying to make sense of your statement of ""Forensics will be able to conclusively say Tess was strangled by another person. "