Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2

[Bartholemeus]

On this topic, Con Bayens really felt the Northbridge Boot Man could have been the CSK. I don't know who Con is, or what his reputation is, but he headed a team to clean up the blatant prostitution in family areas. He seems a bit like a character, but one who knows what he's talking about.

He comes across as a good cop fed up with bureaucracy and incompetetence but who knows the truth?

A boot neatly and complete lined in plastic (looked like a blue tarp in TV re-enacting), with duct tape, zip ties and pliers. The man was driving an unmarked police car purchased at auction. He was talking to sex workers.

The Northbridge Boot Man has to be the semi-automatic rifle man mentioned on the CIA. IMO.

It would have to be odds on.

'Macro conducted saturation undercover surveillance of the general Claremont area...This resulted in the identification of men who followed women along the street and a number of rogue taxi drivers.*[Among those identified during this surveillance] are two men who can provide no alibis for the times the three victims went missing.

Anyone know anything more about "rogue" taxi drivers?

Can anyone post a reason, other than intended kidnapping and restraint, to have a lined boot, containing zip ties, duct tape and pliers?

There isn't one. I wonder if police investigated this bloke? You'd hope they had a good hard look at him even if they didn't think he was the CSK.

I thought Donald Morey was ruled out as CSK...I guess I'll have to look this up...

From memory he was in prison. But there's a good chance he's the guy Bayens came across.

 

[Sutton]

...SR claims police had the logs from the night which proves it's not him. But if this were true, then they wouldn't have investigated him for years. I wonder what data they did have, if any? He could have simply not switched on and the base would think he's not working on that night.

RSBM. There are numerous parts of SR's story that don't make sense. This is one of them (his version, paraphrased):

Police are insisting I provide an alibi. I can't because police have possession of my alibi. If police will return my alibi (computer dispatch records) I will be able to provide my alibi.

Maybe he wants the names of his fares, but hello?? Police would already have those and would contact them for verification.

And, he can easily lie about his whereabouts in between fares, or whatever. It's not like they have gps data on him.

http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/Spiers.htm

 

[Bartholemeus]

RSBM. There are numerous parts of SR's story that don't make sense. This is one of them (his version, paraphrased):

Police are insisting I provide an alibi. I can't because police have possession of my alibi. If police will return my alibi (computer dispatch records) I will be able to provide my alibi.

Maybe he wants the names of his fares, but hello?? Police would already have those and would contact them for verification.

And, he can easily lie about his whereabouts in between fares, or whatever. It's not like they have gps data on him.

http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/Spiers.htm

You'd think Police would have records of the previous night and would have definitive knowledge as to whether he took SS to South Perth that night. What worries me is that there is conjecture about it. If police had evidence he was lying you'd suspect they would have leaked that as well. So is there a problem with those records? Were they destroyed in the years between the murders and the time when SR made his statement?

You'd think that as soon as Macro started investigating the taxi industry they would have collected all the records of fares in and around the time of the murders.

What are we missing here?

 

[Bartholemeus]

I just found this on the link Sutton provided:

MACRO INQUIRY - Statement by WA Police


In response to media reports, WA Police wishes to emphasise that a Cottesloe public servant, who has been the subject of those reports, has not been eliminated from the Macro investigation as reported by some sections of the media.

The man is considered a priority person of interest to Police and has been so since he came to the attention of investigators. His status has not changed.

WA Police have distanced themselves from the content of last night’s Nine News report, particularly concerning the alleged comments or opinions attributed to the Police.
The Macro inquiry remains an ongoing and active investigation.

Jeff Byleveld
Acting Assistant Commissioner
Specialist Crime Portfolio
27 November, 2008.

Link: http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/Spiers.htm

That was in 2008. There have been lots of reports prior to that saying LW was no longer a suspect. Unconfirmed claims by journalists that over time have been believed by a lot of people. The above statement isn't hearsay or misinformation - it has a name to it - a direct source from WAPOL.

So since 2008, is it likely new evidence has been found to eliminate LW? I think we all know it's highly unlikely.

 

[MyLeftFoot]

I just found this on the link Sutton provided:

MACRO INQUIRY - Statement by WA Police


In response to media reports, WA Police wishes to emphasise that a Cottesloe public servant, who has been the subject of those reports, has not been eliminated from the Macro investigation as reported by some sections of the media.

The man is considered a priority person of interest to Police and has been so since he came to the attention of investigators. His status has not changed.

WA Police have distanced themselves from the content of last night’s Nine News report, particularly concerning the alleged comments or opinions attributed to the Police.
The Macro inquiry remains an ongoing and active investigation.

Jeff Byleveld
Acting Assistant Commissioner
Specialist Crime Portfolio
27 November, 2008.

Link: http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/Spiers.htm

That was in 2008. There have been lots of reports prior to that saying LW was no longer a suspect. Unconfirmed claims by journalists that over time have been believed by a lot of people. The above statement isn't hearsay or misinformation - it has a name to it - a direct source from WAPOL.

So since 2008, is it likely new evidence has been found to eliminate LW? I think we all know it's highly unlikely.

Speak for yourself Bartholemeus because I, for one, think it is extremely likely!
Talk about living in the past!

 

[billywhizz]

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...est-running-case/story-e6frfmyi-1227376781943

Ferguson still believes that either the killer or someone who knows something could feel guilty enough to come forward with information they had kept hidden all this time.

“I know that the offender thinks at this stage that he or she is smart and they’ve got away with it,” he said. “What I can tell you is that the more people involved in the crime, the more chances of getting caught.

“Relationships change. Friendships break down. Circumstances change. If someone has some information that can lift one person above the others, ring CrimeStoppers.”

How do Paul Ferguson's quotes from 2015 apply to LW? Does he have any relationships/friends? All the descriptions of him don't sound like it. Would be even harder to make new ones after 1997, especially in Perth.

Sunday Night also explores the explosive claims of another retired senior cop who says he formed deep suspicions about a “red-hot” person of interest he questioned during an unrelated undercover operation in 2001. But he fears the evidence he presented wasn’t thoroughly examined and never heard back from the team about their pursuits. He also claims the Claremont team rejected a potential treasure trove of intelligence from his long-running, clandestine vice operation because they believed they had their man.

This parts sounds like Caporn was still going for LW in 2001. And he didn't want anything to do with Con Bayen's story.

2004 they searched property SR lived at, owned by Weygers.

Schramm review

2008 doco - judoman, sexual pervert, wilcard suspect mark dixie

LW has been DNA tested
SR and PW have been DNA tested
Dixie has been DNA tested

late 2008 article came out saying LW cleared
2015 articles and tv doco comes out saying LW and PW no longer a persons of interest

Police won't comment
But it's pretty far fetched for a journalist to just make up that LW, PW are clear as well as Dixie without some solid information.

2015 articles stating police are doing familial DNA testing. which could suggest they have not been able to obtain DNA from the person, but can build a profile based on DNA from relatives? Also possible that CSK has committed crimes previously in the area and they have been able to link these with an escalation in violence? CSK obviously got lucky three times, don't think he/they were smart enough to hide DNA at these other crimes if they are indeed linked.

Hopefully he/they are gone this time.

Also, Ciara was last seen talking to occupants of a white holden (this part is debatable - spotted by drunk guys) wagon. LW drove a sedan.


Myth #3: All Serial Killers Are Isolated and Dysfunctional Loners.
Reality: The majority of serial killers are not reclusive social misfits who live alone, despite pervasive depictions of them as such in the news and entertainment media, including the socially challenged “Tooth Fairy” serial killer in the film Red Dragon. Real-life serial killers are not the isolated monsters of fiction and, frequently, they do not appear to be strange or stand out from the public in any meaningful way.

Many serial killers are able to successfully hide out in plain sight for extended periods of time. Those who successfully blend in are typically also employed, have families and homes and outwardly appear to be non-threatening, normal members of society. Because serial killers can appear to be so innocuous, they are often overlooked by law enforcement officials, as well as their own families and peers.

In some rare cases, an unidentified serial killer will even socialize and become friendly with the unsuspecting police detectives who are tracking him. The incredible tale of Ed Kemper (the “Co-ed Killer&#8221 provides an example of this phenomenon.

Serial killers who hide out in plain sight are able to do so precisely because they look just like everyone else. It is their ability to blend in that makes them very dangerous, frightening and yet very compelling to the general public.

The comfort zone of a serial killer is often defined by an anchor point such as a place of residence or employment. Crime statistics reveal that serial killers are most likely to commit their first murder very close to their place of residence due to the comfort and familiarity it offers them. John Wayne Gacy “The Killer Clown” buried most of his thirty-three young, male victims in the crawl space beneath his house after sexually assaulting and murdering them.

Serial killers sometimes return to commit murder in an area they know well from the past such as the community in which they were raised. Over time, serial murderers may extend their activities outside of their comfort zone but only after building their confidence by executing several successful murders while avoiding detection by law enforcement authorities.

The image of the evil genius serial killer is mostly a Hollywood invention. Real serial killers generally do not possess unique or exceptional intellectual skills. The reality is that most serial killers who have had their IQ tested score between borderline and above average intelligence. This is very consistent with the general population. Contrary to mythology, it is not high intelligence that makes serial killers successful. Instead, it is obsession, meticulous planning and a cold-blooded, often psychopathic personality that enable serial killers to operate over long periods of time without detection.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/5-myths-about-serial-killers-and-why-they-persist-excerpt/

 

[billywhizz]

"And as for suspects: a number of people in Perth, by virtue of their odd behaviour, have been extensively investigated, in effect creating a database of information about their activities,” he says.

I ask if they have investigated a particular individual, whom I name.

“No comment,” he says. “You’ll have to talk to Dave Caporn about that.”

Caporn. I am starting to feel as if I am shadow-boxing with a silent partner, a phantom. Lee concedes the individual I have named is known as a character in Perth, that he is a possibility
http://www.news.com.au/news/lost-in-the-devils-garden/story-fna7dq6e-1111113619174

Anyone know who this refers to?

Why was this person on Debbie Marshall's radar anyway?

 

[billywhizz]

Is it more likely that CSK was a shift worker whose body clock was in sync with the abduction and supposed disposal times.

Or a 9-5er who has an out of wack body clock and is basically falling asleep/hallucinating during these times when they probably need their wits about them?

The Friday that Ciara disappeared would have been a long day if starting at 9am (at the end of a working week), finishing up, doing a few hours of stalking and then driving back from Eglinton with no sleep.

It does suggest someone who works irregular hours to me. But don't know how much relevance this line of thinking has

 

[Sutton]

...I can't find the article where it's specified who were the cab drivers who had their licenses taken off them. I know lots were just cabbies who had serious crim records and a few were bogus. Can anyone confirm?

...Anyone know anything more about "rogue" taxi drivers?...

RSBM. I believe I saw a "report" possibly referencing or issued by the WA Taxi Council that listed the drivers who'd been de-licensed. I cannot find it anywhere. I am still looking, though.

Can anyone answer these questions:

LW- Did he smoke? Any military service?

Judo- Did he smoke? Any military service?

And, WHY aren't the Claremont/Nedlands Post archives available online anymore?? I see there have been different Post newspapers published throughout the years (Cambridge, Mosman Park/Cottesloe, Subiaco), and it looks like they are now published together as one paper. The archives were online, but I cannot find them anywhere.

 

[MyLeftFoot]

Sorry, I forgot that SCS give you regular updates including telling you who the CSK is.

Now you are just being silly!
I disagreed with you..so what?...everyone is entitled to their own opinion and you don't need to take offence.

 

[Sutton]

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...est-running-case/story-e6frfmyi-1227376781943

Ferguson still believes that either the killer or someone who knows something could feel guilty enough to come forward with information they had kept hidden all this time.

“I know that the offender thinks at this stage that he or she is smart and they’ve got away with it,” he said. “What I can tell you is that the more people involved in the crime, the more chances of getting caught.

“Relationships change. Friendships break down. Circumstances change. If someone has some information that can lift one person above the others, ring CrimeStoppers.”

Does this relate to the headline, 'Claremont detective turned to serial killer to help solve Australia’s longest-running case'? Ferguson goes to Casuarina Prison to meet David Birnie and discuss the psyche of the Claremont killer. Did Birnie reveal that the killer would not have been able to completely conceal his crimes from a spouse or family member?

How do Paul Ferguson's quotes from 2015 apply to LW? Does he have any relationships/friends? All the descriptions of him don't sound like it. Would be even harder to make new ones after 1997, especially in Perth.

If Ferguson knows LW was the killer, the comment doesn't make sense. LW did not have a partner, and he was picking up strangers for conversation. If Ferguson is leaning toward other suspects, he could make the statement in regards to them. Either way, it's only a clue to what Ferguson believes.

But I like Ferguson, even though I've seen a bunch of stuff against him. Is he legit (in your opinion?).

This has proven true in many other cases. Ex-partners come forth to retract an alibi or bring new info to LE. (It's already happened in CSK investigation--look at the past posters who dated the 'killer' and turned him in later on.)

Sunday Night also explores the explosive claims of another retired senior cop who says he formed deep suspicions about a “red-hot” person of interest he questioned during an unrelated undercover operation in 2001. But he fears the evidence he presented wasn’t thoroughly examined and never heard back from the team about their pursuits. He also claims the Claremont team rejected a potential treasure trove of intelligence from his long-running, clandestine vice operation because they believed they had their man.

Con has to remember who this guy is, correct? So is anyone checking him out now? I doubt almost being caught scared his bondage paraphilias out of him.

And it can't be Mark Dixie, otherwise Con wouldn't be bringing this up. He'd be like, 'yep, they were right, Dixie isn't the CSK', and then he'd quit talking about someone he was wrong about.

This parts sounds like Caporn was still going for LW in 2001. And he didn't want anything to do with Con Bayen's story.

Caporn-totally discredited as a cop, or still led some good, honest investigations (your opinion)?

Also, Ciara was last seen talking to occupants of a white holden (this part is debatable - spotted by drunk guys) wagon. LW drove a sedan.

'But at least one of the young men is positive it was a white Holden station wagon without taxi markings.

It is a mark of honour among many young men to instantly distinguish Holdens from their similar-looking rival Fords.'

Post Newspaper (2008, August 30)
True or false? ^^ Are they usually accurate?

This was in reference to Ciara.

In some rare cases, an unidentified serial killer will even socialize and become friendly with the unsuspecting police detectives who are tracking him. The incredible tale of Ed Kemper (the “Co-ed Killer”) provides an example of this phenomenon.

I don't think it's that rare. Kemper was rare bc he tried to fit in with police and then turned himself in the police. -
1. Sometimes it can be fun to watch your destruction unfold
2. Many SK's are enamored with LE, tried to get hired but are rejected
3. It's a good way to see if you're a suspect

 

[Bartholemeus]

Now you are just being silly!
I disagreed with you..so what?...everyone is entitled to their own opinion and you don't need to take offence.

So apart from SCS telling you who the CSK is, what other reasoning do you have?

 

[Bartholemeus]

Ferguson still believes that either the killer or someone who knows something could feel guilty enough to come forward with information they had kept hidden all this time.

“I know that the offender thinks at this stage that he or she is smart and they’ve got away with it,” he said. “What I can tell you is that the more people involved in the crime, the more chances of getting caught.

“Relationships change. Friendships break down. Circumstances change. If someone has some information that can lift one person above the others, ring CrimeStoppers.”

How do Paul Ferguson's quotes from 2015 apply to LW? Does he have any relationships/friends? All the descriptions of him don't sound like it. Would be even harder to make new ones after 1997, especially in Perth.

All this does is suggest PF thinks there could be more than 1 killer, or perhaps 1 killer who has a colleague who knows about it. This really doesn't give any reasonable inclination as to how many killers there are. In fact, the article leans more towards suggesting 1 killer - 20 years and no one has broken ranks which gives slightly more credence to being only 1 person alive who knows who the killer is.

late 2008 article came out saying LW cleared

Yep, and police publicly refuted this. I have posted the statement and the name of the police spokesperson who made it.

2015 articles and tv doco comes out saying LW and PW no longer a persons of interest

Police won't comment
But it's pretty far fetched for a journalist to just make up that LW, PW are clear as well as Dixie without some solid information.

There are many articles by seemingly professional journalists with incorrect information. One of the reasons the BF thread was started was to clarify what is fact, fiction and theory because there was so much disinformation about this case.

Keep in mind police sometimes release inaccurate information to try and influence the behaviour of suspects.

2015 articles stating police are doing familial DNA testing. which could suggest they have not been able to obtain DNA from the person, but can build a profile based on DNA from relatives? Also possible that CSK has committed crimes previously in the area and they have been able to link these with an escalation in violence? CSK obviously got lucky three times, don't think he/they were smart enough to hide DNA at these other crimes if they are indeed linked.

Most likely to be BS. There has been a number of articles released in the last 18 months that reek of strategic misinformation. The good news it this means police are working the case in the background.

If Police are doing familial DNA testing it means;

a. They have DNA
b. They would be able to rule out all the main POI's. I'd assume Judoman has been tested (pretty sure the police would be able to get a court order)
c. The CSK has to be outside the main pool of suspects
d. Outside the main pool of suspects, they probably would have enough evidence to convince a judge to give them a Court Order for each suspect. So they go appeal to family members and ask them to provide DNA.
e. If they had DNA for precursor crimes and got a match then they'd have new lines of inquiry, i.e. say the CSK DNA matched the Karakatta DNA - then they'd trawl through their CSK suspect list and look for someone who owned or had access to a van in 1995.

But as I said, the chances of police having a DNA read to do familial testing is remote. It's most likely deliberate misinformation as part of a broader strategy.

Also, Ciara was last seen talking to occupants of a white holden (this part is debatable - spotted by drunk guys) wagon. LW drove a sedan.

Every POI has things that don't add up.

 

[Bartholemeus]

LW- Did he smoke? Any military service?

He was a heavy drinker, smoker and gambler up until less than a year before the killings. He stopped all three cold turkey. The alleged trigger was the death of an old school friend.

I don't believe he has any military history.

Judo- Did he smoke? Any military service?

I don't know.

 

[crabstick]

There was a severe shortage of taxis in some areas. Yes, fake plate-less taxis existed. Taxis in Perth were a mass produced car with a light on the top at the time. Panel beating shops would have the lights etc. I don't believe there would be any tracking of taxi assets such as roof top lights. It was easy to build a fake taxi. They were all plain white.

Its not like the UK where you can only hale a proprietary made Hackney London cab off the street.

30 minute wait times in some areas. Perth has a number plate system of regulation. It has made taxis expensive. Essentially flag fall is to pay for the number plate. If you can get a fare without a taxi plate your making good money. In Claremont they would drive around the block picking up punters coming out the precinct.

I had a lawyer say there is about a case for a woman to drink drive in WA because it became so dangerous to hale a cab. There was a massive crack down on the taxi system after these events happened. All cabs were audited. Security has been stepped up but the occasional non-compliant driver still exists because they work off the books for less. How much is it for a taxi plate these days? $150000? Albeit Uber may have changed the price a little.

I think in the case of Robyn Santen, someone has met her at the beach. They didn't share a cab or shared a cab to her house, then met down the beach. Did Robyn grab a cab off the street? Or book one via an application?

Robyns car was found exactly 270 degrees West which may be a game someone is playing with police. An inside message per se. The fact Robyn went missing the night before the equinox and Cutler the night before the winter Solstice has me concerned that Robyn may have met foul play. Both cars left on the beach. No body in either case. It would be nice to know Julies home address at the time.

According one the POIs, Sarah Spiers shared a cab to the Windsor hotel in South Perth? Sharing cabs was common at the time to keep costs down. There's nothing to say someone wasn't working with a fake taxi following them to a prearranged destination to share a cab. They get in together and he overwhelms her on the back seat, although I feel he may also have come over the back seat, hidden in a station wagon on another occasion, maybe under a blanket to hide their presence and ID?
Its a small block so the taxi could time it with someone on the footpath.
Police were asking for a light coloured station wagon in the case of Ciara?

BBM.

In the States, the two places I am aware Gypsy Taxis have operated are airports and outside bars around closing time. If such a system existed in Perth, regulars at the club scene would be aware of it and some would avail themselves of the service to save a buck. If such a service was not widely used in the area, it is unlikely that three women would just accept a ride from a stranger just to save a few dollars.

The big question is: did such a practice exist in Claremont? If it did, any sexual predator with a vehicle could pose as a Gypsy Taxi (he wouldn't have to have accepted a real fare).

If such a practice did not exist in Claremont, then the CSK must have had access to a legitimate looking taxi. Considering the resources put into this investigation, pretty much every legitimate looking taxi, legal and illegal, was accounted for and all who had access to it in the nights in question were known or should have been known, the field of possible suspects would be narrowed down considerably.

Does anyone know whether or not unmarked "gypsy taxis" we're known to be in business in the streets of Claremont during the time of the killings?

 

[Bartholemeus]

"And as for suspects: a number of people in Perth, by virtue of their odd behaviour, have been extensively investigated, in effect creating a database of information about their activities,” he says.

I ask if they have investigated a particular individual, whom I name.

“No comment,” he says. “You’ll have to talk to Dave Caporn about that.”

Caporn. I am starting to feel as if I am shadow-boxing with a silent partner, a phantom. Lee concedes the individual I have named is known as a character in Perth, that he is a possibility
http://www.news.com.au/news/lost-in-the-devils-garden/story-fna7dq6e-1111113619174

Anyone know who this refers to?

Why was this person on Debbie Marshall's radar anyway?

From reading her book it's quite clear she talked to a lot of sources. Some of those sources were just average punters like us who had a theory. In her book she mentions Noel Coward, The Phibenator, as well as someone who has the exact same theory as My Left Foot. She got the name from someone, it could have been an off the record cop or someone from a forum or blog.

I recall Trevor Dunen described Paris King in a similar manner. Could be PK.

 

[crabstick]

I must read the book again. Because I don't recall anything in the book about the name Noel Coward.

From reading her book it's quite clear she talked to a lot of sources. Some of those sources were just average punters like us who had a theory. In her book she mentions Noel Coward, The Phibenator, as well as someone who has the exact same theory as My Left Foot. She got the name from someone, it could have been an off the record cop or someone from a forum or blog.
I recall Trevor Dunen described Paris King in a similar manner. Could be PK.

If Judo man did another martial art and not Judo as stated by people here. He did Jiu Jitsu, Zen Do Kai? Aikido? Why is he called Judo Man? Is it his initials? He was a club security guard? His parents wealthy, does he work? University qualifications?
Judo is a close quarter combat discipline.

Judo- Did he smoke? Any military service?

 

[crabstick]

The helicopter would have done a FLIR scan over many areas of Perth. Was it reported by media? Or a commentator paranoid as the chopper went past? I think there may have been some artistic licence at the time by a number of characters including the press. Narcissist behaviour by some.

Police had such an overwhelming quantity of information at the time. It was too much. They couldn't disseminate the relevant info. I think the public suffered apathy to some degree in reporting.

The POI knew he was being watched. Equipment exposure may well just have been used to increase his anxiety at the time. A test of his behaviour.

Its a shame one officer had been found to have used cocaine recreationally. This does leave an officer exposed to corruption via threat of sacking etc. Essentially someone would have had dirt on him. No doubt there will always be some corruption. Its not going to be eradicated. I had some great discussions with a cop who was in the know, before he had a stroke.

Anyone who says the cops shared rolling suspects is a liar. They had heavy non-disclosure agreements signed.

If is is true then this is a disgrace. What a seriously ridiculous thing to do to try and catch someone out.

No wonder perth detectives have such a rep of being useless.

I also read that the surveillance equipment above his desk at work fell out and hit him in the head.

*insert benny hill music*

Maybe someone doesnt think he is so smart anymore. LOL WAVES!!! Stay there. Dont start running.

 

[crabstick]

Who says they need permission to do anything. Maybe they just rock up at your front door and ask. Maybe they break into the house to gain inadmissible DNA.

Oh, they have DNA. They have DNA. A bit sick of hearing people ask. Police are going through a process of elimination.

But as I said, the chances of police having a DNA read to do familial testing is remote. It's most likely deliberate misinformation as part of a broader strategy.

Every POI has things that don't add up.

 

[MyLeftFoot]

So apart from SCS telling you who the CSK is, what other reasoning do you have?

I typed up a really comprehensive reply to you Bartholemeus and then lost it all. This was the gist of my reply.

To my knowledge, Special Crime has never told anyone who the killer is. How do we know that they even know yet? The person nominated was a POI...that's all. After he was investigated, he would remain a POI or not.
I am open to all relevant possibilities and will always consider things objectively even if there may be a subjective bias. Being aware of that bias makes me even more brutally objective.

My comment was not a personal attack on you but a difference of opinion based within the context of an ever evolving task force. How police conducted the investigation in the LW, PW, SR era is not how they work now. They made huge mistakes back then, opening the door for massive compensation payouts. To publicly declare that they targeted and publicly humiliated some dodgy looking citizens is not going to happen. Better to say nothing and let implied guilt prevail.


http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/09/24/1095961862193.html?from=storylhs

In May, police returned to the home Williams shares with his elderly parents. They also scoured a vacant beachfront unit owned by Williams. Nothing has been said since, though a former member of the taskforce spoke out at the time, saying the circumstantial evidence against Williams was compelling. Others inside the police force disagree.