Caylee Anthony Drowned In Family Pool Theory

[magiemay]

I hope that the SA plays the jail tape for the jury where GA visits and he tells KC she is the boss that she can get things to happen and they all have to do as she says,how he keeps telling her as soon as they find Caylee everything else will fall into place. Sure did not sound like a man trying to cover up a drowning or any accident. To me it did not sound like he was privy to any of the info of where caylee was nor that he was aware of any thing bad having happened to her. I still go back to you can't make this stuff up !!!

 

[BigFatMommyDog]

Can anyone reconcile all this with the ping maps for that day. This confuses me. ICA's phone pings nowhere near the Anthony house and Ping 15 for that day (8:46 am - 11:47 am) shows her being 9 minutes away by car.

hinkey meter understanding cell phone

 

[tasylshari]

Casey drowned in the pool theory?

why the duct tape?
why sit almost 3 years before admitting to this "innocent accident"?
why put her in the trunk?
why the computer searches for chloroform, etc?
why have your lawyer pin it on your father, mother, brother and poor innocent human being that found your babies remains and should be commended and counselled rather than targeted?
Why, ICA????? because you are sociopathic filth, that's why.

I have always been on the fence about the drowning for a few reasons, but I always come back to premeditated murder for more reasons than this. The DT opening stmts today just solidified my initial, instinctual thoughts: ICA murdered her baby to have 31 days of Bella Sustained Vita. And it is sustained, indeed.

 

[tasylshari]

Baez left so many craters today, and here is one:

Why take the time and enegy to discredit the cadaver dog when you are pushing for a drown in the pool theory????

I don't care to hear him smirk about how he wishes he could speak with Gerus.....wth are you trying to have this evidence tossed when you actually WANT it in????

 

[6stringer]

Thirty one days. That was all I needed to know. No Nancy Grace, no Sunshine Law.

31 days and no call to report her darling 2 year old missing. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it isnt a turkey. JMO.

really? I must admit the 31 days is what caught my attention to begin with, but I could hardly convict anybody and send them to lethal injection without more facts than that. yes, that issue is very eye opening and serious in itself, but hardly enough evidence to convict on in my opinion. and oh yes, add to that LOTS of other things that raise eyebrows, but still nothing that could not have doubt.

this will def be interesting, JB started out strong, but quickly fell short. inexperience is def visible. if thats all he has, than "ICA" doesnt stand a chance

 

[tasylshari]

really? I must admit the 31 days is what caught my attention to begin with, but I could hardly convict anybody and send them to lethal injection without more facts than that. yes, that issue is very eye opening and serious in itself, but hardly enough evidence to convict on in my opinion. and oh yes, add to that LOTS of other things that raise eyebrows, but still nothing that could not have doubt.

this will def be interesting, JB started out strong, but quickly fell short. inexperience is def visible. if thats all he has, than "ICA" doesnt stand a chance

Red by me. IMHO that's all he has. ICA has never stood a chance because she chose to do what she did. She doesn't deserve to stand a chance and no blubbering, stammering, inexperienced wanna-be is ever going to change this fact. At least he got his name out there, right?

FIN.

 

[shgrbkr]

I'm still trying to figure out what KC could possibly have needed the shovel for?? I don't believe for a minute that KC was digging up bamboo. Just cannot reconcile the need for the shovel with a drowning, subsequent cover up. In the words of JB: "We may never know."

 

[Baxter]

there are several things in this case that make you back step. internet searches being the biggest for me.

how one cries, or copes is not one of them. (my opinion).

It doesn't bother you, that she is about to throw her entire family under the bus?

Who laughs at their parents grief, while in jail?

 

[kathyn2]

I always thought perhaps Caylee died by accident, altho not by the pool but more from ICA drugging her and ODing her. The duct tape shows it was no accident or drowning. Even tho I thought it may be some sort of accident, after todays DT lies I am convinced she murdered her with premeditation and she is completely evil to throw her dad under the bus and everyone else she can think of. DT knew they really couldn't throw Cindy under the bus much because of the 911 calls are so horrifying. So its dad they thru under the bus to explain ICAs lies. I have news for them. sexually abused people don't lie like her!! They may hide their abuse but they don't lie and kill. GA had no reason to hide an accident re of being afraid of Cindy.

 

[Adrienne37]

It doesn't bother you, that she is about to throw her entire family under the bus?

Who laughs at their parents grief, while in jail?

or tells her brother that calling them was a waste, a huge waste.

 

[nerdy]

The problem I have with accidents of any variety is all ICA's partying afterwards. As someone myself who is no stranger to having been partying and drunk - it usually leads to pouring your heart out without thinking. In vino veritas.

You can't convince me for a nanosecond that if anyone was forcing her to cover - or if she was covering her own negligence - that there was not ONE MOMENT she got drunk and poured out her guilty conscience to say - her boyfriend? No, ICA was done with Caylee. It didn't bother her at all. She never slipped up because she carried no burden on her conscience.

 

[Amil]

Accidental drowning or kidnapping.....this can never explain why ICA deleted her daughter's photos from her laptop.

 

[krimekat]

Can anyone reconcile all this with the ping maps for that day. This confuses me. ICA's phone pings nowhere near the Anthony house and Ping 15 for that day (8:46 am - 11:47 am) shows her being 9 minutes away by car.

what day?

 

[Never4GetCaylee]

I've been thinking about this all day and I just cannot understand why JB convoluted the accident story by putting George in it. I can see some jurors believing a scared 22 year old panicking after discovering her daughter drowned in the swimming pool. Not saying that is what happened, but I can see making it into a somewhat believable story to promote reasonable doubt. But putting George in the story just doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't he call 911? Report it as an accident? Why would he dispose of the body on his own and not well enough not to be found by a meter reader? Casey motives for covering it up could be made believable, but not George. He said "Why didn't George call 911?" "We'll never know." So why even put him in the story to begin with???

 

[Wescott]

I've been thinking about this all day and I just cannot understand why JB convoluted the accident story by putting George in it. I can see some jurors believing a scared 22 year old panicking after discovering her daughter drowned in the swimming pool. Not saying that is what happened, but I can see making it into a somewhat believable story to promote reasonable doubt. But putting George in the story just doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't he call 911? Report it as an accident? Why would he dispose of the body on his own and not well enough not to be found by a meter reader? Casey motives for covering it up could be made believable, but not George. He said "Why didn't George call 911?" "We'll never know." So why even put him in the story to begin with???

Respectfully BBM

I want to know why he just didn't ask him? He had him on the stand, its a simple question. He also didn't ask george if he abused ica. I think george will most definately be back on the stand and I am waiting to see if baez or mason will question him as I think baez was pathetically inept today with his questions.

 

[Chiquita71]

:twocents: (from my notes)

I thought I had transcribed the whole GVS interview, but I was mistaken.

(notes)
As early as July 15th, late at night rolling into the 16th( YM is stating that Cindy called and left a message) Cindy and George "brainstorming" the gate being open and the ladder up at pool.

GA: My wife and I were brainstorming. Uh, all(inaudible) to our insight and I said, there's got to be more to this mess. She said, "George do you remember that day I found the ladder down and also the gate? I says, yeah.
(end snip)

GVS: Now, I know you won't reveal the details, but can you just tell me, has Casey told you what happened to that child?
CA: Yes. In her way. And I can't reveal that.
GVS: But in her way, so that I mean, I know George that it was at least reported that you came out the other day and said that Casey said that Caylee was close, which is you know, rather vague. Is that, is that the kind of information that Cindy, you have or do you have like, specific information that satisfies you?
CA: She just feels that Caylee's close, shes still safe.
(end snip)

CA: They are saying Caylee drown in the pool.
KC: Surprise, surprise.
(end snip)

Okay defense, Caylee drown in the pool. Will Casey agree to this? What about Zanny?

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Sorry to bump my own post but I thought it was interesting in light of today's opening statements by the defense.

 

[Chiquita71]

I think this interview took place on July 31, 1008. I have to check this because the written transcript is not dated as it was transcribed initially from an Audio interview. (Interview was conducted on July 31, 2008 per post No. 72/official docs. thread.)

Page 39 of transcript

GA says the 24th is gas can day
he was last in the shed the 22nd, Sunday, the 22nd early afternoon.

Around 10:30AM on the 24th shed doors open and gas was gone.
Called Sheriff's Dept.

Later the same day he met CA at bank to deposit stimulus check. Got back home around 2:25 or 2:30PM. 4:30-5:00PM garage door goes up - KC comes in the house.


Pg. 43, line 21 - KC says 'here's your F'ing cans'.

GA says he calls CA later.

Pg. 78 - GA - um, is my daughter not telling the truth? Yeah she knows a lot more than what's going on. Has she just completely blanked this out or she just trying to cover up something that might've went wrong? It's possible.

SB - Yeah.

GA - Hell no my wife and I had that, this scenario walking around our pool. We have an above ground pool at our house. It might have been the second or third day that our daughter was gone after all this stuff started getting, getting out about our daughter. My wife and I just walked down by our pool and she said, George, remember the day that I called you at work. And I asking you why you left the gate open, why you left the ladder on the pool? I said, number one is, I don't leave the gate open. 'Cause we have two Yorkies we let out.

SB - Uh-huh (Affirmative)

GA - Whenever someone's home. And I said, the ladder that's instantaneous we been taking it off since our.. granddaughter has been swimming with us.

SB - Right.

GA - And we're always very... we take that off.

SB - (Inaudible)...

GA - and we set it to the side. There's no way that my granddaughter can put it back up to get in the pool. 'Cause the pool's almost five feet tall. It's five feet off the ground at least. Four and a half... forty-eight inches I'm sorry.

SB - Uh-huh. (Affirmative)

GA - So, um, my wife says, well George what if this happened? What if for some reason Caylee came back. 'Cause Caylee loved to swim and she'd be tapping me on the forehead at 7 o'clock in the morning, JoJo swim, JoJo swim. And.. we thought about that scenario. Did for some reason she get out, 'cause she can open up the sliding glass door. She can open up the other door I mean she can just take off and go. Did she climb up, did she fall in when my daughter might've been.. had her back to her outside or inside? I don't know. That's the scenario that we ... we even passed it onto um ...

SB - The detectives

..... beginning here they go onto discuss other scenarios and then on
line 17, page 81 (pdf 18) GA brings back the topic of the pool and says,

GA - Okay. To expand upon this scenario we just talked about, about the pool.

SB - Uh-huh (Affirmative)

GA - That's something my wife and I talked about, brought to detectives.

SB - Okay.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20224404.pdf Pt. 1

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0730/20224422.pdf Pt. 2

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:tyou: Woe.be.gone :takeabow:

So much work went into everyone's posts, for me it is time for those labors to bear fruit. I am glad the mods kept to the idea of separate threads. It does make it so much easier to find the information. :rocker:

ETA:
CINDY RESPONDS TO DROWNING THEORY
http://www.wftv.com/video/17137073/index.html

:cow:

 

[Chiquita71]

Baez left so many craters today, and here is one:

Why take the time and enegy to discredit the cadaver dog when you are pushing for a drown in the pool theory????

I don't care to hear him smirk about how he wishes he could speak with Gerus.....wth are you trying to have this evidence tossed when you actually WANT it in????

RespectfullyQuoted tasylshari :cool2:
BBM

Thank you for your post. You have sparked me to remember what it is about Jose's opening statements that bothered me the most. He made points that contradicted his own points.

Kathi B. asked Bill Sheaffer if the defense will later say, "hey he was just spinning" and Bill Sheaffer said yes Jose will lose credibility with the jury and once it is gone you cannot get it back. He also said that if the jury(for whatever reason) remains unaware of what Jose said that (paraphrased) does not make sense: LDB is taking those notes and will point out each time to the jury where Jose made a promise/statement and then the opposite was true.

They will see that Jose is lying. The jury will have it pointed out to them where Jose has made his spin. :rocker:

I wonder what those jurors will think when they can truly compare the case made by the state and the case made by the defense? That is the part where all the holes in what Jose had to say in opening statements and through out the trial will look like a mess. I personally do not think any of the jurors could find anything reasonable about it.

One more thing Bill Sheaffer said, that he had always said this was not a death penalty case but after hearing the LDB lay it out like that, he has changed his mind.

http://www.wftv.com/video/28007546/index.html
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[Never4GetCaylee]

I loved the part when JB said that Cindy told YM about the ladder being out by the pool and JB doesn't understand why this wasn't investigated. He said the police didn't look into it, didn't do any forensics, nothing. But why would they??? YOUR client told them Caylee was kidnapped by the nanny...why in the world would they do forensics on, I don't even know what, the pool ladder? Silly YM probably assumed if Caylee accidently drowned in the family pool someone would surely call 911, so better to go with the nanny kidnapped her like her own mother was telling him.

 

[gngr~snap]

No CPR or 911 call? All I can come up with is Caylee was already in rigor mortis, this wwoild make GA and or ICA guilty of neglect. Simply because it would have taken several hours. Still makes no sense why ICA could party on. I don't believe GA was there, and I really don't believe Caylee drowned ~ just throwing that out there.