Casey seeing clergy in jail

[metalcrystal]

I love the picture from the bad seed lol

me too

 

[metalcrystal]

I had this friend a few years back who was just like Casey, she was a liar and a thief and she could charm the pants off of anyone, and she wasn't even cute like Casey. When things would go bad, like they always did and she got caught in her crap, she would start going to church and talk about how she was into Jesus now. Her parents totally bought this s**t and were happy, and the rest of us just watched while she would go screw over all the people she met at church. Just saying it was part of her scam.

 

[faefrost]

Casey is a sociopath. She has no conscience. This is a scam most probably concocted by Jose B. to get messages to the family. I do not believe that she is turning to religion in any way, shape or form.

I can't see any member of the clergy going along with any of JB's scams. KC is a well documented liar. And yes, in any clergymans eyes she is pretty much the definition of a troubled soul. But I don't think anyone of them, especially one with some familiarity with the prison populations will fall for her tricks.

It is also a grey area what a minister can and cannot convey to family in this type of situation. he cannot tell her family anything specific she told him in confidence. (such as what she did with Caylee). But he can comunicate his own observations regarding KC to a limited degree. (ie she is holding up well, reading alot and praying. She is losing weight, etc) As that would be part of his normal task of comforting relatives. LE will typically give clergy a fairly wide margin in these sorts of things. In large part because unlike the Lawyers, the Clergy do have a broad responsibility to the comunity, and not just the individual. So they are far less likely to abuse the privelege.

Not that I am saying that there is any real or legitimate reason for KC to be talking to clergy. She is just looking for attention and human contact. Her reaching for religion does not indicate she is about to break. She is a Sociopath. She is probably trying to figure out how to seduce the minister.

 

[Insomnia Momma]

I think he was there to minister but I also think he was there to pass messages to CA and GA.

Remember on the Today show interview that CA and GA did last week? They said JB told them Casey didn't want visits because she wanted them to focus on Caylee?! I thought that was fabulous, bust out Casey's lawyer for passing the family messages. Now, isn't that against code? They certainly don't want the recorded visits open to the public under the Sunshine Law, now do they? I swear I read that was against the rules that's why I was when I heard Cindy say that on National Television!

JMHO!


Girl DOES need a "Come to Jesus" moment. Heck, my kids get them for a little white lie, I can't imagine with something of this nature. As I've said before, my kids would more fear being in MY presence than in jail, even in general pop!

 

[sweetmop]

Criminal Profiler Says: Casey is Punishing Everyone
...Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said that there are signs to look for, which could signify Anthony is getting ready to talk.
"Look for her to turn to religion and either attempt to or speak of fleeing. When she gets to that point, she is most likely to talk about what really happened."

A link to the article for those who want to read it.
Personally, I think Casey takes visits from clergy just so someone will listen to her ridiculous tales and tell her she is loved.
:furious:

Thanks for finding this article nancy. I've read it a while back , and wanted to read it again when someone again referred to it in a post last night.

I was thinking about this case, and about Casey and how she should be feeling if she has even 1% of normalcy within her. She should be sick to her stomach, and asking herself , 'Why the heck did I do such a horrible thing to my beautiful child'?
She should be having difficult sleeping every night, and when she does fall to sleep, she should be having some horrific nightmares.
It seems she could see how serious this situation is and the entire picture for what it is. She's had several days now, alone and in her cell.
She is in jail for capital murder, not a bounced check! This is big stuff! Do you think she realizes the real gravity of the situation here?

Does she want to confess to cleanse her mind and her soul?

I hope the minister who visited her talked to her, and wasn't there to only listen to her for that 3 hour visit! 3 hours is a time for such a visit! Does anyone think the minister made an attempt to seriously discuss anything of the charges against her?
Do you think he was trying to save her soul?
Or was he there all that time to only listen to her lies and humor Casey?
A decent minister, it seems to me, would go to her with the idea of helping her and not to play into all of the lies as everyone else has in the family.
I only hope this minister was there to really do the right thing!

 

[concentric]

IMO, if Casey were truly repentant, she would confess to her crime before God and man. Then I might have some respect for her.

 

[Where's Andre]

IMO, if Casey were truly repentant, she would confess to her crime before God and man. Then I might have some respect for her.

Don't forget the squirrels-- she needs to confess to them too.

 

[Laece]

Link?

the link is to information found in my brain, which i cannot provide for you, since unfortunately there is no 'link' to fairly common knowledge. luckily, you can search just as well for the info on your own, or perhaps try more thoroughly re-reading the first post of this thread.

and to feddup: trust me, you aren't the only one who feels that way. many of us do.

 

[Janis396]

the link is to information found in my brain, which i cannot provide for you, since unfortunately there is no 'link' to fairly common knowledge. luckily, you can search just as well for the info on your own, or perhaps try more thoroughly re-reading the first post of this thread.

and to feddup: trust me, you aren't the only one who feels that way. many of us do.

I have read this thread, every post. There are a lot of conflicting opinions/statements about this issue, yours included. If you say something with certainty, as you did, you should be able to back it up. Unfortunately, just saying it comes from your brain isn't credible proof of what you're claiming.

 

[Laece]

IMO, if Casey were truly repentant, she would confess to her crime before God and man. Then I might have some respect for her.

that might be a good idea for a new thread if there isn't one. 'is there anything casey could do or say at this point that would make you respect, forgive, or even understand her...'

i do believe most people would say it's a lost cause, but maybe not.

 

[Laece]

I have read this thread, every post. There are a lot of conflicting opinions/statements about this issue, yours included. If you say something with certainty, as you did, you should be able to back it up. Unfortunately, just saying it comes from your brain isn't credible proof of what you're claiming.

sorry. not much i can do about things that i have learned throughout the years before computers were so prevalent and links were the only 'credible proof' of knowledge. the good thing about life is you can choose to take someone's word or find out for yourself. like i said, feel free to research it on your own.

p.s. if you stumble up on my criminal justice or corrections-related textbooks from 1999-2002 while searching for this missing link, please let me know. i'll make you cookies.
(i hate when things disappear due to moving.)

 

[Sassynic]

If Casey is turning to Jesus, then I need to go hunt down this article I read by a profiler that predicted this!

JMO, but i think she just wants someone to talk too. she is known for being very social and chatty...being in protective custody has to be making her desperate for some conversation. I doubt she is finding Jesus, at least not yet.

 

[Laece]

JMO, but i think she just wants someone to talk too. she is known for being very social and chatty...being in protective custody has to be making her desperate for some conversation. I doubt she is finding Jesus, at least not yet.

i thought i remembered her family going to church on sundays, but i don't know if it included her. still, that doesn't make her actions any less than motive-worthy.

also, it really isn't unusual for people to seek out religion in these cases, or for anyone in jail to do so, so i don't think a psychic really hit the nail on the head this time...

 

[Janis396]

sorry. not much i can do about things that i have learned throughout the years before computers were so prevalent and links were 'credible proof' of knowledge. the good thing about life is you can choose to take someone's word or find out for yourself. like i said, feel free to research it on your own.

I certainly won't post an opinion as fact, without being able to back it up.

 

[Sassynic]

i thought i remembered her family going to church on sundays, but i don't know if it included her. still, that doesn't make her actions any less than motive-worthy.

I grew up in a Catholic family with CCD classes and Mass every Sunday. Then went on to Catholic highschool where I graduated, but as an adult I am not part of the Church and I haven't been into any church in a great number of years. My point is that, even if her family is religious doesn't mean she is.

I do see your point about the motive-worthy.

 

[Laece]

I grew up in a Catholic family with CCD classes and Mass every Sunday. Then went on to Catholic highschool where I graduated, but as an adult I am not part of the Church and I haven't been into any church in a great number of years. My point is that, even if her family is religious doesn't mean she is.

I do see your point about the motive-worthy.

i hope you see my point, you just said exactly what i meant, lol, so we're on the same page. maybe the way i worded it came out wrong, but i agree completely with what you're saying. i don't think she's really 'finding' jesus'.

sometimes there is so much reaching by followers of this case that i feel the need to say 'this doesn't necessarily mean this...' just for clarity's sake. i am definitely not standing up for casey.

 

[Janis396]

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,954420,00.html

"A minister faces jail for refusing to testify

Ex-Policeman Earl Sands, Florida suspect accused of sexually abusing a six-year-old girl, surrendered last month to the pastor of a church he had attended; the pastor then accompanied Sands to the police station.

The prosecutor later subpoenaed the clergyman, John Mellish of the Margate Church of the Nazarene, and asked him to reveal what Sands might have told him.

Mellish, 32, the father of three sons, refused, invoking the right to confidentiality for conversations with someone he was counseling. Such a claim has normally been honored by judges in the U.S., but Mellish was sentenced to 60 days for contempt of court and spent one night in jail earlier this month. He is now free on bond while an appeals court reviews his case.

The minister's quandary results from growing public alarm over child abuse, which has led to numerous state laws requiring anyone who knows about such a crime to inform authorities. In at least 20 states, toughened child-abuse laws have eliminated the longstanding legal and societal recognition of the "clergy-penitent privilege." Mellish would face no legal trouble if the crime were murder or rape; clergy in Florida are forced to testify only concerning abuse of children, the aged and the handicapped. His jailing, however brief, has prompted united interreligious support, with Roman Catholic priests and Jewish rabbis joining Protestants to back Mellish's appeal."

I think what Casey did qualifies as "abuse of children".

 

[OneLostGrl]

I had this friend a few years back who was just like Casey, she was a liar and a thief and she could charm the pants off of anyone, and she wasn't even cute like Casey. When things would go bad, like they always did and she got caught in her crap, she would start going to church and talk about how she was into Jesus now. Her parents totally bought this s**t and were happy, and the rest of us just watched while she would go screw over all the people she met at church. Just saying it was part of her scam.

Friggin' borderlines..

 

[OneLostGrl]

Thanks for finding this article nancy. I've read it a while back , and wanted to read it again when someone again referred to it in a post last night.

I was thinking about this case, and about Casey and how she should be feeling if she has even 1% of normalcy within her. She should be sick to her stomach, and asking herself , 'Why the heck did I do such a horrible thing to my beautiful child'?
She should be having difficult sleeping every night, and when she does fall to sleep, she should be having some horrific nightmares.
It seems she could see how serious this situation is and the entire picture for what it is. She's had several days now, alone and in her cell.
She is in jail for capital murder, not a bounced check! This is big stuff! Do you think she realizes the real gravity of the situation here?

Does she want to confess to cleanse her mind and her soul?

I hope the minister who visited her talked to her, and wasn't there to only listen to her for that 3 hour visit! 3 hours is a time for such a visit! Does anyone think the minister made an attempt to seriously discuss anything of the charges against her?
Do you think he was trying to save her soul?
Or was he there all that time to only listen to her lies and humor Casey?
A decent minister, it seems to me, would go to her with the idea of helping her and not to play into all of the lies as everyone else has in the family.
I only hope this minister was there to really do the right thing!

this is a great post.

 

[Laece]

I certainly won't post an opinion as fact, without being able to back it up.

good! that's wonderful news. and good thing that personal knowledge isn't the same thing as 'opinion'. *phew*

i'll still make you cookies.