Casey & Family Psychological Profile #10

[ClockWatcher]

I found this little blurb recently and it really helped me with making sense of HOW the A family can say some of the things that they do. Hope this will help other poster's too!



MOTIVATED REASONING, this allows them to ignore contrary information and develop elaborate rationalizations based on faulty information.

INFERRED JUSTIFICATION, allows them to support something they believe in strongly by working backward to find and justify information supporting it.

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE, when they are presented with information that contradicts preexisting beliefs, they try to relieve the cognitive tension by responding to the information defensively, ignore the facts, or when all else fails, they discredit the sources.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

I always love it when this thread pops to the head of the class!!! It never ceases to amaze me just how loco this family is.....

 

[cecybeans]

Yep! And it is a key characteristic of several Axis Ii disorders-- BPD, NPD, APD.......

imo, both CA and KC show the BPD ability to "turn on a dime" emotionally, going from zero to sixty. A lot of people describe living with a BPD-type as "walking on eggshells" because of how quickly they can strike out when they feel threatened. They are also expert at manipulating things to cast blame on anyone but themselves. Very difficult to manage a relationship with one.

 

[Padua]

I've thought she was BPD. Always have and always will. JMO. MY OPNION ONLY DON'T GET ALL UPPITY IF YOU DON'T AGREE.

I don't take part in these discussions anymore because people get all weird if Casey's psych eval is brought up.

The only way I see the evaluation being part of the trial is if the psychologist takes the stand to defend his report. At least, this has been my experience when reporting my psych evals to judges.

Going back to work ----

Before I go back to work just wanted to say - I don't think CA's psychopathology is as severe as KC's. Remember, before all this happened she worked full time, made her own living, and was a productive member of society (tax payer, obeyed laws).

Now I'm really going back to work....I get no shows every day of the week but Monday! How does THAT happen?

 

[erynne936]

I found this little blurb recently and it really helped me with making sense of HOW the A family can say some of the things that they do. Hope this will help other poster's too!



MOTIVATED REASONING, this allows them to ignore contrary information and develop elaborate rationalizations based on faulty information.

INFERRED JUSTIFICATION, allows them to support something they believe in strongly by working backward to find and justify information supporting it.

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE, when they are presented with information that contradicts preexisting beliefs, they try to relieve the cognitive tension by responding to the information defensively, ignore the facts, or when all else fails, they discredit the sources.

interesting... where is this from please? like a poster above, i believe i have an NPD and a BPD in my family and i find this stuff so interesting. this describes these people to a tee. i'd be interested to read the rest. TIA.

 

[cecybeans]

I've thought she was BPD. Always have and always will. JMO. MY OPNION ONLY DON'T GET ALL UPPITY IF YOU DON'T AGREE.

I don't take part in these discussions anymore because people get all weird if Casey's psych eval is brought up.

The only way I see the evaluation being part of the trial is if the psychologist takes the stand to defend his report. At least, this has been my experience when reporting my psych evals to judges.

Going back to work ----

Before I go back to work just wanted to say - I don't think CA's psychopathology is as severe as KC's. Remember, before all this happened she worked full time, made her own living, and was a productive member of society (tax payer, obeyed laws).

Now I'm really going back to work....I get no shows every day of the week but Monday! How does THAT happen?

I'm thinking that any psych eval would just be used for mitigating factors (to neutralize the DP perhaps). Regardless, it's fascinating to look at each family member and search for trends that explain their behavior or responses, or help understand why they might react one way and not another.

It may be difficult to compare CA's psychopathology to KC's. She was raised in a different family environment, a different time period, and may not have been given the same ways out that she apparently afforded her daughter in terms of responsibility. I don't see SP enabling her the same way, for some reason; certainly not making the same kinds of excuses. There is also a social trend toward entitlement and avoiding independence amongst kids KC's age. I've been told UC Berkeley even has a class in the lengthening "gestation" period for young adults. It's like 26 is the new 20 and all that.

 

[cecybeans]

I found this little blurb recently and it really helped me with making sense of HOW the A family can say some of the things that they do. Hope this will help other poster's too!



MOTIVATED REASONING, this allows them to ignore contrary information and develop elaborate rationalizations based on faulty information.

INFERRED JUSTIFICATION, allows them to support something they believe in strongly by working backward to find and justify information supporting it.

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE, when they are presented with information that contradicts preexisting beliefs, they try to relieve the cognitive tension by responding to the information defensively, ignore the facts, or when all else fails, they discredit the sources.

it pretty much describes the defense strategy, too, imo...

 

[ClockWatcher]

interesting... where is this from please? like a poster above, i believe i have an NPD and a BPD in my family and i find this stuff so interesting. this describes these people to a tee. i'd be interested to read the rest. TIA.

Sorry erynne, I totally stole part of a post from the comment thread on the 9/12 Tea Party Protest thingie in Washington DC. The poster was commenting on how some of those protesters could believe in the the outlandish comments that they were displaying.

http://pubrecord.org/multimedia/5191/revealed-party-march-really-about/comment-page-1/#comment-636


I have been searching in vain trying to find more info, similar to what that person included in their post, but so far, no such luck. Maybe when Brini logs in, she may be able to recognize if it came from a text book or some other publication, or if it's just the original poster's educated comment.

 

[ClockWatcher]

it pretty much describes the defense strategy, too, imo...

No kidding! I wonder if cognitive disorders are a prerequisite for working with any Anthony family member?

 

[erynne936]

Sorry erynne, I totally stole part of a post from the comment thread on the 9/12 Tea Party Protest thingie in Washington DC. The poster was commenting on how some of those protesters could believe in the the outlandish comments that they were displaying.

http://pubrecord.org/multimedia/5191...1/#comment-636


I have been searching in vain trying to find more info, similar to what that person included in their post, but so far, no such luck. Maybe when Brini logs in, she may be able to recognize if it came from a text book or some other publication, or if it's just the original poster's educated comment.

thanks - i liked that video here is a little about it in wikipedia:
[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferred_justification[/ame]

it's funny when thinking of the A's that this definition even explains why one would do something in a "backward sort of way"!!

"INFERRED JUSTIFICATION, allows them to support something they believe in strongly by working backward to find and justify information supporting it."

 

[Padua]

I don't want to burst anyone's bubble here but the fact that the defense didn't hire their own psychologist to do an evaluation means the state's eval probably won't play that big of a part.

I have completed psych evals for judges (parenting evals, children's psych evals, juvenile sex offender evals)

I have also been hired by the defense to complete psych evals.

Just because she had one completed doesn't mean the defense will say - she's nuts she can't stand trial. Doubtful.

I think that may just be a movie misconception about psychologicals. I really don't think a lot of people really do understand what Psychologists do. We didn't spend 10 of thousands of dollars to complete school, complete research, and do a thesis just to be told we have no clue what we're talking about.

Sorry - I love talking about this stuff but every time a do at least one person pipes up and becomes negative. I don't mind discussing but I would like for people to back up their responses with research or data they have read withouth GOOGLING it. Its like when people come in with a google print out and try to explain their diagnosis with me like they know what they are talking about. I have a groan moment every time this occurs. Ugh.

And I'm not saying she's innocent. I just find it fascinating how these individuals function.

 

[Padua]

Diagnostic Criteria for 297.3 Shared Psychotic Disorder

A. A delusion develops in an individual in the context of a close relationship with another person(s), who has an already-established delusion (KC)
B. The delusion is similar in content to that of the person who alrady has the established delusion (Caylee is not dead, KC didn't do it)
C. The disturbance is not better accounted for by another Psychotic Disorder or a Mood Disorder With Psychotic Features and is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance or a general medical condition.

DSM - IV - TR p. 334

 

[ClockWatcher]

Diagnostic Criteria for 297.3 Shared Psychotic Disorder

A. A delusion develops in an individual in the context of a close relationship with another person(s), who has an already-established delusion (KC)
B. The delusion is similar in content to that of the person who alrady has the established delusion (Caylee is not dead, KC didn't do it)
C. The disturbance is not better accounted for by another Psychotic Disorder or a Mood Disorder With Psychotic Features and is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance or a general medical condition.

DSM - IV - TR p. 334

sounds like an psychiatric STD

 

[Padua]

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

sounds like an psychiatric STD

 

[OneLostGrl]

I don't want to burst anyone's bubble here but the fact that the defense didn't hire their own psychologist to do an evaluation means the state's eval probably won't play that big of a part.

I have completed psych evals for judges (parenting evals, children's psych evals, juvenile sex offender evals)

I have also been hired by the defense to complete psych evals.

Just because she had one completed doesn't mean the defense will say - she's nuts she can't stand trial. Doubtful.

I think that may just be a movie misconception about psychologicals. I really don't think a lot of people really do understand what Psychologists do. We didn't spend 10 of thousands of dollars to complete school, complete research, and do a thesis just to be told we have no clue what we're talking about.

Sorry - I love talking about this stuff but every time a do at least one person pipes up and becomes negative. I don't mind discussing but I would like for people to back up their responses with research or data they have read withouth GOOGLING it. Its like when people come in with a google print out and try to explain their diagnosis with me like they know what they are talking about. I have a groan moment every time this occurs. Ugh.

And I'm not saying she's innocent. I just find it fascinating how these individuals function.

Diagnostic Criteria for 297.3 Shared Psychotic Disorder

A. A delusion develops in an individual in the context of a close relationship with another person(s), who has an already-established delusion (KC)
B. The delusion is similar in content to that of the person who alrady has the established delusion (Caylee is not dead, KC didn't do it)
C. The disturbance is not better accounted for by another Psychotic Disorder or a Mood Disorder With Psychotic Features and is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance or a general medical condition.

DSM - IV - TR p. 334

Interesting.

 

[noonie]

She's a Scott Peterson!:furious::sick::banghead:

 

[TotallyObsessed]

You know...I was just thinking after seeing little Somer’s mother on the news this morning....that is raw, true emotion. More like how I would act if ever in that horrible, horrible situation. I have always thought that I could probably never even form a coherent word for media interviews if in that position.....

So compare that to the reactions of the As.....have we ever, ever seen CA shed a tear or plead for the killer to bring Caylee back (in the beginning?) Did KC??? NEVER

That is just very, very telling. Either this family is truly psycho, the whole bunch of them, or they knew from the get go.

 

[countzero]

You know...I was just thinking after seeing little Somer’s mother on the news this morning....that is raw, true emotion. More like how I would act if ever in that horrible, horrible situation. I have always thought that I could probably never even form a coherent word for media interviews if in that position.....

So compare that to the reactions of the As.....have we ever, ever seen CA shed a tear or plead for the killer to bring Caylee back (in the beginning?) Did KC??? NEVER

That is just very, very telling. Either this family is truly psycho, the whole bunch of them, or they knew from the get go.

I thought the same when I saw her interview. Total raw emotion. My heart just aches for the family.

bbm: Only tears I have seen displayed by either KC or CA is when they have poked their fingers in their eyes, then looked for the droplets to confirm "a" tear was displayed. Only raw emotion I have seen from either KC or CA is when they are caught in their web of lies and sheer hatred is spewed from their mouths. Jail video and JM deps are excellent examples of their raw emotions. Sheeze ..... get me a hanky ......... oh, they knew, CA knew .... GA/LA knew the evening of June 16, 08 and JB knew the day KC became his client and allegedly plucked down her one dollar, wrote out an IOU for $14K, and gave JB photos and evidence. THEY KNEW.

 

[lizzysf]

It will be interesting after she is finally found guilty. I think we will be hearing alot more written about the family's psychology. These people are certainly off the charts in dysfunctional family dynamics.
Cindy has joined the notorious ranks with:
Mrs. Peterson
Mrs. Ruth Coe (fascinating case of family dynamics which was also made into a movie called "Sins of the Mother". We will see a made for TV movie about the Anthony clan as well i'm sure) http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20060831&slug=sexpredator31m

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

This is all fascinating. You know, after reading the depos, I come back to a thought I had last fall. I still wonder if this was all set up. By the whole family. Hear me out. What do we really know about the background of GA and Ca and all? Some years back there was a case, in FL as it happens, where a woman had checked in a Disney Hotel (I think) and had her brother beat her up - really did hurt her. So she then said someone raped her/attacked her and of course was going to sue Disney, but, somehow they were found out. Well they were as it turned out Travelers, and I just have wondered if the Anthony's are. Maybe they just didn't see little Caylee as precious, they saw her as a way to pull a big scam and figured that Casey would be the sacrifical lamb, thinking they were all so clever she wouldn't do much time vs amount of money made. The more I read, the more that comes out, the more I wonder.