alexwood
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I wouldn't bet on that. This happened twelve months ago and only since it became public are they 'investigating' it.
But a lawsuit has now been filed.
I wouldn't bet on that. This happened twelve months ago and only since it became public are they 'investigating' it.
I took a little time to let Tom know what I thought. Left a voicemail. Then emailed. Then texted.
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Yes, 12 months later and it would not have come out without it. Their 'investigations' did not lead to anything. Only the lawsuit has.But a lawsuit has now been filed.
I think you missing what I am saying. When this happened last summer, the use of force was known and was supposed to be investigated back then. That either didn't happen, it did happen but was so cursory and inept that it revealed nothing, or it revealed what happened and they covered it up. That will come out now. So if you were in that chain of command or in that squad supposed to be investigating this, you've got a big problem right now.I wouldn't bet on that. This happened twelve months ago and only since it became public are they 'investigating' it.
And my point is, that like always, it was not seen to be misuse of force by the investigators 'investigating' themselves.I think you missing what I am saying. When this happened last summer, the use of force was known and was supposed to be investigated back then. That either didn't happen, it did happen but was so cursory and inept that it revealed nothing, or it revealed what happened and they covered it up. That will come out now. So if you were in that chain of command or in that squad supposed to be investigating this, you've got a big problem right now.
Actually what I think is that the lawsuit was filed and not much was happening until someone got ahold of some very incriminating videos and put them up on the internets... it corresponds to when the officers were put on administrative leave.. the lawsuit predated thatYes, 12 months later and it would not have come out without it. Their 'investigations' did not lead to anything. Only the lawsuit has.
I cant think of anything that the Walmart staff would say to police which deserves that treatment.I'm actually beginning to question the justification for the officer to stop her initially anyway. The Walmart employees recovered the items. So I would like to know what exactly Walmart told the police. The officer makes no attempt as far as I can hear to explain to the woman why she is being stopped.
What I would like to know is, did Walmart tell the police that this woman HAD shoplifted, or that she tried and they prevented her. Walmart would likely want an ID of the woman and a citation (not actually a citation would be warranted however). Walmart just wants that so they can ban the person from the store. Walmart will almost never pursue or participate in further criminal proceedings. So all the officer needed to do was talk to the woman and see her ID. A simple citation was the most that would have come out of this. But as she walks away he just immediately becomes confrontational. He doesn't tell her he needs to talk to her about a shoplifting claim or anything. Now, I'm not sure she would have stopped anyway in her condition. But it seems pretty clear right from the start that something isn't right about her. Why not simply follow her, or even offer to give her a ride home, if she just talks to him for a minute. Taking her to the ground so fast seems really unwarranted. And of course the use of force after that is absurd. As for the video in the police station, I just shake my head.I cant think of anything that the Walmart staff would say to police which deserves that treatment.
What I would like to know is, did Walmart tell the police that this woman HAD shoplifted, or that she tried and they prevented her. Walmart would likely want an ID of the woman and a citation (not actually a citation would be warranted however). Walmart just wants that so they can ban the person from the store. Walmart will almost never pursue or participate in further criminal proceedings. So all the officer needed to do was talk to the woman and see her ID. A simple citation was the most that would have come out of this. But as she walks away he just immediately becomes confrontational. He doesn't tell her he needs to talk to her about a shoplifting claim or anything. Now, I'm not sure she would have stopped anyway in her condition. But it seems pretty clear right from the start that something isn't right about her. Why not simply follow her, or even offer to give her a ride home, if she just talks to him for a minute. Taking her to the ground so fast seems really unwarranted. And of course the use of force after that is absurd. As for the video in the police station, I just shake my head.
So nothing is going to happen to the cops?
I had read in another article (but don't have a link) that Walmart made it clear to the police that they had taken the items from Karen Garner (i.e., she had not successfully "shoplifted" anything), but that they advised police as to which direction she went when she left the premises. (Take this with a grain of salt, as I don't have the link.)
I firmly believe that justice will be served in this case. They will all get what they deserve.
Above all, I hope this little lady receives a huge settlement so that she can live out the rest of her days in the utmost of comfort. That her loved ones can finally have peace of mind and be able to heal. While her injuries were painful, I somehow think that the injuries suffered by those who love her were even more so.