Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia

[AngelJoan]

Great!

I was praying this ring would get taken down and put out of business once and for all.

But one by one they are getting tipped off.

Another just this morning.

Well, life will undoubtedly get easier for me, again.

Once again, I have succeeded in foiling the pricks so my kids won't get taken.

Once again, the fines and harassment will stop.

But once again, justice has not have been served to the guilty.

They are left to regroup and plot again.

 

[billywhizz]

AngelJoan - you from perth right? Did you know there is a facebook website called attempted child abduction alerts? Maybe you should post about your kids on there and leave this one for the CSK?

Don't mean any offence. Just the posts of yours not relating to CSK can be a bit distracting and I don't want to put you on ignore because some points you've made are interesting. Cheers.

 

[Bartholemeus]

Not long now anyway with familial DNA testing of all POI's involved in the investigation.

The only one they can't test is Mystery Man. Yet police still confident they will solve it. He must be very important.

Have you got a link to an article on this?

Are you talking getting a hit with a family member? Or reconstructing a face with use of DNA? The problem with both of these is it's unlikely the police have any DNA from the crime scenes. If those bodies were found a bit sooner then I believe we'd have our man.

I don't think they're going to need to test MM. And I'm pretty sure LW, PW and SR have all supplied DNA.

DM's book suggests that Dixie was ruled out for other reasons than DNA.

Hopefully at some point technology advancements allow police to have a DNA sample. If that was the case I think the case would be solved very quickly. Even if it's not one of the main suspects who have provided DNA, it could rule them out and give the the chance to realy hone in on some other suspects.

 

[billywhizz]

Have you got a link to an article on this?

Are you talking getting a hit with a family member? Or reconstructing a face with use of DNA? The problem with both of these is it's unlikely the police have any DNA from the crime scenes. If those bodies were found a bit sooner then I believe we'd have our man.

I don't think they're going to need to test MM. And I'm pretty sure LW, PW and SR have all supplied DNA.

DM's book suggests that Dixie was ruled out for other reasons than DNA.

Hopefully at some point technology advancements allow police to have a DNA sample. If that was the case I think the case would be solved very quickly. Even if it's not one of the main suspects who have provided DNA, it could rule them out and give the the chance to realy hone in on some other suspects.

Yes I posted it in the BF thread, page 109. Post newspaper link is dead now, have included below.

In terms of timing, this came out a few days after Droc's final BF post/letter/manifesto.

Serial killer net tightens
Detectives are making progress in their bid to solve WA’s most baffling and sen-sational murder mystery, the Claremont serial killings.

Very promising leads have convinced senior police that the apparently un-solvable crimes that traumatised the western suburbs 19 years ago may now be solved.A team of 12 detectives, sepa-rate from the original Macro task forces, has been commit-ted to the inquiry over the past three years.They have have narrowed their focus to other, possibly related non-fatal crimes and to new forensic evidence after an exhaustive review of the case, including hundreds of interviews. Three young women disap-peared late on three separate nights from Claremont after visiting central Claremont nightspots in the mid-1990s, the victims of horrific crimes. Two were found murdered and the third is presumed to have met the same fate.WA’s biggest and most expen-sive investigation followed, but it is now a very different inquiry with a different focus, the POST has been told.The focus has moved away from taxis and Lance Williams, the innocent Cottesloe public servant who once absorbed the vast bulk of police resources but led to dead ends.Police now do not believe any of the three women got into a vehicle voluntarily but was subject to a blitz attack. These separate incidents were by the same person. The motive was sexual.It is now accepted that the early, intense focus on Mr Williams dis-tracted them from the significance of other clues that might have pointed to the real murderer in the early days.Police were inundated at the time with calls about possibly related abduction attempts and suspicious behaviour around the Claremont entertainment precinct.But as the POST has previ-ously reported, these were given scant attention because police could not connect them to Mr Williams.The dismissed reports that might not have appeared signifi-cant at the time are now being revisited, with promising leads.Other incidents may have gone unreported.International criminologists say each massive investigation pro-duces one person, and sometimes more than one, who appears to fit, but who in reality had nothing to do with the crime.The re-investigation has completed interviews and re-interviews, eliminating 10,000 “persons of interest”, includ-ing two men whose lives were severely damaged when their names became public during early inquiries.These were Mr Williams and former Claremont mayor Peter Weygers, who are no longer of interest to police investigating the murders.Police are now focusing on scientific lines of inquiry plus related “precursor” crimes in the western suburbs leading up to the murders, ranging from house break-ins to attempted abductions.

Police have not identified the murderer but are now tar-geting high-priority persons of interest “based on a number of factors”.The Special Crime Squad has identified and prioritised the remaining persons of interest after reviewing Macro’s 65,000 files while conducting interviews and re-interviews, which are still continuing.Squad members have made more than seven trips to the UK to take advantage of the most recent breakthroughs in DNA analysis, using a private forensic science company.One of its founders, Dr Jonathan Whitaker, a senior fo-rensic scientist, has visited Perth and worked on the Claremont case.In UK cases Dr Whitaker has used familial techniques to track down the culprits of unsolved murders up to 30 years old, with one-in-a-billion accuracy.Familial DNA testing depends on the fact that each human gets half his or her DNA from each parent, and share a chunk of that DNA with other blood relatives.Police believe that by using some of the best scientists in the world and samples col-lected back in the 1990s, they can crack the case, but remain tight-lipped about the latest scientific results.They are hoping to use new computer software that com-pares the long strings of num-bers generated by DNA profiling results, an operation now done manually.Police do not believe at this stage of the inquiry that a coro-ner’s inquest into the deaths of the three young women would achieve anything.They are optimistic that by the end of this year there will be more concrete developments.Officers have been frustrated in following thousands of “low-quality” leads, but have inves-tigated each one.Information can be provided to police via Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000

 

[billywhizz]

More concrete information by the end of the year it says. Nighty night CSK.

 

[Shadowboxer]

Have you got a link to an article on this?

Are you talking getting a hit with a family member? Or reconstructing a face with use of DNA? The problem with both of these is it's unlikely the police have any DNA from the crime scenes. If those bodies were found a bit sooner then I believe we'd have our man.

I don't think they're going to need to test MM. And I'm pretty sure LW, PW and SR have all supplied DNA.

DM's book suggests that Dixie was ruled out for other reasons than DNA.

Hopefully at some point technology advancements allow police to have a DNA sample. If that was the case I think the case would be solved very quickly. Even if it's not one of the main suspects who have provided DNA, it could rule them out and give the the chance to realy hone in on some other suspects.

Why would they bother familial DNA testing of all POI's if they had nothing? For future comparison again? So in like 2099 they can say sorry J...z, but it was your grandson J....z. I'm hoping they have nearly reached the point where they can fully utilize any samples taken. I would love to see this solved in my lifetime. Ohh and I think they are doing their honing... I do think all of the main contenders have been considered at this point and would be shocked if it turned out to be a person that hadn't been a POI at this stage. Stranger things have happened, could easily be someone on the fringe trying to bait, or trying to work out what they have got. But whoever it is, I think they've posted or been mentioned. That's my gut feeling.

 

[billywhizz]

True. I'd say they have DNA of perp from girl that was left at Karakatta, plus a few other sexual assaults around the area at the same time.

The new detectives (not the ones in the Tardforce) have reviewed all information and found important stuff that was overlooked by Caporn and the rest. They have built a profile based on a series of escalating crimes.

Some of the first people interviewed when these new detectives started were Taxi Tony (in 2011) and the latest that we know about was Droc who passed away roughly three months later.

The article in the Post can only mean one of two things. It is accurate and it was actually a single perp conducting blitz attacks, or it is a complete fabrication in order to make TT and crew think the heat is off them.

The timing of the article is interesting to say the least. 19 years and a Crime Investigation doco appealing for information on cars the girls may have hopped into? To then realise it was a blitz attack?

CSK can't drive a car and do a blitz attack, it's actually impossible.

Although this was tried in Sydney recently -

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ay-in-crows-nest/story-fni0cx12-1227279077415

I don't think blitz attack would give 100% success.. but maybe it didn't.. and that's what the new detectives have discovered.

 

[AngelJoan]

AngelJoan - you from perth right? Did you know there is a facebook website called attempted child abduction alerts? Maybe you should post about your kids on there and leave this one for the CSK?

Don't mean any offence. Just the posts of yours not relating to CSK can be a bit distracting and I don't want to put you on ignore because some points you've made are interesting. Cheers.

Sorry for distracting you Billywhizz, and no offense taken.

I have noted some of your posts on bft, and find yours similarly interesting (thank you btw).

And re facebook page, thank you and yes, I was in contact with them that day.

Well before I posted on here.

Actually, there are more than a couple of similar pages on facebook that I joined months ago.

I also have my own facebook page with 5,500 fans (no, nothing to do with child abduction, nor the csk).

Not that my page and child abductions don't pertain to my theory about the csk...

Unfortunately my posts about my two main suspects that led to my theory were removed, as have many posts poignant to my theory. sorry bout that.

So I sure understand why i sound nuts and why I seem to make no sense, as half my posts are gone.

And that's not criticism directed at the mods, or anyone, just making a point.

The child abduction attempts were last week and the week before.

The weekend fiasco was just boys being boys and he is grounded for 2 weeks.

Plus I made him feel down right miserable for almost giving me a coronary.

And making me look like more of a nut.

Then the other day it was threats from dcp to lose my kids because of my "state of mind" .

Because I caused a stink insisting my kids get counselling because they've been to hell and back.

Just like last time, when "nothing had happened".

And the time before.

Even though both times it turned out something had happened.

And this time it happened way worse, trust me.

Last time I went off the map and found help for my kids myself.

Things were great till #2 came along.

And then the help I had arranged for the kids fell through as one Angel retired and one changed jobs.

My comments today concerned a peripheral suspect relating to a larger group, of which I believe the csk group is a small part of.

As in circles within circles.

The comments today were made in sardonic amusement as to how this is all going down...

 

[Shadowboxer]

More concrete information by the end of the year it says. Nighty night CSK.

I'm calling BS on the blitz attack theory. I think this is aimed at catching the killers off guard and making them think they are squeaky clean only to swoop when they least expect it for obvious reasons. More Killings, Flight risk. Those guys in the bus shelter would have heard a scream in a blitz attack even if they were tasered. I'm not convinced on the group theory, I think the group snuff film is a 1% chance. Snuff film at 2%. This killer has an agenda, it's personal and it's his most primal urge to carry it out. I think its been profiled correctly and it's a one man op, with an extra at most. It's an open field really in the odds.
1. Droc being involved has got to be 3/1
2. TT 3's
3. TT and M 5/1
4. JM 3/1

I don't suspect PW as being a killer, I think he's guilty of weird *advertiser censored* or something that drew the investigators but that's just my personal view. But I don't see him as a sk.
SR is too stupid to have done it alone.
I still believe a taxi was involved and wouldn't be surprised if JM had the money and means to have access to an old ford taxi. Easily brushed off to victims as something I'm doing on the part time.
Or I could be wrong about what I think I saw all this time but that would really surprise me at 20/1. Maybe they three walked forward and turned back for other reason's and JR then decided to move forward. But tell me this, Why did the end get chopped off what was originally released when I called it? Never to be seen since? There's a car in that footage.
Gotta be something in that.
I've had some freaky wack messages so let me just say that I will shoot first and put a bullet in the roof later and claim that was my warning shot. Won't get away with it but i'll claim it. For those passing info around, if you're on here, the task force is in your pc and phone etc. You may have a five car team on you for all you know and you would never know it. Every time your computer whirs or lags, that's them. Stay away from leaking my info and endangering my kids. It is something you will regret I promise. That's pretty much it, I'm out. had enough freaky *advertiser censored* shiz for a lifetime and wonder how the parents have coped and even the investigators. I'll continue to read here and there and answer pm's once a day but I've said where I stand, I don't think that will change. I know there is a woman that has been posting here that lives there that is freaked out too. Come at me.

 

[AngelJoan]

I'm calling BS on the blitz attack theory. I think this is aimed at catching the killers off guard and making them think they are squeaky clean only to swoop when they least expect it for obvious reasons. More Killings, Flight risk. Those guys in the bus shelter would have heard a scream in a blitz attack even if they were tasered. I'm not convinced on the group theory, I think the group snuff film is a 1% chance. Snuff film at 2%. This killer has an agenda, it's personal and it's his most primal urge to carry it out. I think its been profiled correctly and it's a one man op, with an extra at most. It's an open field really in the odds.
1. Droc being involved has got to be 3/1
2. TT 3's
3. TT and M 5/1
4. JM 3/1

I don't suspect PW as being a killer, I think he's guilty of weird *advertiser censored* or something that drew the investigators but that's just my personal view. But I don't see him as a sk.
SR is too stupid to have done it alone.
I still believe a taxi was involved and wouldn't be surprised if JM had the money and means to have access to an old ford taxi. Easily brushed off to victims as something I'm doing on the part time.
Or I could be wrong about what I think I saw all this time but that would really surprise me at 20/1. Maybe they three walked forward and turned back for other reason's and JR then decided to move forward. But tell me this, Why did the end get chopped off what was originally released when I called it? Never to be seen since? There's a car in that footage.
Gotta be something in that.
I've had some freaky wack messages so let me just say that I will shoot first and put a bullet in the roof later and claim that was my warning shot. Won't get away with it but i'll claim it. For those passing info around, if you're on here, the task force is in your pc and phone etc. You may have a five car team on you for all you know and you would never know it. Every time your computer whirs or lags, that's them. Stay away from leaking my info and endangering my kids. It is something you will regret I promise. That's pretty much it, I'm out. had enough freaky *advertiser censored* shiz for a lifetime and wonder how the parents have coped and even the investigators. I'll continue to read here and there and answer pm's once a day but I've said where I stand, I don't think that will change. I know there is a woman that has been posting here that lives there that is freaked out too. Come at me.

SB they don't need to put 5 car teams on anyone anymore they have flir
yes they in our pc's and phones
any "u/c" surveillance is meant to be overt

 

[Shadowboxer]

Although this was tried in Sydney recently -

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ay-in-crows-nest/story-fni0cx12-1227279077415

Nothing like these attacks. These girls were within screaming distance in at least 2 out of 3 abductions. Most likely 3.
AngelJoan, If you think that all surveillance done is overt you are more deluded than i feared. And if they want a 100 percent eyes on they will bug and cam your home while your out and use old school methods if need be. Don't be so narrow minded. Anything go's in cases like this as I have learned, read the play darl, your missing the game. Like when SR was raided but they didn't touch PW till the next day. What sort of methods of surveillance do you think they had on PW during that 24 hours? I think you would be shocked and so it should be. I have stopped recieving emails from this site to let me know I have a message recently which is a bit of nothing, but something new. I'm not worried that it's me they are looking at. In fact I know it's the kooks sending me twisted messages or badgering me for info. I still believe they are keeping their options open.

 

[AngelJoan]

Nothing like these attacks. These girls were within screaming distance in at least 2 out of 3 abductions. Most likely 3.
AngelJoan, If you think that all surveillance done is overt you are more deluded than i feared. And if they want a 100 percent eyes on they will bug and cam your home while your out and use old school methods if need be. Don't be so narrow minded. Anything go's in cases like this as I have learned, read the play darl, your missing the game. Like when SR was raided but they didn't touch PW till the next day. What sort of methods of surveillance do you think they had on PW during that 24 hours? I think you would be shocked and so it should be. I have stopped recieving emails from this site to let me know I have a message recently which is a bit of nothing, but something new. I'm not worried that it's me they are looking at. In fact I know it's the kooks sending me twisted messages or badgering me for info. I still believe they are keeping their options open.

You mistook me.

I meant they don't need to use undercover cars etc.. to keep tabs on you because of the flir in the copper chopper and gps in our phones.

I believe the case of the unmarked cars with the plain clothes in my cul de sac was a case of overt

I am fully aware of what lengths the cops can go to when they so choose,

but dont think that they are the only ones who can do so.

#1 ended up getting a drone when they slapped the 10 year vro on him, and that was 4 years ago

 

[Bartholemeus]

Very promising leads have convinced senior police that the apparently un-solvable crimes that traumatised the western suburbs 19 years ago may now be solved.A team of 12 detectives, sepa-rate from the original Macro task forces, has been commit-ted to the inquiry over the past three years.They have have narrowed their focus to other, possibly related non-fatal crimes and to new forensic evidence after an exhaustive review of the case, including hundreds of interviews.

Let's hope they do have new leads. It's good to see they are using DNA to solve potential pre-cursor crimes. This is a good strategy.

Police were inundated at the time with calls about possibly related abduction attempts and suspicious behaviour around the Claremont entertainment precinct.But as the POST has previ-ously reported, these were given scant attention because police could not connect them to Mr Williams.

I assume this is the HJ's/behind CBV abduction attempt?

In UK cases Dr Whitaker has used familial techniques to track down the culprits of unsolved murders up to 30 years old, with one-in-a-billion accuracy.Familial DNA testing depends on the fact that each human gets half his or her DNA from each parent, and share a chunk of that DNA with other blood relatives.Police believe that by using some of the best scientists in the world and samples col-lected back in the 1990s, they can crack the case, but remain tight-lipped about the latest scientific results.They are hoping to use new computer software that com-pares the long strings of num-bers generated by DNA profiling results, an operation now done manually.

Not buying it.

 

[Bartholemeus]

Why would they bother familial DNA testing of all POI's if they had nothing? For future comparison again? So in like 2099 they can say sorry J...z, but it was your grandson J....z. I'm hoping they have nearly reached the point where they can fully utilize any samples taken. I would love to see this solved in my lifetime. Ohh and I think they are doing their honing... I do think all of the main contenders have been considered at this point and would be shocked if it turned out to be a person that hadn't been a POI at this stage. Stranger things have happened, could easily be someone on the fringe trying to bait, or trying to work out what they have got. But whoever it is, I think they've posted or been mentioned. That's my gut feeling.

1. WAPOL are posting stories in the press to see how certain POI's react.
2. Yes, for future comparison. Pretty sure a lot of people would be interest in the identity of Jack the Ripper, even this late in the piece.

I also think it's one of the main POI's. It provides a reasonable explanation as to why the killings stopped.

 

[Shadowboxer]

Either way I'm full going through the bf thread again and taking notes. Have asked andy for a no ******** interview. I think I may just write this, there is more than enough angles. The hard part will be in the delivery of each major point and create that flow.

 

[billywhizz]

Yep great work. I'd start off by practicing writing letters to the families and police. Without them, book will be useless.

 

[Shadowboxer]

Yep great work. I'd start off by practicing writing letters to the families and police. Without them, book will be useless.

It will mean flying over and I really think finding the right questions to ask the families would be the hardest part of the whole book. Do they follow the blogs etc? How much of the girls injuries have the police had to share with them/the 19 year battle of waiting for that one piece to go click. How in drpth to be with them without hurting them too much.

 

[billywhizz]

Sorry that comment wasn't serious. I don't think the families would be interested in helping another person with a book.

 

[Shadowboxer]

Sorry that comment wasn't serious. I don't think the families would be interested in helping another person with a book.

I think they will want to talk once an arrest has been made. Either way, there's nearly a full book to be written on all the different angles and players just in the BF thread. So much stuff it's amazing. Spent my time in the sin bin wondering about the POI's and still have to question Why SR said he had SS in the car, or took pics of his dead girlfriend even though I don't consider him that high on the list anymore. I think there's one hell of a story to be told and you'd be surprised at the depth of my folio regards articles and Interviews. I'm actually a gifted writer. Be happy to share some privately. I've pretty much started prep work on a timeline and where and how to introduce each player. From to Droc to the footage. The different POI's and how the police were obviously just lost for so long. Probably still not sure.

 

[Bartholemeus]

And what's with TT? Could he be any more creepy?

Does anyone know when he posted those youtube vids and other comments? Has any of it happened after Droc died?