Found Deceased CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #3

[shotgun09]

I am spending the weekend catching up on this trial. What a lot of material to cover! Thank goodness for @Niner summaries and all the member posts. Watching portions of trial on YouTube, I have a few Yes or No questions if someone doesn't mind taking the time to answer.
1). Did Dylan ever tell his mother about the incriminating photos of Redwine?
2) Am I correct that Dylan didn't disclose to Mark that he had seen the photos prior to the Nov. trip with Mark when Dylan was killed?

3) Am I correct that Cory never sent copies of the photos to Dylan as Dylan requested?
Thanks in advance.

Question 1: I really don't know! I don't recall Elaine testifying about 'the photos', only Cory.

Question 2 and 3: From what I remember from Cory's testimony is that Dylan discussed the desire to confront Mark with the photos with Cory, but Cory tried to persuade Dylan not to. Cory wanted to protect Dylan from MR's reaction. So Cory never sent the photos to Dylan. Shortly after their conversation (Cory and Dylan's) Cory did confront MR ( via text?) with the knowledge of the photos. I do not recall if he let MR know that Dylan had seen them also.

Hope this helps!

 

[Chelly]

Question 1: I really don't know! I don't recall Elaine testifying about 'the photos', only Cory.

Question 2 and 3: From what I remember from Cory's testimony is that Dylan discussed the desire to confront Mark with the photos with Cory, but Cory tried to persuade Dylan not to. Cory wanted to protect Dylan from MR's reaction. So Cory never sent the photos to Dylan. Shortly after their conversation (Cory and Dylan's) Cory did confront MR ( via text?) with the knowledge of the photos. I do not recall if he let MR know that Dylan had seen them also.

Hope this helps!

Thank you @shotgun09. It does help. Whatever your recollection is, I know it is better than mine. Appreciate your reply. I am scolding myself for not following the trial sooner.

 

[Cindizzi]

I had never heard the names Selma and Richard Eikelenboom until I just saw them on the Defense Witness List. This first article mentions RE was involved in the Casey Anthony trial, among others. From the Netherlands they claim to be DNA experts and they opened a lab in Jefferson County Colorado in 2011.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...s-he-has-no-direct-dna-or-analysis-experience
DENVER -- A forensic scientist who has claimed to be a DNA expert in trials in Colorado and across the United States was discredited this week in a Denver trial, according to the Denver District Attorney's Office.

However, Richard Eikelenboom disputes that claim.

"A Denver prosecutor got Eikelenboom to admit that he had no direct DNA extraction or analysis experience, that he operates a lab that has not been accredited, that he personally failed his basic proficiency texts in 2011 and 2012, and admitted that he was a 'self-trained' in running DNA profiles," the DA's office said.


Buckle up, there’s more.

Nicole Kidman to Produce Drama Series 'Crime Farm' in Development at WarnerMedia Streaming - Variety
WarnerMedia’s streaming service is developing a drama series titled “Crime Farm” with Nicole Kidman attached to executive produce.

The series is described as a psychosexual love story that follows Selma and Richard Eikelenboom, forensic homicide experts whose marriage thrives on their all-consuming investigations into the depravity of the world’s most notorious criminals. As a seminal case upends the paradigm of their relationship, their unique, unconventional and sometimes dangerous arrangement stretches the boundaries of marriage and science to the limit.

 

[BUF]

I had never heard the names Selma and Richard Eikelenboom until I just saw them on the Defense Witness List. This first article mentions RE was involved in the Casey Anthony trial, among others. From the Netherlands they claim to be DNA experts and they opened a lab in Jefferson County Colorado in 2011.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...s-he-has-no-direct-dna-or-analysis-experience
DENVER -- A forensic scientist who has claimed to be a DNA expert in trials in Colorado and across the United States was discredited this week in a Denver trial, according to the Denver District Attorney's Office.

However, Richard Eikelenboom disputes that claim.

"A Denver prosecutor got Eikelenboom to admit that he had no direct DNA extraction or analysis experience, that he operates a lab that has not been accredited, that he personally failed his basic proficiency texts in 2011 and 2012, and admitted that he was a 'self-trained' in running DNA profiles," the DA's office said.


Buckle up, there’s more.

Nicole Kidman to Produce Drama Series 'Crime Farm' in Development at WarnerMedia Streaming - Variety
WarnerMedia’s streaming service is developing a drama series titled “Crime Farm” with Nicole Kidman attached to executive produce.

The series is described as a psychosexual love story that follows Selma and Richard Eikelenboom, forensic homicide experts whose marriage thrives on their all-consuming investigations into the depravity of the world’s most notorious criminals. As a seminal case upends the paradigm of their relationship, their unique, unconventional and sometimes dangerous arrangement stretches the boundaries of marriage and science to the limit.

Sounds like these witnesses are a bit controversial if they do testify, maybe causing even more disruption in the courtroom (sometimes not all on witness lists end up testifying). At this rate, this trial will never end.

I hope the judge, jury, and attorneys got some rest this weekend before heading into week four tomorrow…but sounded like the judge and attorneys had some work on their plates.

 

[Chelly]

I had never heard the names Selma and Richard Eikelenboom until I just saw them on the Defense Witness List. This first article mentions RE was involved in the Casey Anthony trial, among others. From the Netherlands they claim to be DNA experts and they opened a lab in Jefferson County Colorado in 2011.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/ne...s-he-has-no-direct-dna-or-analysis-experience
DENVER -- A forensic scientist who has claimed to be a DNA expert in trials in Colorado and across the United States was discredited this week in a Denver trial, according to the Denver District Attorney's Office.

However, Richard Eikelenboom disputes that claim.

"A Denver prosecutor got Eikelenboom to admit that he had no direct DNA extraction or analysis experience, that he operates a lab that has not been accredited, that he personally failed his basic proficiency texts in 2011 and 2012, and admitted that he was a 'self-trained' in running DNA profiles," the DA's office said.


Buckle up, there’s more.

Nicole Kidman to Produce Drama Series 'Crime Farm' in Development at WarnerMedia Streaming - Variety
WarnerMedia’s streaming service is developing a drama series titled “Crime Farm” with Nicole Kidman attached to executive produce.

The series is described as a psychosexual love story that follows Selma and Richard Eikelenboom, forensic homicide experts whose marriage thrives on their all-consuming investigations into the depravity of the world’s most notorious criminals. As a seminal case upends the paradigm of their relationship, their unique, unconventional and sometimes dangerous arrangement stretches the boundaries of marriage and science to the limit.

Very, very interesting background on Eikelenboom. In my mind, there is often something "off" about testimony of for-hire expert witnesses. I tend to put them in same category as jail-house-snitches and view their statements with grain of salt. I know, I know, I say this watching every trial. (Just my opinion from too many years of trial-watching)

 

[Seattle1]

Is there a chance of a claim of ineffective counsel in the future?
Judge has to talk to Moran as if he’s a child. Constantly. JMO

Lol -- if MR rounds up on all the viewer comments just referring to Moron it would be volumes! And the comments are not nice...

 

[katydid23]

Mark Redwine trial: Defense begins their case in Colorado | 9news.com

This is a good summary of the defense case so far. And I don't think they made a lot of headway yet. They are spending a lot of time trying to pin the skull damage on animal scavengers. But I think their biggest problem is 'how and why ' the remains were up on Middle Mountain.

I think the jury is going to be very focused on what happened at 9:55 pm when Dylan's phone turned off. Why did he stop communicating w/others at 8:20 pm?

The defense is going to need to explain why Dylan ended up on that steep ravine on Middle Mountain in the first place. They are just spinning their wheels with all this coyote and non-hibernating bear nonsense...JMO

 

[Chelly]

Lol -- if MR rounds up on all the viewer comments just referring to Moron it would be volumes! And the comments are not nice...

Have to agree with viewer comments on defense lawyer John Moran. Catching up with trial on YT, Moran's behavior is often cringe-worthy and sometimes laughable, imo. Just learned of his 2019 domestic assault arrest...oh well.

 

[katydid23]

Cathy Russon

#MarkRedwine - The defense begins their case today. They want to call Dr. Phil Danielson, DNA/Forensic/Genetics. There's argument on what he can be qualified in . The judge is taking under advisement.


So who is this future defense witness:? What is the controversy?

Quick Questions: DNA expert Phil Danielson on his involvement in Denver rape trial | University of Denver Magazine - Archive

Here^^ is a case from 2016 where his testimony helped free a convicted rapist.

And there was controversy from another case in 2018, where Danielson accused the LE and FBI of messing up the DNA interpretations:

Defense expert: DNA contaminated at Blagg crime scene


Danielson’s testimony was the subject of some dispute because of his lack of cooperation with court deadlines requiring him to provide prosecutors with his underlying work product until this week, toward the end of trial. Jefferson County District Judge Tamara Russell ruled last night that Danielson would be allowed to testify despite a request from prosecutors that he be excluded. She said she believed excluding Danielson would rob Blagg of a defense, but acknowledged prosecutors’ frustration, and is considering ordering defense attorneys to pay for some costs of expert witnesses from CBI.

Russell did order that Danielson not testify to any of his newer conclusions, which he was apparently still reaching as the trial progressed, including information about an alternate suspect that she already excluded from trial.

Defense expert: DNA contaminated at Blagg crime scene

University of Denver professor Phil Danielson, whose work in DNA analysis helped exonerate Clarence Moses-EL of a brutal rape and assault in Denver after nearly three decades in prison, also testified in defense of Blagg amid some controversy surrounding his methods and refusal to hand over his work to prosecutors.

 

[RANCH]

Mark Redwine trial: Defense begins their case in Colorado | 9news.com

This is a good summary of the defense case so far. And I don't think they made a lot of headway yet. They are spending a lot of timed trying to pin the skull damage on animal scavengers. But I think their biggest problem is 'how and why ' the remains were up on Middle Mountain.

I think the jury is going to be very focused on what happened at 9:55 pm when Dylan's phone turned off. Why did he stop communicating w/others at 8:20 pm?

The defense is going to need to explain why Dylan ended up on that steep ravine on Middle Mountain in the first place. JMO

I'm not sure how the defense can explain why Dylan stopped communicating at 8:20 PM on November 18th and never communicated with anyone on the morning of the 19th.

Mark claims Dylan was still at his house when he left and there where sign's that he had cereal and watched TV but Dylan made no attempt at reaching any one of his friends that he wanted to see. No texts. No calls from his phone or Mark's landline phone. No e-mail from the homes computer. Nothing.

If Dylan's phone had a dead battery he could have charged it for a little bit in order to send a text. Why didn't that happen? I think the defense will have to skip over the lack of communication because they have no good answer for it. The prosecution will bring that fact up during closing arguments to remind the jury.

You bring up a good point about the defense needing to have an explanation for why Dylan was up on Middle Mountain. It wasn't on the way to his friends. Mark mysteriously found Dylan's fishing pole so that shoots down Dylan going fishing.

Someone killed Dylan and brought his body to middle Mountain and dumped it there, leaving his remains to be scavenged by animals. Unless the defense comes up with another valid suspect who could have done that the jury will be left with Mark Redwine as the only possibility.

It will be interesting to see if the defense can deal with these issues in any kind of believable way. JMO.

 

[katydid23]

I'm not sure how the defense can explain why Dylan stopped communicating at 8:20 PM on November 18th and never communicated with anyone on the morning of the 19th.

Mark claims Dylan was still at his house when he left and there where sign's that he had cereal and watched TV but Dylan made no attempt at reaching any one of his friends that he wanted to see. No texts. No calls from his phone or Mark's landline phone. No e-mail from the homes computer. Nothing.

If Dylan's phone had a dead battery he could have charged it for a little bit in order to send a text. Why didn't that happen? I think the defense will have to skip over the lack of communication because they have no good answer for it. The prosecution will bring that fact up during closing arguments to remind the jury.

You bring up a good point about the defense needing to have an explanation for why Dylan was up on Middle Mountain. It wasn't on the way to his friends. Mark mysteriously found Dylan's fishing pole so that shoots down Dylan going fishing.

Someone killed Dylan and brought his body to middle Mountain and dumped it there, leaving his remains to be scavenged by animals. Unless the defense comes up with another valid suspect who could have done that the jury will be left with Mark Redwine as the only possibility.

It will be interesting to see if the defense can deal with these issues in any kind of believable way. JMO.

The Redwine supporters seemed to have a more plausible defense, years ago. They often defended him by saying that Dylan and his friends used to hitchhike into town. And they speculated that Dylan took off that morning to try and hitch a ride to his friend's house, but never made it.

That could create some type of reasonable doubt. But they seemed to have abandoned that narrative and gone with non-hibernating outlier bears and coyotes instead.

 

[RANCH]

I don't hold the arrest of John Moran against him in any way.

Assault case against former Redwine defense lawyer dismissed documents show.

Law enforcement accused John Moran, 42, of assaulting his ex-girlfriend by pushing her off a porch and spraying her with a water hose. But prosecutors said in court filings earlier this week that there is “insufficient evidence” to prosecute the case and moved to dismiss allegations, court documents show.

Assault case against former Redwine defense lawyer dismissed

 

[al66pine]

Dylan's Cell?

Mark Redwine trial: Defense begins their case in Colorado | 9news.com....I think the jury is going to be very focused on what happened at 9:55 pm when Dylan's phone turned off. Why did he stop communicating w/others at 8:20 pm?...JMO

@katydid23 sbm bbm Thx for your post, very salient points. My foggy memory needs a refresh, as I've not followed case closely, not watched trial.
Do these times relate to first evening that Dylan flew in, for forced visit w MR?
From Dylan's cell, no calls, texts, etc, from 8:20 pm?
And Dylan's cell was turned off at 9:55 pm?

Iirc, the last communication w his phone, was made w his buddy's cell?
And Dylan himself used his cell (call or text), not MR impersonating him?

Did prosecutor's evd show/tend to show who turned off cell? Dylan or MR?
Thx in adv. Katie or anyone?

 

[katydid23]

Now I am even more confused about Dr Danielsons upcoming testimony. In the two big cases I found, where he had a big role, he testified about the DNA being erroneously interpreted by LE.

But they don't have any DNA issues in this case do they? What is Danielson going to try and poke holes in then?

The Blood found? I am not sure what other forensics issues Danielson can argue with.

 

[RANCH]

The Redwine supporters seemed to have a more plausible defense, years ago. They often defended him by saying that Dylan and his friends used to hitchhike into town. And they speculated that Dylan took off that morning to try and hitch a ride to his friend's house, but never made it.

That could create some type of reasonable doubt. But they seemed to have abandoned that narrative and gone with non-hibernating outlier bears and coyotes instead.

The blood evidence, the blunt force trauma to Dylan's skull and Mark's own word's about those things were not known early in this case so I don't fault people who may have thought that hitch hiking was a possibility. In fact I was one of them.

The defense is in a difficult position. They have to try and focus the jury on animals scavenging and moving the skull to make it look like Mark had nothing to do with Dylan's death.

They can try to shoot down the DNA and HRD dog evidence. But I have a feeling it's going to be Mark's own word's, actions and lack of actions that they will never be able to explain. JMO.

 

[shotgun09]

I don't hold the arrest of John Moran against him in any way.

Assault case against former Redwine defense lawyer dismissed documents show.

Law enforcement accused John Moran, 42, of assaulting his ex-girlfriend by pushing her off a porch and spraying her with a water hose. But prosecutors said in court filings earlier this week that there is “insufficient evidence” to prosecute the case and moved to dismiss allegations, court documents show.

Assault case against former Redwine defense lawyer dismissed

Well, I don't care if they dropped the chance to prosecute him. I saw during the trial, one of the last female witnesses for the state was on the stand. Moran was performing his attempt at cross, and the witness attempted to clarify her statement. Moran gave her THE HAND !!! And, said "stop". <modsnip> Ruffled my feathers just a tad

 

[RANCH]

Now I am even more confused about Dr Danielsons upcoming testimony. In the two big cases I found, where he had a big role, he testified about the DNA being erroneously interpreted by LE.

But they don't have any DNA issues in this case do they? What is Danielson going to try and poke holes in then?

The Blood found? I am not sure what other forensics issues Danielson can argue with.

I'm going by memory here but I think that out of all of the blood samples found in Mark's home only one could be conclusively said to have been from Dylan. The rest were possibly from Mark, Dylan and or Cory. The blood evidence wasn't as strong as I thought it would be.

I'm assuming Dr Danielson is going to attack that blood/DNA evidence in an attempt to make it questionable to the jury. JMO

 

[Seattle1]

Now I am even more confused about Dr Danielsons upcoming testimony. In the two big cases I found, where he had a big role, he testified about the DNA being erroneously interpreted by LE.

But they don't have any DNA issues in this case do they? What is Danielson going to try and poke holes in then?

The Blood found? I am not sure what other forensics issues Danielson can argue with.

There was about 12 mins of discussion about Danielson without the jury on Friday. The defense/state discussed what he did and what the prosecution is willing to accept from him. They may have a stipulation: DNA interpretation vs DNA analysis (which was explained here).

Judge planned to study up the issue over the weekend.

ETA: Prosecution OK with DNA interpretation but does not want expert qualified on DNA analysis. The decision is still pending by Judge....

 

[RANCH]

Dylan's Cell?
@katydid23 sbm bbm Thx for your post, very salient points. My foggy memory needs a refresh, as I've not followed case closely, not watched trial.
Do these times relate to first evening that Dylan flew in, for forced visit w MR?
From Dylan's cell, no calls, texts, etc, from 8:20 pm?
And Dylan's cell was turned off at 9:55 pm?

Iirc, the last communication w his phone, was made w his buddy's cell?
And Dylan himself used his cell (call or text), not MR impersonating him?

Did prosecutor's evd show/tend to show who turned off cell? Dylan or MR?
Thx in adv. Katie or anyone?

The first and only evening that Dylan was at Mark's house. November 18th.

I can't remember what was in the last text but I don't think the prosecution has claimed that Mark impersonated Dylan.

I don't think there is way to tell who shut Dylan's phone off. Mark didn't admit to it. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Dylan's Cell?
@katydid23 sbm bbm Thx for your post, very salient points. My foggy memory needs a refresh, as I've not followed case closely, not watched trial.
Do these times relate to first evening that Dylan flew in, for forced visit w MR?
From Dylan's cell, no calls, texts, etc, from 8:20 pm?
And Dylan's cell was turned off at 9:55 pm?

Iirc, the last communication w his phone, was made w his buddy's cell?
And Dylan himself used his cell (call or text), not MR impersonating him?

Did prosecutor's evd show/tend to show who turned off cell? Dylan or MR?
Thx in adv. Katie or anyone?

The cell phone expert showed an exhibit, that charted Dylans previous cell usage. The pattern showed that Dylan usually posted/texted continuously from early am until midnight or later---especially on weekends or vacation days.

On the day he arrived in Durango, Dylan was pretty consistently texting and communicating with friends and family , and around 7 pm he is in a text exchange with friend, RN, about their plans to meet the next morning.

RN was planning a fun day, first meeting up with 2 or 3 of Dylan's good friends from back home, and going skateboarding at park. And then meeting up with a few girls that Dylan was good friends with too.

So RN was giving Dylan instructions because RN was spending night with his grandma as Mom was working. RN gave Dylan the address and was explaining how to go to back sliding door to knock, and RN would let him in. Dylan was texting that he would be dropped off around 6:3o am when his Dad had to go into town.

Dylan was adamant saying 'you'd better answer the door' cuz I am going to be there--RN saying No Problem. That was about 8 pm...

RN continued texting and asking Dylan questions about other plans he wanted to make for them. RN continued texting until 9:25. But Dylan never responded to those questions. And Dylan's phone went dead or off at 9;55 pm.

Early the next morning, RN texted Dylan saying Where Are You?

There was other testimony about the tracking of the pings of both Dylan and Mark's phones. There was only one tower that covered the cabin and Middle Mountain.

But to paraphrase, [and please correct me if I am getting this wrong, people] but they surmised that Dylans phone was turned off and stationary that night. But Marks, didnt make any calls, but was on and being used for other uses, and was in 'roaming' mode all night long. The only tower it hit was one in the neighborhood or middle mountain.