Casey's Reaction to Found Remains was Video Taped

[FootballMom]

Respectfully, she was taken to the clinic area of the jail to watch the news. While in the area, she observed the report discussing the finding of remains on Suburban Drive. After she observed that news, she complained of a panic attack and asked for medication.

*Snipped from this article:
"The day human remains were found in a wooded area near her family's home, Casey Anthony was taken to a medical unit at the Orange County Jail where she could see breaking news coverage of the discovery, Local 6 News has learned.According to Local 6 News, once detectives realized that the body likely belonged to Caylee, investigators developed a plan to capture Anthony's reaction on videotape.Anthony hyperventilated and requested medication after hearing the news of the discovery, according to documents released by authorities earlier this week."

Again... if she was taped in a common area (not treatment area) then no privacy laws were violated... I'm not trying to be argumentative or appear to be on KC's side, I am simply on the side of civil rights because I don't want a precedent set that could endanger the rights of others.

although.... if LE "had a plan to videotape her" then that might be considered entrapment especially if they were anticipating a medical event to occur as a result. (again, I have no sympathy for her so please don't consider me an advocate of KC)

 

[Oakley]

Again... if she was taped in a common area (not treatment area) then no privacy laws were violated... I'm not trying to be argumentative or appear to be on KC's side, I am simply on the side of civil rights because I don't want a precedent set that could endanger the rights of others.

although.... if LE "had a plan to videotape her" then that might be considered entrapment especially if they were anticipating a medical event to occur as a result. (again, I have no sympathy for her so please don't consider me an advocate of KC)

Here's my take on it: once a person has committed a crime, they lose some of the civil rights that the rest of us law abiding folks are privileged to have.

ETA: Now I know that incarcerated prisoners get far more perks and privileges than many regular citizens, which is a real bone of contention with me. Sorry for going O/T.

 

[elle1919]

Again... if she was taped in a common area (not treatment area) then no privacy laws were violated... I'm not trying to be argumentative or appear to be on KC's side, I am simply on the side of civil rights because I don't want a precedent set that could endanger the rights of others.

Hi Footballmom, I have been watching this thread since I read what you posted way back...lol. Not that it is funny but I knew you would be defending your position. For what it is worth I began to post a response to your post but decided not to because I felt is was futile to say the least. However, without going into great detail I will say that I agree with your position on the premise that it WOULD be a CIVIL RIGHTS violation if records....still photos or otherwise were released of the treatment Casey received AFTER watching the discovery of her daughters remains. I hate to say that because I believe wholeheartedly that Casey murdered her child and then danced on said childs beautiful memory due to her actions after June 16th.

Civil rights are very important and if we bend the rules in this case to witness Casey's reaction and draw joy from watching her in that moment then we all should be ashamed that the rights that so many Americans have died for will be violated. Now if LE or the states attorney's office can find a legal way to have this reaction become admissable then fine...But it is my personal opinion that the prosecution has more than enough evidence to get Casey convicted of First degree murder without this reaction video. More than Enough!

 

[FootballMom]

Hi Footballmom, I have been watching this thread since I read what you posted way back...lol. Not that it is funny but I knew you would be defending your position. For what it is worth I began to post a response to your post but decided not to because I felt is was futile to say the least. However, without going into great detail I will say that I agree with your position on the premise that it WOULD be a CIVIL RIGHTS violation if records....still photos or otherwise were released of the treatment Casey received AFTER watching the discovery of her daughters remains. I hate to say that because I believe wholeheartedly that Casey murdered her child and then danced on said childs beautiful memory due to her actions after June 16th.

Civil rights are very important and if we bend the rules in this case to witness Casey's reaction and draw joy from watching her in that moment then we all should be ashamed that the rights that so many Americans have died for will be violated. Now if LE or the states attorney's office can find a legal way to have this reaction become admissable then fine...But it is my personal opinion that the prosecution has more than enough evidence to get Casey convicted of First degree murder without this reaction video. More than Enough!

Yea! Someone finally agrees with me! Whew! Normally people only agree with me when I am in a "fry her at the stake" discussion. It gets challenging to defend the rights of all when you (along with the masses) wish that the rights of one person were not included - but if they weren't then we'd all be in a fix.

 

[elle1919]

Yea! Someone finally agrees with me! Whew! Normally people only agree with me when I am in a "fry her at the stake" discussion. It gets challenging to defend the rights of all when you (along with the masses) wish that the rights of one person were not included - but if they weren't then we'd all be in a fix.

we certainly would.

 

[Spangle]

I'm sorry... I googled, "reaction, panic attack, Jose Baez, sedative" and received thousands of returns one of which was from the WESH website; "When notified Thursday of the discovery of the remains, witnesses said Casey Anthony started sobbing and asked for a sedative".

not only am I unskilled at searching WS I am also terrible at posting links... Can anyone help me with providing Spangle a direct link to KC requesting a sedative?

IT's ok, you don't need a link. Cause it doesn't state where she was at when she made the requestion. Your looking for one that shows she had to be brought to the medical area, cause requested medical treatment.

All the reports today that I have seen, those early on and those later (where they could fix mistakes, etc) State she was all ready in the medical treatment area when she asked for medical treatment.

Not being picky, Im serious, if something else is out there, I'm all for it being listed.

as for copying a link.. look at the top of your browser. See where it starts out with a http:// You need to highlight and copy all of that. Then past it here. If you have problems wiht that, then list the name of the web site and the date of the article, etc. As much as you can, so someone else can google to pull up the one your talking about. Folks generally will help if they can.

 

[Oakley]

Let me be clear: I am not saying prisoners have no rights. It is not black and white: all rights or no rights. I am simply saying that some rights they would normally enjoy need to be compromised for justice to be served.

 

[ziggy]

Let me be clear: I am not saying prisoners have no rights. It is not black and white: all rights or no rights. I am simply saying that some rights they would normally enjoy need to be compromised for justice to be served.

I would completely agree but only for convicted prisoners. I think KC is guilty and will be convicted, but right now, she hasn't had her day in court, so those awaiting trial - I feel differently about them.

On the other had, HIPAA laws don't seem to apply here, well, it's a gray area for sure. The release of photos, etc. in the laws are to protect people who get naked for plastic surgery photos, among other very important medical photos, from having their pictures disseminated or used for marketing.

We have to be careful that we don't use the law that is constructed to protect a person's health status and treatment to protecting how they simply react to a situation while in jail for suspected murder. OK, so you might be able to make the argument, but that's not what the law was designed for, so to me, N/A.

 

[debs]

If there are prisoners in the day area watching television or whatever it is they're allowed to do, the jail has two options: move all those prisoners to their cells in order to allow Casey to watch the news, or take Casey to an area that is secured and without any other prisoners in there. The jail has stated that all prisoners are aware there are surveillance cameras everywhere. Just because the defense wants to spin it to suggest that someone was standing by with a camcorder doesn't make it true. Having escorted her to the sick bay to watch the news report and having her reaction videotaped are no violation of her civil rights. If she had been in the day area, she would have still been videotaped.

It is my firm belief that, being in the sick bay as she was, she took the opportunity to get some meds to while away the time. Nothing like being able to dope up while in jail.

 

[whiteangora]

Let me be clear: I am not saying prisoners have no rights. It is not black and white: all rights or no rights. I am simply saying that some rights they would normally enjoy need to be compromised for justice to be served.

Since it was a plan by LE to bring her to the clinic and set her down in front of a tv so she could watch the news and thus be recorded, I would hope that those implementing the plan would know beforehand what the HIPAA laws and any other laws would be.
Also, since Baez is fighting to keep this video from being released, it
sounds as though it was recorded within the legal boundaries.

 

[FootballMom]

IT's ok, you don't need a link. Cause it doesn't state where she was at when she made the requestion. Your looking for one that shows she had to be brought to the medical area, cause requested medical treatment.

All the reports today that I have seen, those early on and those later (where they could fix mistakes, etc) State she was all ready in the medical treatment area when she asked for medical treatment.

Not being picky, Im serious, if something else is out there, I'm all for it being listed.

as for copying a link.. look at the top of your browser. See where it starts out with a http:// You need to highlight and copy all of that. Then past it here. If you have problems wiht that, then list the name of the web site and the date of the article, etc. As much as you can, so someone else can google to pull up the one your talking about. Folks generally will help if they can.

COOL! I guess the new and improved WS now gives us the ability to cut and paste! There was a time when you had to go through a series of steps to provide links and it wasn't all that simple...

 

[Spangle]

COOL! I guess the new and improved WS now gives us the ability to cut and paste! There was a time when you had to go through a series of steps to provide links and it wasn't all that simple...

well, it wouldn't be 'clickable'. Where a person could just click on the link and a way they can go. But a person can copy what you post and put it in their browser and still get there. That is what I just did on a different thread and it worked.

But I see where I could have clicked on the earth on the 'replyl to thread' page and pasted the link there. That would have made it clickable. Me bad...

 

[Oakley]

Since it was a plan by LE to bring her to the clinic and set her down in front of a tv so she could watch the news and thus be recorded, I would hope that those implementing the plan would know beforehand what the HIPAA laws and any other laws would be.
Also, since Baez is fighting to keep this video from being released, it
sounds as though it was recorded within the legal boundaries.

I don't doubt for a minute that LE (and JB) knows what they are doing is fully legal.

 

[Spangle]

Yea! Someone finally agrees with me! Whew! Normally people only agree with me when I am in a "fry her at the stake" discussion. It gets challenging to defend the rights of all when you (along with the masses) wish that the rights of one person were not included - but if they weren't then we'd all be in a fix.

Sorry you were made to feel that way. I have seen threads that have gone just as you said and have dealt with that myself. But in this situation and for me, it had nothing to do with Casey.

I think there is a misunderstanding about the Hippa rules. IT's one of the reasons I asked you for a link to where you heard she went to the clinic for medical treatment. If she was filmed in the process of getting treatment, then it might have enacted. I wanted to know.

But like I said, the Hippa isn't enacted just because it's medical room or because medical personal is present. That should apply whither we are talking about Casey or anyone else.

I don't see this as a defend or bash Casey issue. I see it as discussing technical details and learning what the law is and how it applies. I certainly didn't mean to make you feel like that is what you needed to do.

 

[Jade]

It is my firm belief that, being in the sick bay as she was, she took the opportunity to get some meds to while away the time. Nothing like being able to dope up while in jail.

Respectfully snipped. I totally agree!

Asked for medication?!

Oh please, how long has she been planning to have an excuse to get a little somethin’ to take the edge off?

Who thinks of asking for medication when your child’s body has just been recovered?

What do you want to bet that she has used hyperventilating before? Easily faked I know because when I was young I used to get spanked and I would dramatically go into a hyperventilation fake out.

IMO

 

[Spangle]

I don't doubt for a minute that LE (and JB) knows what they are doing is fully legal.

Just because it was legal, doesn't mean it needs to be entered on record and released to the public.

If it is needed in the case.. then sure. Other wise, what is the point?

Don't get me wrong, i'm just as nosey as the next person and can't wait to see it. Snort! But seriously, if it's not needed in the case, then it shouldn't be filed.

Then again, JB seems to think that everything the LE come up wtih in this case, he should have a copy of. Which means putting it on record and all of us getting to see it....

 

[Spangle]

Respectfully snipped. I totally agree!

Asked for medication?!

Oh please, how long has she been planning to have an excuse to get a little somethin’ to take the edge off?

Who thinks of asking for medication when your child’s body has just been recovered?

What do you want to bet that she has used hyperventilating before? Easily faked I know because when I was young I used to get spanked and I would dramatically go into a hyperventilation fake out.

IMO

How do you do that?? I really want to learn that trick. I've heard of mothers pulling that stund to get their kids to mind ... I could use a new trick... LOL!

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

This really got my attention, too:

"The motion also alleges that law enforcement officials leaked information to the media and that the video shows Anthony’s consciousness of guilt."

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/022709Motion_filed_to_prevent_release_of_clinic_video

Now I'm really eager to see not only the clinic video but to read this motion, as well. How can a video show her consciousness of guilt without admitting that there is guilt to show?

Another well-thought-out motion? Or am I misunderstanding? :waitasec:

 

[FootballMom]

Sorry you were made to feel that way. I have seen threads that have gone just as you said and have dealt with that myself. But in this situation and for me, it had nothing to do with Casey.

I think there is a misunderstanding about the Hippa rules. IT's one of the reasons I asked you for a link to where you heard she went to the clinic for medical treatment. If she was filmed in the process of getting treatment, then it might have enacted. I wanted to know.

But like I said, the Hippa isn't enacted just because it's medical room or because medical personal is present. That should apply whither we are talking about Casey or anyone else.

I don't see this as a defend or bash Casey issue. I see it as discussing technical details and learning what the law is and how it applies. I certainly didn't mean to make you feel like that is what you needed to do.

Oh no... not at all.... I totally understood where you were coming from it was not at all defensive. I wear big girl panties and love a good debate. I will walk away though if people become rabid because that is not constructive... I've seen it happen too many times here and will not engage in those discussions.

It was my understanding from what I read that she was "in the clinic" when she was taped and if she was taped in the room where she was receiving treatment then HIPAA could apply. If she was taped waiting to go into to the clinic then that is clearly another story. I think we will just have to wait to see exactly where she was when the tape was made in order to determine whether or not her civil rights were violated.

I love & trust LE but in the heat of the moment it is possible that the jail officials might have become over zealous in their desire to tape and that certainly could cause a problem.

HIPAA is very, very strict... I'd consider myself well read on the subject from helping my SO study for his medical boards for hours on end.... and add to that my mother was in the hospital for a month from Dec - Jan. The hospital admin would not tell people if she was even at the hospital when they called. Not even the nurses that took care of her for a month knew that she had passed away after we moved her to ICU. They were shocked when I came to pick up her things from her room.

 

[tasylshari]

opcorn: can't wait to see the drama myself!