Casey and Family Psych Profile #11

[OneLostGrl]

MO. KC was very good at triangulation and played CA against GA. Now that KC is removed from her environment she is no longer successful in triangulation and CA and GA are more cohesive. I'm actually glad she chose not to have contact with her mother or father for a long time. She has not been able to play her parents against each other.

Triangulation is most commonly used to express a situation in which one family member will not communicate directly with another family member, but will communicate with a third family member, which can lead to the third family member becoming part of the triangle. The concept originated in the study of dysfunctional family systems, but can describe behaviors in other systems as well, including work.

Triangulation can also be used as a label for a form of "splitting" in which one person plays the third family member against one that he or she is upset about. This is playing the two people against each other, but usually the person doing the splitting, will also engage in character assassination, only with both parties.

Cindy sure seemed to play those games too imo.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Thursday, July 03, 2008 Current mood: http://x.myspace.com/images/blog/moods/iBrads/sad.gif distraught

She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?



THIS WAS CINDYS MYSPACE - SHE WAS REALLY HURTING

yeah it's a shame that she had to post that stuff online (kinda passive aggressive right there) and didn't just speak those words TO her child's face then DO something to change it.. long, long ago. If a person has no consequences, they have no fear of consequences.. if a person is never held accountable they never expect to be held accountable and do what they want to do as long as they are allowed to do it. Nobody can make you a victim without your consent.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I have a narcis. mother who triangulates with dad and other sibs. Crazy-making but I got out with my life. My family appeared to be perfect. I work on co-dependency and avoidance of nuts! CA makes me itchy all over.

Amen!!

 

[cuppy199]

There is something else to consider in this case that is pretty unique...there is no cause or manner of death. All the defense needs to accomplish is plant a tiny seed of reasonable doubt in one juror. I have not obsessively followed this case as most here have done. I was aware of the basics and probably knew more than the jurors know going in and I am in no way convinced that ICA is guilty of murder. I also believe that GA did molest ICA based on a couple of things. First, I think ICA's behavior fits with Borderline Personality Disorder (promiscuity, shopping sprees, lying, manipulation, splitting, coming across as callous, inappropriate emotional reactions, etc) and the main common denominator between people with BPD is childhood trauma, often sexual trauma. Second, I felt that GA's testimony came across as being evasive and dishonest in many instances. He broke eye contact when asked about the sexual abuse, looked down, used the "I did not" instead of "I didn't" and he had small facial changes that indicate he was lying. He also tried to avoid answering a lot of direct questions by attempting to give long and involved explanations that came across as him trying to confuse and muddle up his answer so that he essentially didn't really answer at all. What I saw of CA's testimony came across to me as being genuine and honest.

I don't think they will get a murder conviction. I'm not sure if they've included manslaughter or something similar, which I think they would probably convict on. Without a cause of death or manner of death I don't think they will find her guilty of murder. I also can't help but wonder if the defense might have grounds for a mistrial. In what I've watched I have found the judge to appear very biased against the defense when it comes to questioning GA. He also allowed GA to ramble and ramble instead of just answering the direct question. I'm admittedly not sure of whether something like that would be grounds or not. I just thought it was very obvious that the judge was being a bit unfair in that respect.

Profile of the Sociopath
Glibness and Superficial Charm


Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.


Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."


Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.


Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.


Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.


Incapacity for Love


Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal.


Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.


Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.


Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.


Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.


Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.


Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.


Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.



Other Related Qualities:

Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose
ICA behavior also fits a Sociopath behavior. Every behavior you just posted and much more applies to Sociopath . ICA has more of the characteristics of a Sociopath then BPD and I wouldn't be surprised if the psychiatrists the DT brought in to see ICA came to the same conclusion I did.

 

[Knot4u2no]

Just for clarification related to personality disorders and other diagnoses:

There is no typical type for any of the DSM-IV-TR personality disorders (American Psychiatric Association: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision. Washington, DC, American Psychiatric Association, 2000). All of the individuals with any given diagnosis of a personality disorder differ in many significant ways. If you have met someone with a diagnosis of any particular personality disorder, or know such an individual very well, or if you have such a diagnosis yourself, that does not mean you know anything in particular about anyone else with the same diagnosis. For example, for Antisocial Personality Disorder, in addition to other diagnostic considerations and qualifiers the person must meet at least 3 of 7 diagnostic criteria. There are 35 different ways to match 3 out of 7 diagnostic criteria, 35 different ways to match 4 out of 7, 21 different ways to match 5 out of 7, 7 different ways to match 6 out of 7, and one way to match 7 out of 7 – theoretically, a total of 99 different “types” of individuals that fall within the DSM-IV-TR™ diagnostic category of Antisocial Personality Disorder (301.7). Only one of these 99 would actually meet all seven diagnostic criteria. As I have posted previously: the DSM-IV-TR™ Personality Disorders are not equal in terms of the types of information used as a “diagnostic criteria” --- nor are they equal in terms of the number of available criteria that must be met in order for a diagnosis to be made --- nor are they equal in terms of the number and types of other qualifiers which must be taken into consideration in order to make a diagnosis. DSM-IV-TR™ is a categorical classification, but all members of a diagnostic class are not homogeneous, class boundaries are not clear, and there is significant overlap between “classifications.” Additionally, any given individual may meet the diagnostic criteria for more than one personality disorder, which is likely the case with Casey.

My personal opinions,
Russell

 

[countzero]

Thanks Russell,

You just made my head spin reading another one of your posts. :crazy:.

I agree with it and should say that I am by no means a professional in your field. I am, by blood choice, all to familiar with family members whos behaviors are eerily similar to the behaviors ICA and CA have displayed to the public in the past almost three years. So I tend to project my experiences and thoughts onto their behaviors. Only thing I can say is I will take the ones I have and be thankful I am not related to the Anthonys. I learned long ago their drama is theirs alone and I have the power not to be pulled into their self made drama. I hold them accountable, they do not hold or use me.

Thanks for all your input here, you have some great words of wisdom.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Thursday, July 03, 2008 Current mood: http://x.myspace.com/images/blog/moods/iBrads/sad.gif distraught

She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankful for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

THIS WAS CINDYS MYSPACE - SHE WAS REALLY HURTING

BBM above ~

Woke up this morning and this was on my mind. My husband just walked through the room and I commented, "I'm obsessed with this." His reply, "no s***." lol.

Passive-aggressive, triangulation are concepts mentioned in other posts above. These concepts have been rolling around in my brain.

Is Cindy being truthful now (as of six weeks ago) for truths sake or is this RETALIATION?

It's embedded in my mind that Cindy and George visited Casey in jail and told her that if she told - what?, I don't know - they wouldn't be upset or mad and
George told Casey that she is the boss. Did he mean that or was he only trying to pacify Casey?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

It's ironic that Cindy speaks of receiving unconditional love from Caylee yet, Cindy explains that she must withdraw her love from her daughter because she feels
betrayed by her. Cindy wants to receive unconditional love but she can't follow through with giving it - all expressed within the same paragraph in her MS entry.

News flash - most children love unconditionally yet they have to because they are needy yet will grow and become (or should imo) autonomous.
Unconditional love, in the true sense, is a conscious decision.

At trial yesterday Cindy expressed that she expected less from Lee that she had from Casey. :waitasec:

Cindy told Yuri that, if she could, she would build a wing on her house to keep her children nearby and under her wing.

Jesse told LE that he feels Cindy sabotaged any chance of Casey, Caylee and him forming an independent family.

IMO Casey was not ENCOURAGED (even stifled) to grow independently apart from her mother.
Combine that with the passive-aggressive approval factor and you have a bad combination for emotional growth.

How can people forget all of the above psychology just because Cindy sounds as if she's going to support the prosecution now?
If they pizz her off again, she'll shift to the other side AGAIN.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

One final thought for now before I take over the thread - wasn't there a sentence in Cindy's MS post expressing her concern over who was telling her the truth?
Wasn't she questioning if GA had been home on a given day?
If memory serves me, he told CA he was out all day yet Cindy seems to have her suspicions of whether or not that is true.

What happened to that part of Cindy's MS post?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Great point. If my granddaughter drowned in my pool it would be taken down immediately, never to be put up again. Period.

Yet Cindy has given interviews/tours of her house where she points out that she won't even wipe Caylee's little fingerprints off of her mirror - she can't clean the mirror for risk of taking Caylee's fingerprints off of it. The room remains exactly as it had been. Yet, at trial, she falls apart when looking at Caylee's picture? I don't get her.

That said, I know the pool would represent the weapon that killed Caylee, but we don't even know if Cindy knew (if true) that Caylee drowned there until further into the case. They are saying that GA and KC both knew.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

No, I believe nothing that comes from her mouth. You do though- so I figured if you heard her saying it you may not discount it as you do when it comes from grandma's mouth or George's or Lee's.

I'm with you OLG and herein lies my problem. For almost three years I've been listening to Cindy make excuses for Casey, claim there were no probs
regarding KC being away from home WITH CAYLEE between June 16 and July 15, but now that Casey has exposed her defense, all bets are off.

AS OF SIX WEEKS AGO, CINDY QUIT LOOKING FOR ZANNI.
Timing anyone?

For all I know, Cindy knows that she's known all along something and she's now only covering her own arse. Would she protect George? :crazy:
Remember TM has said repeatedly that he's never before witnessed a family with a missing child behave the way the Anthony's behaved.
TM's remark carries alot of weight imo. We witnessed their behavior for years on the news.

 

[Paulette]

Seriously, Aedyrs, we actually have no idea what Cindy did do, for and with ICA until Caylee was gone, except what we have heard 2nd hand or 3rd hand and generally speaking, originally from ICA.

The difficulty comes in either doing some research and deciding for yourself whether or not ICA is a sociopath. You can stick narcissistic on top of that if you like, but once you accept ICA fits the sociopath personality, then all forms of "teaching her responsibility, etc, etc. are off. It simply is not possible. Well you can try, but a sociopath does what they please when they please.
And there is no need to agree with me, but these discussions go back and forth, and we actually know very little at all about what we are insisting is "true".

If we are truly going to analyze the Anthony's family dynamics, we must set aside our own experiences and life beliefs and base our observations on the facts we can prove. It is not helpful to believe that because our experiences with our parents or family situation was x, y, and z, then that must apply to the Anthony's. I believe we have to acknowledge our own experiences and set them aside, and start on a clean slate if we are to understand what actually went on to climax with Caylee's murder.

For example, I had thirteen sets of "parents" besides my birth parents. If one of those sets of parents were similar to your parents, does that make our experiences "the same"? That's not even logical.

I am not a CA defender, but I am fascinated by family dynamics. And that's why I stand over in this corner saying :waitasec: , do we really know that "for sure'? And I say no, we don't. It might be our best guesstimate, but we don't "know".

I love that you said this: "but a sociopath does what they please when they please." When a socipoath is being disciplined, the lessons they take away are how to not get caught again and how to be a better liar. Without a moral conscience, their only fear is being caught.

 

[Baxter]

No matter what the abuse is - psychological or sexual (which I do not believe), there is no reason or excuse for killing ones child!

 

[Beatrice]

Borderline Personality Traits:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001931/

 

[chicklet]

Profile of the Sociopath
Glibness and Superficial Charm


Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.


Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."


Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.


Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.


Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.


Incapacity for Love


Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal.


Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.


Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.


Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.


Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.


Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.


Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.


Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.



Other Related Qualities:

Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose
ICA behavior also fits a Sociopath behavior. Every behavior you just posted and much more applies to Sociopath . ICA has more of the characteristics of a Sociopath then BPD and I wouldn't be surprised if the psychiatrists the DT brought in to see ICA came to the same conclusion I did.

I work with people who have mental illness and have considerable experience with virtually every mental illness, including personality disorders. I don't think ICA has Antisocial Personality Disorder. If she had that there would be a considerable history of violence, not just stealing. A sociopath is more likely to mug and beat someone to steal money than to sneak it from family and friends. ICA would also have shown signs of a Conduct Disorder as a child with onset prior to age 15. I haven't seen or heard any reports of ICA having a history of violent assaults at all and that would be present if she had Antisocial Personality Disorder. Keep in mind that I work with many people who have been diagnosed and are in treatment who are Sociopaths, a couple of Psychopaths, sex offenders, people with Borderline, Schizophrenia, Bipolar, Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Histrionic Personality Disorder and even one person with multiple personalities (Dissociative Identity Disorder). Based on what I know of mental illness and what I have seen/read about ICA I would say Borderline Personality Disorder or Bipolar (leaning more towards BPD) with Narcissistic traits. Other possibilities could include PTSD or some kind of anxiety disorder. Again...with Antisocial Personality Disorder there is always a significant history of violence against others.

 

[janice]

It's ironic that Cindy speaks of receiving unconditional love from Caylee yet, Cindy explains that she must withdraw her love from her daughter because she feels
betrayed by her. Cindy wants to receive unconditional love but she can't follow through with giving it - all expressed within the same paragraph in her MS entry.

News flash - most children love unconditionally yet they have to because they are needy yet will grow and become (or should imo) autonomous.
Unconditional love, in the true sense, is a conscious decision.

At trial yesterday Cindy expressed that she expected less from Lee that she had from Casey. :waitasec:

Cindy told Yuri that, if she could, she would build a wing on her house to keep her children nearby and under her wing.

Jesse told LE that he feels Cindy sabotaged any chance of Casey, Caylee and him forming an independent family.

IMO Casey was not ENCOURAGED (even stifled) to grow independently apart from her mother.
Combine that with the passive-aggressive approval factor and you have a bad combination for emotional growth.

How can people forget all of the above psychology just because Cindy sounds as if she's going to support the prosecution now?
If they pizz her off again, she'll shift to the other side AGAIN.

How many guys out there hate their mother-in-law? My daughter and her husband would never, ever come into my bedroom to watch TV or whatever, which is what he and Casey did in CAs and GAs bedroom. I don't blame her for being upset about it, especially when she asked them not to. Why would she even have to make such a request? They should have had enough respect not to do so. Maybe JG is not the best judge of CA.

 

[Knot4u2no]

Based on an inquiry by the Editor of the forensic psychology portal www.CrimsonShadows.net, I completed a BRACE Character Profile of Casey in September of 2008, before Caylee was found. The article was titled Profiling Casey. Since the links to the Profiling Casey article have changed a couple of times, I am posting the updated links here:

Introduction by the Editor:
http://crimsonshadows.net/content/view/168/140/

Casey’s BRACE Character Profile (09/21/2008):
http://crimsonshadows.net/content/view/168/140/1/1/

Addendum (09/22/2008):
http://crimsonshadows.net/content/view/168/140/1/2/

I might add that my opinions about Casey have not changed since 2008,
Russell

 

[Kat]

Thank you Russell. I appreciate the updated links. It is interesting to go back and read your conclusions now that we are significantly down the road to justice.

 

[Kat]

Just for clarification related to personality disorders and other diagnoses:

There is no typical type for any of the DSM-IV-TR personality disorders (American Psychiatric Association: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision. Washington, DC, American Psychiatric Association, 2000). All of the individuals with any given diagnosis of a personality disorder differ in many significant ways. If you have met someone with a diagnosis of any particular personality disorder, or know such an individual very well, or if you have such a diagnosis yourself, that does not mean you know anything in particular about anyone else with the same diagnosis. For example, for Antisocial Personality Disorder, in addition to other diagnostic considerations and qualifiers the person must meet at least 3 of 7 diagnostic criteria. There are 35 different ways to match 3 out of 7 diagnostic criteria, 35 different ways to match 4 out of 7, 21 different ways to match 5 out of 7, 7 different ways to match 6 out of 7, and one way to match 7 out of 7 – theoretically, a total of 99 different “types” of individuals that fall within the DSM-IV-TR™ diagnostic category of Antisocial Personality Disorder (301.7). Only one of these 99 would actually meet all seven diagnostic criteria. As I have posted previously: the DSM-IV-TR™ Personality Disorders are not equal in terms of the types of information used as a “diagnostic criteria” --- nor are they equal in terms of the number of available criteria that must be met in order for a diagnosis to be made --- nor are they equal in terms of the number and types of other qualifiers which must be taken into consideration in order to make a diagnosis. DSM-IV-TR™ is a categorical classification, but all members of a diagnostic class are not homogeneous, class boundaries are not clear, and there is significant overlap between “classifications.” Additionally, any given individual may meet the diagnostic criteria for more than one personality disorder, which is likely the case with Casey.

My personal opinions,
Russell

Bolded respectfully by me. Thank you.

Especially the last sentence I bolded. She can have more than one diagnosis of personality disorder and that's important to remember---it doesn't have to be just one.

 

[BritsKate]

Respectfully I disagree that a history of violence is always manifested or apparent in APD. ICA was only 22 years old at the time of the crime. We have no evidence of conduct disorder but we also have no evidence of self-harm either.

In my lay understanding of comorbidity some 'traits' may be more pervasive than others. Case in point - my ex did not become violent or aggressive until his 20's. He was tiny as an adolescent/young adult and usually fodder for bullies. He has been dx'd as APD/NPD.

Anyway - comorbidity. I find it unlikely ICA is any 'one' disorder but rather an overlapping of a few. There are striking similarities between the cluster b's but I tend to think NPD/APD and HPD...which could as much account for her promiscuity as being a sexual abuse survivor. I myself do not see BPD or bipolar but that's just my little lay opinion.