Cindy & George on TODAY SHOW 10/22/08

[Lanie]

Sometimes people take an unpopular stance on subjects not because they believe in them, but because they simply like to argue the points. This does keep the pot stirred. At times, it is a good thing because it does allow us to see all points of view from different angles. Other times, it causes deeper conflicts.

I try to see the victims' side of cases. They are the ones with no voices. They are the ones who have lost the most. Caylee was the victim here. She continues to be victimized by the person who was supposed to love her the most. It is tragic and horrific that in 2 short years this little girl's life went from a bubbling baby into a murder trial.

It makes me angry that this case has not been about Caylee because of the people involved. It makes me so sad to think that her little body could have been found on July 15th, 2008 and laid to rest with dignity and some grace left. This has been taken from her. She has been left wherever she is to save the person who LE says killed her.

No one can bring Caylee back, but someone can bring Caylee home. I pray TES finds her soon and she will no longer be victimized by people only wanting to gain something from her death.

I totally agree.
I also want to add, I am sick, I mean really sick, of these so-called parents offing their children and expecting to get away with it. And I'm not going to apologize for how I feel about this, I also have no use for anyone who would attempt to aide and abet these child-killers, I DON'T CARE WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP TO THEM IS.
IMO, that is exactly what Cindy and George are doing, so no, don't expect me to feel sorry for them. I did, back when they just didn't want to admit Caylee was dead. Now that they have chosen to do whatever they can to impede the investigation just to protect their precious child-killer daughter at the expense of a helpless 2-year-old child whose body is out there somewhere only her OWN MOTHER knows where, I couldn't care less what they are feeling anymore.
Lanie

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I understand their denial. They have PI's saying they're close to finding her and likely giving them tidbits of info that keep their hope alive. Casey continues to say she didn't kill her and JB is probably telling them LE doesn't have what they insinuate they have.
If I were Caylee's GP's I would lean towards the side that tells me she's alive too.

It's simple, let LE put them out of their misery and show them the definitive proof that Caylee's dead. Let an FBI forensic's guy explain the evidence and how it proves she's dead.

I would need that. I would wonder why they didn't just charge her with murder instead of doing it in a 'secret' grand jury meeting that I couldn't be in. I would wonder why the police raided a home on a Caylee 'tip' after they said she was likely dead. I would wonder why they would say on TV that the evidence indicates she's dead but they don't say what tests or what they revealed. And I would talk to my daughter, liar or not and try to verify whatever she told me.
And I wouldn't care who was condemning me for believing she was alive if there was a 1% chance that she were alive.
I know the evidence indicates and she probably is dead, but can't believe it 100% until I hear the facts on the forensic evidence.

If their evidence is that strong, it shouldn't hurt to put it out there along with everything else they've thrown out there.

I'm at work & didn't spell check.

LE DID tell them. You can count on that. If LE showed them the tests, they would not understand them from a scientific point of view. They KNOW she is dead. They KNEW she was dead when they smelled her decaying body in that car.

LE did not "raid" a house so to speak but did investigate, just like they investigated all the credible leads. The problem is from listening in court is the only leads seem to be coming from CA. They can't go on wild goose chases all over the country on what CA said.

Look at LE's position............the have not been able to get the truth out of KC or CA on anything. To keep following CA's leads would be a HUGE WASTE of taxpayer's money.

According to the Anthony's GA has been following these people and their PI's have all these things available but NONE of this is ever turned over to LE. That to me says none of them are credible and maybe even made up. I have noticed the PI's have not even acknowledged they are on this case. All of it may be lies.

They will get all the scientific information any day now when it is released to the defense............they may already have it. Do you honestly think that will change their actions? I don't.

 

[lizzysf]

I totally agree.
I also want to add, I am sick, I mean really sick, of these so-called parents offing their children and expecting to get away with it. And I'm not going to apologize for how I feel about this, I also have no use for anyone who would attempt to aide and abet these child-killers, I DON'T CARE WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP TO THEM IS.
IMO, that is exactly what Cindy and George are doing, so no, don't expect me to feel sorry for them. I did, back when they just didn't want to admit Caylee was dead. Now that they have chosen to do whatever they can to impede the investigation just to protect their precious child-killer daughter at the expense of a helpless 2-year-old child whose body is out there somewhere only her OWN MOTHER knows where, I couldn't care less what they are feeling anymore.
Lanie

You GO girl! Ditto!

 

[sweetwater]

The mods have said talking about the A's misuse of donations is off limits because it is UNFOUNDED.

Evidence of financial hardship does not mean the A's are misappropriating donation money- as you did very strongly imply.

I completely disagree..
I see absolutely nothing in Turbo's statement, either implied or indicated, that would lead to your interpretation and assumption.

 

[DazzlinDebSD]

I understand their denial. They have PI's saying they're close to finding her and likely giving them tidbits of info that keep their hope alive. Casey continues to say she didn't kill her and JB is probably telling them LE doesn't have what they insinuate they have.
If I were Caylee's GP's I would lean towards the side that tells me she's alive too.

It's simple, let LE put them out of their misery and show them the definitive proof that Caylee's dead. Let an FBI forensic's guy explain the evidence and how it proves she's dead.

I would need that. I would wonder why they didn't just charge her with murder instead of doing it in a 'secret' grand jury meeting that I couldn't be in. I would wonder why the police raided a home on a Caylee 'tip' after they said she was likely dead. I would wonder why they would say on TV that the evidence indicates she's dead but they don't say what tests or what they revealed. And I would talk to my daughter, liar or not and try to verify whatever she told me.
And I wouldn't care who was condemning me for believing she was alive if there was a 1% chance that she were alive.
I know the evidence indicates and she probably is dead, but can't believe it 100% until I hear the facts on the forensic evidence.

If their evidence is that strong, it shouldn't hurt to put it out there along with everything else they've thrown out there.

I'm at work & didn't spell check.

I've had so many mixed emotions about this case. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. After seeing this video and reading your post I now understand why Cindy and George feel the way they do about finding Caylee. I now understand why Mr. Duckett and the rest of the parents and Grandparents out there never give up hope.

My friends son has been missing for over two years. The police wrote him off as a suicide, but there is no body and no evidence of that. The police took a few statements from the kids he was with and never questioned them again. We will continue to search for him until the day he is recovered. http://www.joepichlermissing.com/3med.html

 

[joint-heir]

I'm reading here recently and have been on a different board, and I want to commend all of you for being able to state your opinions on two views of the Anthonys without killing the poster with opposite views!!!! I do understand both, but must say I lean to the side of the evidence. Our emotions are such an intricate part of us!! I feel compassion for the Anthonys, but then I also logically get very frustrated with their actions..I cannot understand their lying and switching the truths about their daughter in mid stream. Emotions in a mother-daughter relationship are very complicated. But Cindy should stop and look at what she knew (felt) before about her daughter and connect this up with the evidence. I lost a daughter at the age of 41. It was over, quickly. And I had to face facts that hurt but the taking of blame could have caused a lot of guilt feelings and stretched the hurt out over a much longer time with many others caught up in it. I realize every situation is different and different strengths and weaknesses in us all make for different reactions. Mine was private between me and the Lord, not published on the front page. But I still agree that they need to stay out of public eye. I feel the lawyers are partly to blame for telling them they have to change the public view of their daughter if they do not want the death penalty.(my opinion) I do feel for them, but they also could have garnished the sympathy of a whole lot more people with truthful actions. Just did want to commend you all for stating both sides so well...

 

[lizzysf]

Seriously. I couldn't imagine having to clear out 2 bedrooms of people you loved and cared for at the same time. I pray I never have to go through anything like that!

Agree. But lying for Casey to prevent that is not acceptable. I do feel sad for all of them, but you reap what you sow.

 

[JMCDAD]

I bolded this statement. It's one that bothers me the most.

WTF is so beautiful about Casey's life while her daughter is missing???

Even more twisted is that she got that tattoo after she killed Caylee!! WTH is so beautiful about that???

(Not yelling at you JMCDAD.. lol. Just had to get the obvious out there. You made a great post).

Thanks appreciate that :crazy:
Actually the TAT really bothers me too
Do we know what conversation surrounded that, like does anyone know if she spoke to anyone, friends, people at the Tat parlor etc, as to why she was getting it at the time.....

 

[joint-heir]

I was wondering, how long does the pros. have to hand over evidence to the defense lawyers now that the charges on murder 1 have been made?

 

[whiteangora]

I understand their denial. They have PI's saying they're close to finding her and likely giving them tidbits of info that keep their hope alive. Casey continues to say she didn't kill her and JB is probably telling them LE doesn't have what they insinuate they have.
If I were Caylee's GP's I would lean towards the side that tells me she's alive too.

It's simple, let LE put them out of their misery and show them the definitive proof that Caylee's dead. Let an FBI forensic's guy explain the evidence and how it proves she's dead.

I would need that. I would wonder why they didn't just charge her with murder instead of doing it in a 'secret' grand jury meeting that I couldn't be in. I would wonder why the police raided a home on a Caylee 'tip' after they said she was likely dead. I would wonder why they would say on TV that the evidence indicates she's dead but they don't say what tests or what they revealed. And I would talk to my daughter, liar or not and try to verify whatever she told me.
And I wouldn't care who was condemning me for believing she was alive if there was a 1% chance that she were alive.
I know the evidence indicates and she probably is dead, but can't believe it 100% until I hear the facts on the forensic evidence.

If their evidence is that strong, it shouldn't hurt to put it out there along with everything else they've thrown out there.

I'm at work & didn't spell check.

To elaborate on your message,

The Grand Jury Indictment is necessary for a Capital Murder Case in Florida

The raided home on the Caylee tip was done before all forensic evidence was back and revealed that Caylee is dead.

The prosecutor is not going to let everyone see how much strong evidence he has until it is absolutely necessary. But enough evidence has shown Caylee is deceased. The sooner the GPs come to grips with the truth the better for all involved.

IMO, the PIs working for the Anthonys are giving them false hope for obvious reasons.

As for Casey's statements about not killing her daughter, well, she had an imaginary job and nanny for 2 years, nuff said.

JB naturally is going to say the state has no case, what do you expect him to say, "Hey everybody, my client killed her daughter but she is still innocent"?

 

[Mom of Five]

I guess it's just that I disagree about calling that "lying." I firmly believe they think Caylee is alive, and I won't fault them for that, because deep down part of me WANTS to believe that also.

It's easy for me, though, to look at the evidence and decide that KC did, in fact, kill Caylee, but I don't think it's that easy for the people who held her little hand and loved her as a family member. Saying she is alive, IMO, is not a "lie" for the GP's, but a way of coping. Grieving takes a LONG time for some people, and there is no guideline for how it plays out.

That being said, I've said countless times that they NEED to stop doing these interviews.

I absolutely do not believe them, they have referred to Caylee in the past tense and spend the majority of their public time defending their monster intead of pleading for their grandaughter or even giving out the tip line. They are lying in order to gain sympathy and plant seeds of doubt, and it's working. All you have to do is read this thread and you can see that they are having success, so they will continue. It's the only way to save their monster from death or life in prison.

 

[Mom of Five]

:clap::clap:

I don't see it as bashing. I see it as holding them accountable for their actions. When people lie and try to manipulate the public, they need to be scrutinized for all their inconsistencies. We could make an entire thread of all the things they have told which have turned out to be lies or twisting the information to put KC in a better light.

One which keeps jumping out at me was when CA was on Greta and downright lied about the dogs not making any conclusive hits in the backyard. That one just floored me because they have evidence tags all over some areas of that yard and took 5 gallon buckets of dirt with them.

When ANYONE would lie like that on national TV, not another word they say is not scrutinzed by me. See, I am different than the Anthonys who let KC lie to them for years, I don't take someone at their word EVER again once they lie to me.

They KNEW she was a habitual liar, but they condoned her lies because they went along knowing they were lies.....That is what got them in the position they are in today.......

They are doing the same thing now in my opinion and personally I don't believe a word they say.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[shannon718]

Thanks appreciate that :crazy:
Actually the TAT really bothers me too
Do we know what conversation surrounded that, like does anyone know if she spoke to anyone, friends, people at the Tat parlor etc, as to why she was getting it at the time.....

It has been said that Casey said she got it in "honor" of her daughter.

 

[Karate Dad]

GA and KC are ALWAYS chewing gum.

KC was smacking on gum while being escorted to the jail/after GJ hearing.

Umm You know, Um you know.... They have to keep chewing the Casey flavored Kool-Aid gum Um You know!!!!!!!!! God I am soooo over George and Cindy

 

[Celt1997]

I absolutely do not believe them, they have referred to Caylee in the past tense and spend the majority of their public time defending their monster intead of pleading for their grandaughter or even giving out the tip line. They are lying in order to gain sympathy and plant seeds of doubt, and it's working. All you have to do is read this thread and you can see that they are having success, so they will continue. It's the only way to save their monster from death or life in prison.

(My bolding)

I don't know if it is working in the sense you think it is. Please don't confuse my "WANT" and "HOPE" for Caylee to be alive with me "BELIEVING" Caylee is alive because of what the A's say. I actually don't believe Caylee is alive, and I DO believe that KC killed her...but I certainly don't want myself to abandon all hope of a miracle. And that all comes from my heart, not anything the A's have said or done.

 

[joint-heir]

Does anyone have a picture of the most recent tattoo that Casey got? Or anyone know what it would look like? I've heard "Bella Vida", but anyone know of a tatto that would be similar?

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Of course the fact that the photographer said they were taken AFTER means nothing to Cindy - everyone else lies, but never Casey. If you look at other pics of Casey, she had VERY different hair styles. Her current style is fairly recent so the pictures must be fairly recent.

EVERYONE else is to blame. The photographer lied; LE lied; the scientific tests lie; the neighbor lied; KC's friends lied; Jesse lied (but passed a polygraph) Tim lied;the press lied; the searchers lied; the body lied; the smell lied; the tow yard man lied; the boyfriend lied; Amy lied; the club owner lied; Universal lied; the computer forensics lied; the pizza man lied.

EVERYONE LIES - EVERYONE DIES (from KC's own web site)

I believe a 5 year old could figure out who the liars are from just these few statements alone.

 

[lizzysf]

I absolutely do not believe them, they have referred to Caylee in the past tense and spend the majority of their public time defending their monster intead of pleading for their grandaughter or even giving out the tip line. They are lying in order to gain sympathy and plant seeds of doubt, and it's working. All you have to do is read this thread and you can see that they are having success, so they will continue. It's the only way to save their monster from death or life in prison.

It worries me too. Baez and the Anthony's spins on the truth to create doubt. Some people are just more prone to falling under the spell of this hocus-pocus.

 

[Mom of Five]

Perhaps they did the show to get out the tipline and Meridith instead asked the questions VIEWERS wanted to hear asked? Perhaps the interview was over before either GA or CA knew what happened.

I know the Today Show had them on for one reason only....ratings!

If she was going to ask the questions that viewers wanted she would have asked who the dead body in the car was, and why did the two of you tell LE that you felt your monster wasn't being truthful, I could go on and on.
She didn't even begin to skim the surface of what we wanted to know and George was able to get his kidfinder plug in there.

 

[Linda7NJ]

You can't have "unconscious" denial and make up lies to fit only certain stories. It is a contradiction. You would have to acknowledge the truth in order to lie about it.

It's not a lie...it's grasping at straws