Canada - Timothy Bosma, 32, Hamilton Ontario, 6 May 2013 - #5 **ARREST**

[Fire_and_Ice]

I hope I'm not repeating old ideas or info but here it goes.

Regarding WM's suicide. First I would assume that there would of been a period of anxiety, depression, withdrawing, emotional upset of some sorts even if he tried to keep it internal before taking his life. It sounds like he was in the middle of really moving forward with a BIG change in his company. That would take a lot of energy, clarity, strategy, planning and drive. It doesn't make sense to me to have all that going on and just kill yourself in the middle of it. (ie. someone who used to keep a clean house becomes depressed and family notes that now their house has been a complete disaster for months) He would of known that it would leave his son to deal with everything he was in the middle of. I know that suicide is said to be a selfish act but it doesn't make sense to me. DM lived with his dad, spoke highly of him in his obit, was his only son and he left him with such a huge mess to clean up? NOT ONLY THAT but he killed himself in the home he lived with DM in where the chances were pretty good that it would be his own son who would find the horrific scene? That is cruel at best and almost knowingly a horrible gesture towards his son. IF he did commit suicide. Also his age. I would think that with a lifetime of being a business man with stresses and ups and downs througout it all, with all the accomplishments and success in his life, that he would of been more secure in himself and thicker skinned at age 70 to endure whatever stress this new business deal would throw at him. Was he that emotionally unstable? Unless something major was going on that would stress out even the most seasoned of business men... or not. Maybe it doesn't make sense that he did himself in.

The report that DM and his small group of friends were very into social media... It seems they are very active in boating, racing, flying, in the car shop, chasing after toys (new cars, equipment etc.), vacations, partying etc. anything active. The "spending hours infront of a computer" profile just doesn't seem to fit into all those other very active and adrenaline seeking activities in their lifestyle. We've dug up stuff on them like social sites etc. but I wouldn't think that so much came up that it would be considered "very into social media" at all... quite the opposite actually so what is all this social media and what was it geared towards? Why is it so hidden that even sleuths haven't dug up anything THAT crazy or that would point to being "big into social media".

 

[Dushi]

Police have stated over and over again that Tim Bosma was a good, honest man
There is no reason for me to doubt that at all

Is there more to this story? IMO , yes.
Its all about the suspects though
Good upstanding citizens rarely venture out to rob, kidnap and murder someone.
I am certain we will hear of an unpleasant past as far as the suspects go

 

[Fire_and_Ice]

When this first came out, I was digging trying to find out all the initials of people this site used I came across quite a few posts and video clips on AM's FB page and mutual friends of AM and DM etc. that were "church mocking". There was a couple about prayer, another one of a scene from a show or movie making fun of the church etc. Just stuck out to me because I am religious and thought what is the point of that? and it's more than a couple times. If you aren't religious that's one thing but you have to be actually against it to be that interested in making fun and mocking IMO. TB was very well known to be part of the church community. Did TB realize he was in danger and utter a prayer or something religious to fuel the AGGRESSIVE nature of this crime. It was a murder yes but it seems so personal and violent the way it has ended up. I keep thinking of something someone wrote in the FB page saying something to the affect of when Tim died, he couldn't be touched by evil anymore. To me that was comforting because the minute his body died it was over... whatever happened after that to his body, could not affect TB anymore. AMEN for that.

The guy from Etob. that was the first test driver. He commented I believe, not only on the fact that the person who came to his home had an ambition tattoo, I believe it was said he commented that the person had a few tattoos but that is the one he could remember... the ambition on his wrist, also remembering that it had a box around it. The video of DM on the boat doesn't show a lot of tattoos. There is one of wording on his right side but that would of been covered by his shirt. There is one visible on his inner left arm but other than that I don't see anymore that would of been visible. I wouldn't describe him as of having "lots of tattoos."

What if DM didn't even really know the person he showed up to the houses with. <modsnip> sorry this was so long

 

[LoyalSleuth]

Was it said somewhere that DM's fiance / girlfriend was an escort? I am not sleuthing her, but looking for a connection between maybe something she did thru her "work" that may have lead DM to be enraged about a certain customer? Unknown to the customer of course.

 

[Dushi]

I know police have said they are looking for at least two more suspects

What I don't know is if police know who they are looking for
AFAIK, there has been no other names listed as POIs in this case

 

[Deucebag]

I think **** went down and someone killed his dad. Now the sebt was passed to DM. Whoever killed his dad wanted tim dead. Dellens only way to stay alive... Kill tim.

 

[Alice Ramnit]

I think **** went down and someone killed his dad. Now the sebt was passed to DM. Whoever killed his dad wanted tim dead. Dellens only way to stay alive... Kill tim.

Perhaps...but why TB?

 

[cansleuther]

Was it said somewhere that DM's fiance / girlfriend was an escort? I am not sleuthing her, but looking for a connection between maybe something she did thru her "work" that may have lead DM to be enraged about a certain customer? Unknown to the customer of course.

The website DirtyPhoneBook that her name is associated with does not necessarily have anything to do with prostitution - it's described as a "type of social network, where people can contact with each other, write anonymous comments, or possibly gossip about their colleagues, friends, ex-girls or boyfriends." Yes, prostitutes *could* advertise there, but basically it seems to be a thinly veiled slander/cyber-bullying site where a person can post any persons name, their phone number, and links to their social media profiles and anyone who views the site can call them, view their social media profiles and comment on their appearance, potentially even stalk them, etc. all while remaining completely anonymous. From what I've gathered from a quick search online, a lot of the people on DirtyPhoneBook are not there by personal choice.

 

[jash]

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The guy from Etob. that was the first test driver. He commented I believe, not only on the fact that the person who came to his home had an ambition tattoo, I believe it was said he commented that the person had a few tattoos but that is the one he could remember... the ambition on his wrist, also remembering that it had a box around it. The video of DM on the boat doesn't show a lot of tattoos. There is one of wording on his right side but that would of been covered by his shirt. There is one visible on his inner left arm but other than that I don't see anymore that would of been visible. I wouldn't describe him as of having "lots of tattoos."

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Snipped your quote for space. Besides the large one on his side, I believe DM has a small tattoo on each wrist, he has one on the inside left forearm, and he has the large Baja racing tattoo that he and AM both got together on the side of their upper arms (left arm for DM). When they did the first test drive, DM was wearing short sleeves, so three of these tattoos would be totally visible (especially with his hands on the steering wheel and the witness sitting next to him) and a fourth (the Baja one) partially visible.

As for the box around the word ambition, I remember someone on here posted some photos he/she had blown up of DM and felt that the box was added around September 2012 (I'm going off memory here so I could be wrong about timing). The photos were too blurry for me to make out but it's a possibility that at some point, for some reason, he decided to have a frame tattooed around the word.

 

[LoyalSleuth]

I think **** went down and someone killed his dad. Now the sebt was passed to DM. Whoever killed his dad wanted tim dead. Dellens only way to stay alive... Kill tim.

Interesting theory.

I really think Tim was an intended target, not just his truck. However I do not believe that Tim was aware of this, nor was he involved in anything shady. But He was tied to something, but I believe he was not in the know of this.

 

[dhz]

Interesting theory.

I really think Tim was an intended target, not just his truck. However I do not believe that Tim was aware of this, nor was he involved in anything shady. But He was tied to something, but I believe he was not in the know of this.

What about the other guy who had two men fitting the suspects description show up at his house wanting a test drive but he refused? Was the truck this other guy was selling the same model and make as TB's? if so, then the target is the truck or quite possibly a thrill kill. I don't know what to believe anymore, but this is definitely more then just a carjacking gone wrong.

 

[mollymae]

I think **** went down and someone killed his dad. Now the sebt was passed to DM. Whoever killed his dad wanted tim dead. Dellens only way to stay alive... Kill tim.

Sounds like a bad movie plot...

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

So are the 2 witnesses(1st truck seller and Mrs.B) who identified DM being kept safe? Usually any living witnesses lives would be in danger as they can identify the other perp. (the other potential supposed truck buyer) I find it strange Mr. Bosma or even his wife allow him to go for a test drive with 2 strangers sooo late at night and didn't either 1 of them question why the guys walked up not drove a car up the long drive way? Something IMO seems off. BE MORE CAREFUL people when selling online:twocents:

I wholeheartedly agree. Even if I was a man, I'd never in a million years agree to some stranger off of an online classifieds site coming to my home at that time of night to test drive my vehicle. Frankly I'd question WHY anyone would want to test drive any vehichle at night; there's so much you just wouldn't be able to see properly at night (condition of exterior, signs of rust, obvious issues under the hood, etc etc).

I'm thinking it's safe to say that TB wasn't desperate for money (and therefore desperate to sell the truck) so why did he agree to a test drive after 9pm when it's dark, and allow a stranger (he would have had no reason to assume the person he was speaking with would be bringing anyone else with him) to not only come to his home but take the test drive.

And if the 2 dudes showed up at his door wearing hoodies, that would be all the more reason you would think that TB would have been a bit leary about going with them.

I remember selling my sports car privately a few years ago. The type of car I was selling attracted a lot of young guys. I was not about to take any chances so I would only agree to meet them at my Dad's shop (in an industrial area) and one of my Dad's big burly employees would go with them on the test drive. When they wanted to take my car to their "buddy" who was a mechanic to check it out, I told them no way - but you're welcome to have your mechanic buddy come here to my Dad's shop (my Dad's a heavy duty mechanic) and check it out here. Suddenly not interested.

I hope that people, men included, will learn from this tragedy that one can never ever be too careful and selling anything through online classifieds requires being safe and cautious.

 

[Peace777]

Oh oh it's getting dangerous out there Hmmm http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/16/brazen-daylight-shooting-at-etobicoke-park

 

[NotColumbo]

I have to believe there is more to this than a simple need the truck, or motor etc., and also not likely a theft ring unless something went horribly wrong. If something went wrong he had the means to go and buy an incinerator. He doesn’t appear to have any financial troubles as;
1.) Appears to have a $800K farm in his own name with no mortgage
2.) He co-owned the house with his late father. Possibly now owns it all, or if his father had mortgaged it, he would have 50% equity and easily get a mortgage, or interest only line of credit.
3.) The Waterloo hanger would have cost at least $5-10Mill to build, it is possible his father had that mortgaged. The business was incorporated, and there are also other Holding corporations, so it would seem they are adverse at protecting assets.
4.) So even if his father had mortgaged everything to finance the MRO the son still has a networth of at least $1.2 Mill. Could easily come up with $500K on farm property regardless of credit history.
So to me possibilities are;
1.) Chop shop, something went wrong, but why make contact with the person in the 1st place? , 2007 Dodge, early 2007 Ram didn’t have FOB I don’t think, I had a 2007 Ram company truck and I am sure the key was just a regular key.
2.) Business/personal vendetta, love interest etc.
3.) Or the one I think makes most sense; drug importing/exporting, planted drugs on TB’s truck on one side of the border or the other, lost track of it, remembered it had a for sale sign on it, looked on auto trader/kijiji found 1st truck, was not the one, found the second one, and either the drugs were gone, or TB put up a fight, something didn’t go as planned, killed him, bought incinerator.
Who knows?? JMO

 

[FastLikeLight]

And if the 2 dudes showed up at his door wearing hoodies, that would be all the more reason you would think that TB would have been a bit leary about going with them.

That is a mystery to me too. After some long thoughts, imo, TB was physical fit and a brave man, maybe even with some martial training but not enough to resist at least two bastards.

 

[Ruski]

I think **** went down and someone killed his dad. Now the sebt was passed to DM. Whoever killed his dad wanted tim dead. Dellens only way to stay alive... Kill tim.

Good hollywood plot but highly unlikely to play out in real life.

If organized crime wanted to kill some people they wouldn't create such an elaborate plot and leave such a massive trail in the midst.

Ask yourself this:
1) Why not smash the victims cellphone and burn the pieces?

2) Why use the burner phone for anything except a call to the victim? Why not shut that phone off the moment you arrive at victims house, or bring it at all? Any semi-technical person or who has watched any crime TV/movies would know that that phone could be traced by the towers it hits.

3) Why leave damning evidence around your own properties?

So much here smells like amateur hour!

 

[kellybundy]

I find it horrible that people on twitter use "#timbosma" on all of their posts about very unrelated things just so that other people will read them. Esp. this "DamanyDONTFAKEdaFUNK" who keeps tweeting racist things and adding the hashtag timbosma. Ridiculous.

 

[KophyBeenz]

I don't think the whole thread has been a waste of time. There's been some very good information that's come out of this thread. That being said, people need to sleuth without compromising the work LE are doing. I think it's a tricky situation since LE has one person in custody, but there are at least 2 others still out there. At the end of the day, everyone is just trying to help

Yes my last post was a little huffy - sorry. I was becoming frustrated that people kept falling into that same fake sideline. I wish these forums were organized into more specific topics, so I wouldn't have to keep reading through all of the same information to try and find something new. I wish there was a separate thread for leads, where people can post things of interest without attaching their personal assessment of what it does or doesn't prove. Hard to spark new ideas when you're being fed a personal conclusion. This is just not what I expected sleuthing to be I guess, but I'm brand new to this kind of info sharing, it's kind of a culture shock. I'll get over it.

 

[EspressoBean]

I wholeheartedly agree. Even if I was a man, I'd never in a million years agree to some stranger off of an online classifieds site coming to my home at that time of night to test drive my vehicle. Frankly I'd question WHY anyone would want to test drive any vehichle at night; there's so much you just wouldn't be able to see properly at night (condition of exterior, signs of rust, obvious issues under the hood, etc etc).

I'm thinking it's safe to say that TB wasn't desperate for money (and therefore desperate to sell the truck) so why did he agree to a test drive after 9pm when it's dark, and allow a stranger (he would have had no reason to assume the person he was speaking with would be bringing anyone else with him) to not only come to his home but take the test drive.

And if the 2 dudes showed up at his door wearing hoodies, that would be all the more reason you would think that TB would have been a bit leary about going with them.

I hope that people, men included, will learn from this tragedy that one can never ever be too careful and selling anything through online classifieds requires being safe and cautious.

I think placing some fault on the victim isn't really helpful here. Being close to this community, most men I have spoken to, thought they would have done the same thing TB did. Remembering also, this is a rural community that is closely connected and assuming that others intend harm is just not the first thought.

I do hope it makes everyone think about their own safety differently in these circumstances as a result of this. 9pm is not that late. It is after people's children are in bed, work is done, a lot of people have down time and I am sure the property was fairly well lit or they could go to a more well lit area if lighting was a concern.
I am not sure we should be questioning the wisdom behind TB's decision making. And I am convinced without doubt that TB had no questionable involvement in all of this and that he did what most men in his circumstance would have done.