Cindy's (draft?) email to Casey--computer forensics report

[wenwe4]

Me thinks we are straying abit..but regarding this..and knowing how Cindy and George operate..Didnt George try and find Casey's Car, ..by using some sort of coordinates of the ..yikes the term escapes me (Sometimers strikes again:floorlaugh the thingy that ya have in your car to get charged on toll roads??..I seem to recall Georgy telling the story about tracking that car??..
Anyway, Cindy and George spent all those 30 dayz trying to locate Casey...just never did...too bad they didnt use their front door more often and would have found that notice of "Registered Letter" sooner :banghead:

bbm

epass?

 

[Just Jayla]

I found it to be a huge red flag that Cindy was requesting "pictures of Caylee." When my daughter (16) is off somewhere for several hours and I want to make sure she is really where she says she is, I often ask for a cell phone picture as proof. IMO Cindy wanted a picture of Caylee to prove she was alive.

Now we're laying down a foundation-As I was just noting in another thread, CA told the FBI she did not go into TL's apartment to look for Caylee because she smelled smoke and knew Caylee would not be in a smoky apartment.

Like I am sure you would with your 16 year old, if I had to go find my teen and was lead to an apartment where the smell of cigs or weed was wafting into the hall, yet being fairly sure my daughter would not be around drugs, I don't see myself throwing my hands in the air and saying to myself, "Well, she must not be there cause it smells like weed"....I'd go in and check!

Either CA was so naive that her children could get away with murder (pun intended) and CA would be duped, or she knew that Caylee was not there because she suspected, due to the smell in the car and possible threats by KC, that Caylee was not there and not okay. If she thought Caylee was alive and well and with KC, she would have gone in, or at the very least she would not have said something so nonsensical to the FBI.

I don't think CA is that naive. How the heck does she know for sure whether or not KC would allow Caylee around smoke? Cause the known liar told her so?

 

[Purple Iris]

It seems to me that she would have gone out of her way to place the body somewhere very hidden and far away from home (given her history of in-depth scheming in coverups r/t her 'job' with the fake emails and such, all her stories..she seemed to go to extremes) For me, the choice of the woods, on top the ground near home is inconsistent. It doesn't add up for me as a lazy choice. I have always thought it was a quick dump in a panic for some reason. I think she was avoiding opening that trunk and dealing with her decomposing daughters body and only did it when she felt she had no choice but to do it. Something happened that day that forced her to act quickly, I think.

Also, the fact that she left the body in the trunk for so long rather than disposing of the body right away tells me her denial runs as deep as CA's.. they just don't deal with reality, and avoiding reality eventually ends in an obviously big mess to deal with. A common trait between the two.

I always felt that she dumped Caylee there the day that George talked to her about the gas cans.

I do not think that he "talked" to her at all, at least according to the story that he tells.
Knowing her the way they did, why even ask knowing ahead that she would probably lie about it to begin with.
Just wait til she goes to her bedroom, and walk out to the driveway and check her trunk yourself.
If there's nothing there, no harm, no foul, no fight.

But, if Casey came out of her bedroom, and found George gone, and runs outside ~
He either saw something in the trunk, or smelled something.
And, my guess would also be that when she tore out of there, he went into house and got his keys to follow her, "that day", as opposed to the story he gave chase to her on a differant day.

With the few minutes to spare, she drives up to the school where it is a dead end, and gives George time to turn in the opposite direction.
She then leaves, is on the right side of the road of where Caylee was found, parks the car and leaves it running, dumps Caylee and takes off.

George is ahead of her all the time without knowing it, giving her also the time to loose him.
JMO.

Course, with that time frame, of the days, and the police report of June 23-24, then, the 2.8 days of decomp doesn't work ~
Unless she had her somewhere else, like in that disturbed area of the backyard by the pool??

We know that the trueth lays with at least one of the Anthony's, possibly, all of them, but, we'll never hear it, IMO.

 

[AdoraBlue]

Why would GA being home or not be important? Did KC tell CA that Geo was home on whatever day they are talking about here? CA writes that KC calls at times she knows CA won't be home. Could KC have said she called one day when Geo was home (but never really did)?

BBM

I have always thought that KC said she saw or talked to GA at the house at this time to cover up the fact that she had been in the house during this time frame. CA probably found evidence of KC being in the Anthony home and KC tried to fob it off on GA, since she was supposed to be out-of-town with the Zanny/Jeff/etc. posse.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I found it to be a huge red flag that Cindy was requesting "pictures of Caylee." When my daughter (16) is off somewhere for several hours and I want to make sure she is really where she says she is, I often ask for a cell phone picture as proof. IMO Cindy wanted a picture of Caylee to prove she was alive.

And according to Cindy, Casey was always taking pictures of Caylee. Do we remember when Casey deleted all of Caylee's pictures? I wonder if Cindy noticed this too? Didn't Casey basically erase Caylee from her "internet" life?

 

[RR0004]

But, you would think that Cindy could have called up to Universal Studios and Universal could have gotten a hold of Casey because they would know which event Casey was assigned to... and she did have a phone provided to her from Universal.

Cindy could have also asked to speak to someone when she was at Universal on July 3rd. All she would have to say is that there was a family emergency and she hadn't seen her daughter or her granddaughter in weeks and would like to know when the last time Casey worked. It's not like Cindy didn't know how to lie... she wouldn't even have to say anything about not seeing Casey and Caylee for weeks, all she would have to do is say that there was a family emergency and she needed to get a hold of her daughter who worked for them.

They knew Casey wasn't working...why else would George take off and try to follow her?

 

[RR0004]

Now we're laying down a foundation-As I was just noting in another thread, CA told the FBI she did not go into TL's apartment to look for Caylee because she smelled smoke and knew Caylee would not be in a smoky apartment.

Like I am sure you would with your 16 year old, if I had to go find my teen and was lead to an apartment where the smell of cigs or weed was wafting into the hall, yet being fairly sure my daughter would not be around drugs, I don't see myself throwing my hands in the air and saying to myself, "Well, she must not be there cause it smells like weed"....I'd go in and check!

Either CA was so naive that her children could get away with murder (pun intended) and CA would be duped, or she knew that Caylee was not there because she suspected, due to the smell in the car and possible threats by KC, that Caylee was not there and not okay. If she thought Caylee was alive and well and with KC, she would have gone in, or at the very least she would not have said something so nonsensical to the FBI.

I don't think CA is that naive. How the heck does she know for sure whether or not KC would allow Caylee around smoke? Cause the known liar told her so?

IMO, Cindy was staying out of sight because she knew Casey didn't want to see her.

 

[Itsy]

I found it to be a huge red flag that Cindy was requesting "pictures of Caylee." When my daughter (16) is off somewhere for several hours and I want to make sure she is really where she says she is, I often ask for a cell phone picture as proof. IMO Cindy wanted a picture of Caylee to prove she was alive.

BBM - I thought the same exact thing when I read those statements...
I think we all pretty much agree that C & G knew Caylee was gone when they found the car and they certainly knew Casey was alive.

 

[Scamperoo]

And according to Cindy, Casey was always taking pictures of Caylee. Do we remember when Casey deleted all of Caylee's pictures? I wonder if Cindy noticed this too? Didn't Casey basically erase Caylee from her "internet" life?

They knew Casey wasn't working...why else would George take off and try to follow her?

What is also strange about that "alleged incident" is that Cindy said it never happened or she had no knowledge of the event. Apart from George saying this happened, there is no evidence he chased anyone.

 

[katydid23]

Why would GA being home or not be important? Did KC tell CA that Geo was home on whatever day they are talking about here? CA writes that KC calls at times she knows CA won't be home. Could KC have said she called one day when Geo was home (but never really did)?


[BBM]

Are you still with Jeff? --- traveling with or in relationship with?

Are you going back to work? Not being at work - why?

I find this interesting - I've tried not to bug you to death... still haven't gotten to see pictures of Caylee or talk to her... sounds like KCs story is she has gone off WITH Jeff for the past month.

YES. There is another indication that she was telling her mom that she was seeing Jeff from work in one of the jailhouse visits. [ I think that is when it is--maybe someone else remembers this convo too]

Cindy asks Casey something like " where is that Tiffany heart ring that Jeff gave you?" Casey shrugs and says IDK.

But when I heard that little gem I realized that Casey was pretending that she and Jeff Hopkins were dating. She flaunted that info in front of her mom because mom knew Jeff from school as he was in Lee's class. So Casey had this whole fantasy scenario that Jeff, the single dad, and co-worker at Universal, bought her one of those silver Tiffany heart rings that you get when you go steady. Unreal.

And she continued with this fantasy storyline when she told LE that he was the one who introduced her to Zanny. :liar::liar::liar:


ETA; I wonder who she stole that Tiffany jewelry from?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N77WhWSs7E[/ame]

HERE IS THE VIDEO OF THE INTERCHANGE ^^^^^

 

[Just Jayla]

IMO, Cindy was staying out of sight because she knew Casey didn't want to see her.

I agree with that aspect as well and it seems like CA...though I know many of us find that ridiculous if we apply it to our own lives-If it involved our children or grandchildren and an abandoned car that smelled like death, we would knock the door over and drag them out by their hair if we had to. What could KC do? Jump off the balcony and take off? Once AH got her to open the door, CA should have burst around the corner like SWAT and straight into the apartment. Yet, more Anthony games.

However, let's cut to the chase-The police should have been there accompanying CA at TL's, seeing as she just found a car that smelled like human decomp, seeing as GA knew he should not even have left the tow lot with the car (as he stated in his FBI interview) without knowing what that smell was-To quote CA, "If you weren't where you said you were, how do I know where Caylee really is?" CA had attempted to contact ZFG, only to get KC's friends on the line.

She should have been through that apartment like a bull in a china shop. The Special Agents wondered the same thing and CA told them the story about the ciggy smoke. Why not just tell the FBI you were hiding and you did not go in because you felt silly, or like it would be trespassing, etc...? Or, tell them you are scared of your daughter and scared of the events of the day thus far? Scared that if you are there when she opens the door and you embarrass her in front of TL, you will never find Caylee cause your daughter is a spiteful bizitch...Oh yeah, cause the FBI would have deduced the same things we have...in fact, that seems to be what they were getting at.

This woman, CA, is in front of them telling them about all of these lies, a smelly car, her daughter not being where she reported being, CA is painting a picture to the FBI of someone they would see as highly suspect and possibly dangerous, even without having met her. But where there's smoke, there's no Caylee? Huh?

 

[RR0004]

What is also strange about that "alleged incident" is that Cindy said it never happened or she had no knowledge of the event. Apart from George saying this happened, there is no evidence he chased anyone.

...and IIRC, George later stated he was wrong with the dates...but never disputed his actions.

 

[RR0004]

I agree with that aspect as well and it seems like CA...though I know many of us find that ridiculous if we apply it to our own lives-If it involved our children or grandchildren and an abandoned car that smelled like death, we would knock the door over and drag them out by their hair if we had to. What could KC do? Jump off the balcony and take off? Once AH got her to open the door, CA should have burst around the corner like SWAT and straight into the apartment. Yet, more Anthony games.

However, let's cut to the chase-The police should have been there accompanying CA at TL's, seeing as she just found a car that smelled like human decomp, seeing as GA knew he should not even have left the tow lot with the car (as he stated in his FBI interview) without knowing what that smell was-To quote CA, "If you weren't where you said you were, how do I know where Caylee really is?" CA had attempted to contact ZFG, only to get KC's friends on the line.

She should have been through that apartment like a bull in a china shop. The Special Agents wondered the same thing and CA told them the story about the ciggy smoke. Why not just tell the FBI you were hiding and you did not go in because you felt silly, or like it would be trespassing, etc...? Or, tell them you are scared of your daughter and scared of the events of the day thus far? Scared that if you are there when she opens the door and you embarrass her in front of TL, you will never find Caylee cause your daughter is a spiteful bizitch...Oh yeah, cause the FBI would have deduced the same things we have...in fact, that seems to be what they were getting at.

This woman, CA, is in front of them telling them about all of these lies, a smelly car, her daughter not being where she reported being, CA is painting a picture to the FBI of someone they would see as highly suspect and possibly dangerous, even without having met her. But where there's smoke, there's no Caylee? Huh?

Brilliant post!!

I'm believing more and more that there were actual threats made to keep Cindy away from Caylee forever. Think about what Casey told the officer about Cindy wanting custody, what her friends told Cindy about her being overbearing, about her using Caylee to get pretty much whatever she wanted...which in my heart of hearts explains how she got away with so much for so long. I think the straw(s) that broke the camel's back were the "guys" in Casey's life. Both George and Cindy were too quick right from the getgo to blame her "new friends" on her unusual (cough, cough) behavior.

 

[RR0004]

Reading this thread, relative to the email drafted/sent on July 14 to KC, the day before they picked up KC's vehicle, but a day AFTER having found the delivery notice on their front door ........... brought forth a thought.

Anytime I have received a registered/certified mail notice, it has ALWAYS included the SENDER'S name (see PS form 3849, http://www.tpub.com/content/administration/14317/css/14317_151.htm) ........ surely they were curious regarding this notice, considering their daughter and g/daughter had been gone "for over a month!"

The A's claimed they were unable to go to PO on the 14th due to work, consequently, the letter was claimed on the 15th & we are all aware of what supposedly occurred thereafter.



My question is ......... why wouldn't they have noted the "sender's" name (a towing company) and, if nothing else, called them on the 14th to inquire about this registered letter - wouldn't you????

I'm sorry this is o/t, but my brain was just jogged - had to get it out!!

They did notice. George verified who the sender was prior to picking up the car.

PS- sorry if this has been talked to death...I decided to read this thread from the start

 

[Intermezzo]

I have always thought that KC said she saw or talked to GA at the house at this time to cover up the fact that she had been in the house during this time frame. CA probably found evidence of KC being in the Anthony home and KC tried to fob it off on GA, since she was supposed to be out-of-town with the Zanny/Jeff/etc. posse.

BBM
Like Food or Freezer Pops missing
Casey was in and out of the house almost every day...as long as George and Cindy were at work...I am sure Cindy was noticing things were disappearing

 

[Ssejors]

YES. There is another indication that she was telling her mom that she was seeing Jeff from work in one of the jailhouse visits. [ I think that is when it is--maybe someone else remembers this convo too]

Cindy asks Casey something like " where is that Tiffany heart ring that Jeff gave you?" Casey shrugs and says IDK.

But when I heard that little gem I realized that Casey was pretending that she and Jeff Hopkins were dating. She flaunted that info in front of her mom because mom knew Jeff from school as he was in Lee's class. So Casey had this whole fantasy scenario that Jeff, the single dad, and co-worker at Universal, bought her one of those silver Tiffany heart rings that you get when you go steady. Unreal.

And she continued with this fantasy storyline when she told LE that he was the one who introduced her to Zanny. :liar::liar::liar:


ETA; I wonder who she stole that Tiffany jewelry from?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N77WhWSs7E

HERE IS THE VIDEO OF THE INTERCHANGE ^^^^^

Thanks!

Was there a Tiffany ring? Or was this something she just told her family about? Is there or WAS there an actual ring? not that it matters..



I was under the impression that GA told CA he SAW ICA at the house when she was ALLEGEDLY in Jacksonville and that is the reason for the comments from CA about I dont know who to believe any more. ICA is saying NO I WAS NEVER THERE IM IN Jacksonville. and GA is saying BUT I SAW HER
and then on the other hand there is ICA telling CA that she had to come back to Orlando for paper work for a friend because of the accident and that is WHY GA saw her?

I'm so lost. I had no idea that such a small window of time could be so confounding

 

[CuriousTwo]

I haven't found anywhere that we really discussed this...the following appears as a deleted file in the computer forensics report http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/11.pdf p. 2 (no apparent date information):

can't sleep, stupid hot flashes wake me up then I start thinking about you and Caylee. Dad said he went to work at 9am and he got home at 630p, he said he did not come home in between. I don't know who or what to believe anymore. You've told me everyday that you were going to call me and you haven't but you choose to call when you know I won't be home. What the hell is going on? I've tried not to bug you to death but I still haven't gotten to see pictures of Caylee or gotten to speak to her. It's been over a month now. Am I ever going to see her again? Are you still with Jeff? Are you going back to work? I saw on the news that Anheiser Busch is being bought by a foreign company that does not want the theme parks only the beer part of the Co. What is that all about they're talking Disney or Universal may get to buy the theme parks. I thought Universal already merged with them? I'm not sure how much longer I can continue on this day to day course. I'm going freakin nuts not knowing whats going on with you. I had a breakdown at work, can't take much more stre

There's so much to discuss here, and so many theories that could be affected by this "testimony" from Cindy if you go through it sentence by sentence. I suppose it must have been written close to the time they caught up with KC, since she says it's been over a month already.

To go from CA seeing Caylee every day to not seeing her, not talking to her, or even seeing pics of her for over a month, CA KNEW something was horribly wrong. What I'd like to see or hear are the interviews with CA's coworkers. I've not been able to follow this as closely as many of you ... have CA's coworker interviews been released? Thanks much!

 

[LambChop]

There are pictures of her wearing a ring and bracelet. No one seems to know what happened to them. Unless LE does and it has not been released because it has nothing to do with the crime, well, this one. jmo

 

[CuriousTwo]

Are you referring to the "Tiffany" jewelry that CA referred to?

 

[pip]

There are pictures of her wearing a ring and bracelet. No one seems to know what happened to them. Unless LE does and it has not been released because it has nothing to do with the crime, well, this one. jmo

She probably pawned them for more beer and bra money.