Cindy's (draft?) email to Casey--computer forensics report

[sayd]

Reading this thread, relative to the email drafted/sent on July 14 to KC, the day before they picked up KC's vehicle, but a day AFTER having found the delivery notice on their front door ........... brought forth a thought.

Anytime I have received a registered/certified mail notice, it has ALWAYS included the SENDER'S name (see PS form 3849, http://www.tpub.com/content/administration/14317/css/14317_151.htm) ........ surely they were curious regarding this notice, considering their daughter and g/daughter had been gone "for over a month!"

The A's claimed they were unable to go to PO on the 14th due to work, consequently, the letter was claimed on the 15th & we are all aware of what supposedly occurred thereafter.

My question is ......... why wouldn't they have noted the "sender's" name (a towing company) and, if nothing else, called them on the 14th to inquire about this registered letter - wouldn't you????

I'm sorry this is o/t, but my brain was just jogged - had to get it out!!

The notice you receive never tells you who it is from. You don't know who it is from until you go to the Post Office and sign for it. Once you sign, you get the letter that shows who it is from. But not before.

 

[scratchthatitch]

I am pretty sure Cindy tried to get in touch with the "nanny" if Casey ever gave her phone numbers. I think she probably tried Casey's work too. (IMO, that is why Cindy did not follow the advice of her co-workers to call Casey at work. I think she'd already tried doing that and knew the phone numbers were fake. But, she didn't want to tell her friends at work.)

By the time Cindy wrote that e-mail draft I think Cindy knew Casey's job was bogus and that the numbers Casey gave her for the nanny were not real either. The draft sounds like a "fishing-for-info" e-mail.

Cindy was telling "mistruths" on the CBS Early Show. She was worried sick about Caylee every day after June 16 and hoping she was overreacting.

IMO

Totally agree.
I think Cindy tried every number she had. She even drove to Universal herself, prepared to confront KC's mng, but didn't have the heart to walk-in and confirm her fears.

Consciously, Cindy appears to have been rationalizing every RED FLAG that we can all now see for ourselves.

Subconsciously, she couldn't continue to ignore the gnawing truth about her daughters lies because, well, they led to the truth about Caylee. If Cindy was confronted with proof that KC was indeed a pathological liar, she could no longer trust that Caylee was "Okay", just because KC said she was.

As the situation escalated, Cindy walked a very fine line-

She needed to know the truth, but feared knowing the reality.

Whatever it was, by looking at all of her writings, Cindy certainly was very afraid of SOMETHING... something that others would never contemplate in a million years, but obviously, she did, on some level...a lot.

 

[Dear Prudence]

I remember there was a show maybe GVS where cindy was in her kitchen? and she did discuss calling phone numbers that she was given but then would realize it was some neighbor or someone the family knew on the other end. I don't think I'm making this up. It was early on.
Also don't you think cindy would have called the Grunds or the neighbor girl Christine? at one point to ask if they have seen Casey lately? It's not like she did not have any of Caseys friends phone or couldn't get them.

I remember someone talking about calling numbers saved on KC's cell phone as Jeff and Juliet which turned out to be neighbors. I thought it was Lee. But I do remember an interview with Cindy in her kitchen. I'll look for that when I get a chance.

 

[scratchthatitch]

I remember there was a show maybe GVS where cindy was in her kitchen? and she did discuss calling phone numbers that she was given but then would realize it was some neighbor or someone the family knew on the other end. I don't think I'm making this up. It was early on.
Also don't you think cindy would have called the Grunds or the neighbor girl Christine? at one point to ask if they have seen Casey lately? It's not like she did not have any of Caseys friends phone or couldn't get them.

You're not imagining it:crazy:. Although, it was Lee that said that. j
Cindy may have in the interview, but I have yet to watch that one all the way thru.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I've searched hither, thither, and yon and can't find the MySpace message or IM message Casey left someone around June 11 or 12. I clearly remember reading it and it said, "I haven't been home for 3 days." I remember thinking at the time that it placed her out of the family home since June 9.

I remember it so clearly and thought that this was the reason they used the 9th for the last date Cindy saw Caylee.

If anyone remembers this, please help me, since this could be a key issue. Did Casey take off from the 9th to the 15th, returned with Caylee that day and took off again the 15th or 16th depending on whose version of events one wants to believe.

 

[aafromaa]

I haven't found anywhere that we really discussed this...the following appears as a deleted file in the computer forensics report http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/11.pdf p. 2 (no apparent date information):

can't sleep, stupid hot flashes wake me up then I start thinking about you and Caylee. Dad said he went to work at 9am and he got home at 630p, he said he did not come home in between. I don't know who or what to believe anymore. You've told me everyday that you were going to call me and you haven't but you choose to call when you know I won't be home. What the hell is going on? I've tried not to bug you to death but I still haven't gotten to see pictures of Caylee or gotten to speak to her. It's been over a month now. Am I ever going to see her again? Are you still with Jeff? Are you going back to work? I saw on the news that Anheiser Busch is being bought by a foreign company that does not want the theme parks only the beer part of the Co. What is that all about they're talking Disney or Universal may get to buy the theme parks. I thought Universal already merged with them? I'm not sure how much longer I can continue on this day to day course. I'm going freakin nuts not knowing whats going on with you. I had a breakdown at work, can't take much more stre

There's so much to discuss here, and so many theories that could be affected by this "testimony" from Cindy if you go through it sentence by sentence. I suppose it must have been written close to the time they caught up with KC, since she says it's been over a month already.

I don't think I can do "sentence by sentence" but will share some thoughts on this.

First the timing of the email fragment -I think it has to be the 14th - the day of the media release about Anheiser Busch. The reference to GA's work schedule has to be the 14th which was his first day on the new job. I don't recall what hours he worked on his first day of the new job but it's entirely possible that he would have worked a somewhat "normal" day shift on his first day which one would expect to be mostly paperwork & orientation rather than his regular shift which had him start later in the day and get off later at night - which is why he was able to get the letter at the PO on his 2nd day of work but not on his 1st day. It is also unlikely that this reference to GA's hours were from his previous job where he normally worked 3-11 - although he did work a day shift once in a while for them like Sat 6/28 but IIRC he went in at 7:30 and was off at 3pm so the 9am to 6:30pm wouldn't fit for his schedule there either. Another reason that I think this could have been the 14th is that it fits with the text messages & phone calls someone else posted for the 14th. 5:49PM call from Anthony home to KC's cell - my guess is CA leaves voice message for KC to call. 6:11PM KC text to CA (content unknown) - my guess is that KC says she will call later tonight. 8:30PM CA text to KC "can u call me soon? I'l be going 2 bed soon" - CA had waited 2 hours & KC hadn't called yet & she was trying to get her to call sooner rather than later so she mentioned going to bed. This email fragment starts out "can't sleep" which would be CA's explanation of why she is awake & on the computer even though she told KC she was going to bed soon at 8:30pm. (Now, having said all that, I must say that I had this email fragment in my notes as haven taken place on the 13th but failed to note what made me think that at the time. After looking at it today, I think it had to be the 14th because of the references to GA's work.)

Now for the content...

"Dad said he went to work....I don't know who or what to believe anymore." Since this statement is followed by the you said you were going to call statement I really think this might have been mentioned because of something that was in the 6:11pm text from KC to Cindy (content unknown). Perhaps CA's voice message said something about her not having called that day so KC texts back that she had called the house earlier that day and spoken to GA.

"choose to call when you know I won't be home" - Whether CA believed GA when he said he didn't speak to her or whether she believed KC when she said she did, this statement would be appropriate either way - CA doesn't want a message from KC to GA for her - she wants to speak with Caylee - that's why she wants KC to call her - not text her and not call GA.

"tried not to bug you to death" - I really think this is CA trying to avoid pushing KC any further away and that it's likely she and KC have exchanged words or texts or messages about KC being annoyed with CA for trying to get her to call more often or let her speak to Caylee or bring her by to see her or whatever.

"It's been over a month now" - obviously CA is thinking even during this email that the last time she saw Caylee was while she was on vacation the first week of June. I'm not one of those who think the 9th of June was a conspiracy. I really do think that CA simply remembered taking Caylee to Mt Dora and forgot it was for Father's Day and just thought it was during her vacation. So even though CA had seen Caylee on 6/15, she thought it had already been over a month.

"Are you still with Jeff?...going back to work?" - remember KC had been telling CA since early July that she was on a mini-vacation and was with Jeff trying to "see if they could be a family" when he moved back to Orlando.

As for the stuff about AB being bought out and Disney & Universal - that sounds very much like something my own mother asked me about when she heard a news report about the parent company of my company. She just wondered how those kind of things might affect my job. I see nothing worthy of discussion here other than what others have mentioned about this indicating that CA does appear to believe that KC is still employed at Universal.

"can't take much more stre" - I think this (stopping in the middle of a word and sentence) shows that this was an incomplete email that wasn't actually sent. Why wasn't it sent? Maybe CA just decided it was a waste of time and she was tired and headed back to bed. But maybe, KC called her while she was writing it. No, I haven't seen a call list that shows that, but CA did tell LE in one of her interviews that she had spoken to KC on the 14th and got "the same story" (about being with Jeff and not being able to talk to Caylee and such). I believe she told LE in that interview that there was nothing unusual or noteworthy about the conversation - it was just more of the same thing she'd been hearing from KC.

Above comments are only my own opinion, of course.

 

[darnudes]

Now I am confused as to the date of the interview where Cindy talks about insurance papers and Zanny. On this site it says that it was the Aug 1st interview, the part about the insurance is half way down.

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_C_AnthonyPt1_080108.htm

It is definitely 1 AUG...I have just started listening to the interview again and Det Melich says the date for the recorder.

 

[beach]

Totally agree.
I think Cindy tried every number she had. She even drove to Universal herself, prepared to confront KC's mng, but didn't have the heart to walk-in and confirm her fears.

Consciously, Cindy appears to have been rationalizing every RED FLAG that we can all now see for ourselves.

Subconsciously, she couldn't continue to ignore the gnawing truth about her daughters lies because, well, they led to the truth about Caylee. If Cindy was confronted with proof that KC was indeed a pathological liar, she could no longer trust that Caylee was "Okay", just because KC said she was.

As the situation escalated, Cindy walked a very fine line-

She needed to know the truth, but feared knowing the reality.

Whatever it was, by looking at all of her writings, Cindy certainly was very afraid of SOMETHING... something that others would never contemplate in a million years, but obviously, she did, on some level...a lot.

totally agree! thanks for expressing my feelings for me!


Jack Nicholson's voice is ringing in my head...."You want the truth?! You can't handle the truth!!"

 

[scratchthatitch]

I've searched hither, thither, and yon and can't find the MySpace message or IM message Casey left someone around June 11 or 12. I clearly remember reading it and it said, "I haven't been home for 3 days." I remember thinking at the time that it placed her out of the family home since June 9.

I remember it so clearly and thought that this was the reason they used the 9th for the last date Cindy saw Caylee.

If anyone remembers this, please help me, since this could be a key issue. Did Casey take off from the 9th to the 15th, returned with Caylee that day and took off again the 15th or 16th depending on whose version of events one wants to believe.

Yes, that does sound familiar. I think maybe, JG?

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Yes, that does sound familiar. I think maybe, JG?

I'm still hunting!

 

[MAMABEAR]

It would be fine if they supported her in parental ways, like, visiting her in jail, talking to her about redemption, about confession and forgiveness, talking to her while she was in their house and making her come clean and tell the truth. If they were concerned for her eternal soul or general welfare and wanted her to understand they still loved her, fine. But they go much further than that. They blame other people for various things up and through the murder of their grandchild. They get angry at people whose lives their daughter screwed up when she sucked them into this mess. They proclaim her innocence in the face of staggering evidence to the contrary. I believe they are now lying to make her look better. Without getting to the bottom of what really happened, they talk about how wonderful the woman is who murdered their grandchild and talk about how proud they are. Yet...they don't visit her in jail.

This letter/email put a different spin on thangs. There is s family secret---always has been and this is leading to the secret. Just not clickin into place yet. Unless ya'll figered it out for I get to the end. LOL

 

[scratchthatitch]

totally agree! thanks for expressing my feelings for me!


Jack Nicholson's voice is ringing in my head...."You want the truth?! You can't handle the truth!!"

Ha! That quote seems to pop-up in the "Cindy posts" quite frequently from many here LOL!

and Thank you:blowkiss:. It always helps to hear that you are not alone in your view of reality in a case that truly tries to challenge it.

 

[Imbackon]

Yes, that does sound familiar. I think maybe, JG?

The nearest text I can find this one,

June 24 2008 at 2:40pm Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote to troy on Facebook: she still has yet to move into the house. hell, in the past 9 days, i haven’t even been living at the house. DRAMMMMMA. i’ll fill ya in later on. miss ya, yo.

This puts her last living at home on the 15th.

 

[scratchthatitch]

This letter/email put a different spin on thangs. There is s family secret---always has been and this is leading to the secret. Just not clickin into place yet. Unless ya'll figered it out for I get to the end. LOL

I've said it before, and I'll say it again..

It's not that the Anthony's think KC is "NOT GUILTY", it's that the Anthony's think THEY ARE GUILTY RIGHT ALONG WITH HER.

Nothing bonds a family like a guilty conscience

 

[scratchthatitch]

The nearest text I can find this one,

June 24 2008 at 2:40pm Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote to troy on Facebook: she still has yet to move into the house. hell, in the past 9 days, i haven’t even been living at the house. DRAMMMMMA. i’ll fill ya in later on. miss ya, yo.

This puts her last living at home on the 15th.

That's it! That's the one I was thinkin' of

 

[CarolinaMoon]

The nearest text I can find this one,

June 24 2008 at 2:40pm Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote to troy on Facebook: she still has yet to move into the house. hell, in the past 9 days, i haven’t even been living at the house. DRAMMMMMA. i’ll fill ya in later on. miss ya, yo.

This puts her last living at home on the 15th.

That's it. Guess I remembered it wrong. Thanks so much!

I'm wondering if she did storm out with Caylee the night of the 15th. It is also an indication that a fight did take place.

 

[NSS]

But wasn't it KC's car? If they knew their own cars were accounted for why would they care if KC's car was towed? I think locating Caylee was important at the time, not the car.
I only mean that if I got a certified letter from a tow yard and I could deduce fairly easily that it was about my troublesome daughter's car, I probably wouldn't make tracks to get the letter.
Just more hassle for them, waiting in line at the PO then taking 2 drivers to get the car etc.,etc. I'd leave the letter for my daughter to deal with. but of course things took a different direction almost immediately.

I think that CA is the registered owner of the car.
The very first 911 call is CA reporting KC for "Auto theft", that wouldn't be possible if the car weren't in CAs name.

However, in the 3rd 911 call (the kidnapping call), she (CA) speaks of getting their "daughters" car from the tow place.

 

[aafromaa]

I've searched hither, thither, and yon and can't find the MySpace message or IM message Casey left someone around June 11 or 12. I clearly remember reading it and it said, "I haven't been home for 3 days." I remember thinking at the time that it placed her out of the family home since June 9.

I remember it so clearly and thought that this was the reason they used the 9th for the last date Cindy saw Caylee.

If anyone remembers this, please help me, since this could be a key issue. Did Casey take off from the 9th to the 15th, returned with Caylee that day and took off again the 15th or 16th depending on whose version of events one wants to believe.

I recall a facebook message KC left for TB on the 24th that said for 9 days she hadn't been living at the house - it was the one about "DRAMMA" but I don't have a link at the moment.

But KC also told CA that she was on a business trip for Universal June 9th thru 12th and that the nanny was babysitting. IIRC the 9th was CA's 1st day back at work after her vacation. I think that the fact that KC & Caylee were gone June 9th thru 12th is why CA first gave that date as the last time she saw Caylee. She connected it with her 1st day back at work and them being gone and it stuck in her mind.

There was also an anonymous tip that said Caylee & KC were at the house the evening of June 13th between 7pm and 9pm before the Father's Day video emerged. A friend of TL's saw Caylee at TL's apartment on the 13th and TL says that the 13th is the 1st night that KC spent at his house without Caylee.

I think that Caylee & KC were at the A's on the 13th and KC left - probably said she had to work late so CA would watch Caylee - but went to Fusion and then spent the night with TL.

I don't know whether Caylee spent 6/14 with CA or not but my best guess is that she did and then they went to Mt Dora on 6/15. I think it likely that KC was at the A's at some point on the 14th but used the work excuse again and since it was Sat CA was off work and happy to have Caylee.

Hope this helps some.

 

[Ada]

I think it's a mistake to take CAs "over a month" at face value. She seems prone to emotion and exaggeration. "Over a month" could have actually been "a few weeks."

 

[scratchthatitch]

I think it's a mistake to take CAs "over a month" at face value. She seems prone to emotion and exaggeration. "Over a month" could have actually been "a few weeks."

I agree that exaggerating or dramatizing is in Cindy's personality.

I've also considered that because the period of time overlapped from June until July, Cindy might have equated the "change" in months as an estimation of "over a month". Does that make sense?