Found Deceased CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #3

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RANCH said:
The first and only evening that Dylan was at Mark's house. November 18th.

I can't remember what was in the last text but I don't think the prosecution has claimed that Mark impersonated Dylan.

I don't think there is way to tell who shut Dylan's phone off. Mark didn't admit to it. JMO
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I think by process of elimination, the jury is going to believe that Mark turned it off.

Dylan was actively engaged in his text exchange with his good friend RN, about their plans for the morning. RN was asking more questions but Dylan stopped responding. [kind of like Morphew case]

The only 2 people that could have turned off Dylan's cell that night were Dylan or the defendant.

So let's say for argument's sake, that Dylan fell fast asleep and Mark turned it off for him. That wouldn't explain why Dylan wouldn't go with Mark the next morning to get dropped off at RN's, as planned. Especially if Dylan fell asleep at 8 pm.

But even if he overslept from that---why didnt he call or text anyone while watching Nickelodian and eating cereal at 9 am? :rolleyes:

If any of the jurors have 13 yr olds, they will understand how vitally important friends are to young teens. Friends mean everything to them at that age. No way Dylan was going to ignore his friends the next morning and go hiking alone up a remote mountain instead of skateboarding with friends and a few hot girls.
 
RANCH said:
I'm going by memory here but I think that out of all of the blood samples found in Mark's home only one could be conclusively said to have been from Dylan. The rest were possibly from Mark, Dylan and or Cory. The blood evidence wasn't as strong as I thought it would be.

I'm assuming Dr Danielson is going to attack that blood/DNA evidence in an attempt to make it questionable to the jury. JMO
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The most important blood sample would be the one from under the carpet. Is that the one ascribed to Dylan?
 
katydid23 said:
The most important blood sample would be the one from under the carpet. Is that the one ascribed to Dylan?
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The testimony was very tedious so I don't recall.

I looked for a link and they don't say where the one that was determined to be Dylan's was found.
One of those samples was highly likely to belong to Dylan Redwine, and others had a profile that could match him, his father or his brother. Since they are related, Strub said the three Redwines had similar DNA profiles.
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DNA expert confirms blood was found in Mark Redwine's house | 9news.com
Strub said Dylan’s DNA could not be excluded from a number of positive tests in Mark Redwine’s living room, including a love seat cushion, a couch cushion, the floor in front of the love seat, the coffee table and the floor under a rug beneath the coffee table.
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DNA experts take stand in Mark Redwine trial

This blood/DNA testimony is vague and confusing to me. JMO
 
al66pine said:
Dylan's Cell?
@katydid23 sbm bbm Thx for your post, very salient points. My foggy memory needs a refresh, as I've not followed case closely, not watched trial.
Do these times relate to first evening that Dylan flew in, for forced visit w MR?
From Dylan's cell, no calls, texts, etc, from 8:20 pm?
And Dylan's cell was turned off at 9:55 pm?

Iirc, the last communication w his phone, was made w his buddy's cell?
And Dylan himself used his cell (call or text), not MR impersonating him?

Did prosecutor's evd show/tend to show who turned off cell? Dylan or MR?
Thx in adv. Katie or anyone?
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As far as MR impersonating DR, I got the impression that Prosecution was suggesting that when they bring up DR using his IPod to text. Please someone let me know if I’m misunderstanding.
At 1:17:49

eta I meant the last text exchange between DR and Ryan Nava.
 
I think that where the blood evidence will hit the jury the hardest is when the FBI agent told MR that they where serving a search warrant and they where going to use very sophisticated techniques to find any blood evidence that Dylan may have left behind.

That's when MR first told anyone about Dylan having a cold sore that was bleeding. When the FBI agent said that would be easy to corroborate with Dylan's mom and a flight attendant Mark's story immediately changed. Now the story was about rough housing with Dylan and he got hit in the mouth and spit out some blood.

This jury doesn't need DNA. Mark has given them enough to figure this out thru his own words. JMO.
 
Cindizzi said:
As far as MR impersonating DR, I got the impression that Prosecution was suggesting that when they bring up DR using his IPod to text. Please someone let me know if I’m misunderstanding.
At 1:17:49

eta I meant the last text exchange between DR and Ryan Nava.
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Are you talking about the "Text Plus" message at 8:48 MST saying "I'll just knock on the window." ?
 
RANCH said:
Are you talking about the "Text Plus" message at 8:48 MST saying "I'll just knock on the window." ?
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DA pointed out the far right column and said the phone number assigned had changed from 7505 to 7704. Reading from bottom to top .
Is he saying someone started a new conversation from a different device? DR iPod never found ( I realize they still got the records tho) They did a search warrant for MR iPod.
Feel like I’m misinterpreting, but WHY is he pointing this out? Can’t wait for closing arguments.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...ial_District/La_Plata/Redwine/Exhibits/35.pdf
 
Cindizzi said:
DA pointed out the far right column and said the phone number assigned had changed from 7505 to 7704. Reading from bottom to top .
Is he saying someone started a new conversation from a different device? DR iPod never found ( I realize they still got the records tho) They did a search warrant for MR iPod.
Feel like I’m misinterpreting, but WHY is he pointing this out? Can’t wait for closing arguments.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...ial_District/La_Plata/Redwine/Exhibits/35.pdf
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I think the witness said the number changes with each message. I'd have to listen again to be sure.
 
Cindizzi said:
As far as MR impersonating DR, I got the impression that Prosecution was suggesting that when they bring up DR using his IPod to text. Please someone let me know if I’m misunderstanding.
At 1:17:49

eta I meant the last text exchange between DR and Ryan Nava.
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I did not get the impression that the prosecution was alleging MR impersonated DR.

There was only one message (via "text plus" for ipod that uses wifi only) to Ryan. DR previously exchanged sms text messages with Ryan where he was going to knock on the sliding door but the message using ipod/text plus is DR advising Ryan that he will instead knock on the window.

Also, using "text plus," the user would have to identify themselves in the text since the service does not use cellular service/phone#. In this case, Dylan identified himself in the message that he would knock on the window.

I believe the prosecution established that regardless of DR using SMS text or ipod text-plus service, all communication by DR stopped shortly before 9pm.

See Peoples Exhibit #35.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user...ial_District/La_Plata/Redwine/Exhibits/35.pdf

ETA: For text-plus, see the conversation ID for tracking and not the phone #
 
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Monday, July 12th:
*Trial continues (Day 15) (@ 8am MT) - CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine (13) (last seen alive Nov. 18, 2012 when he arrived at airport, reported missing on Nov. 19, 2012, Vallecito; found about 8 miles up Middle Mountain Road, a dirt road that cuts through the San Juan National Forest, about 100 yards from the road, directly off an ATV trail on June 27, 2013 & Nov. 1, 2015 his skull was found by hikers about 1.5 miles thru rough terrain from where his remains were found, by road 5 miles.) - *Mark Allen Redwine (50 @ time of crime/55/now 59), "father" indicted (7/20/17), arrested (7/21/17 in Bellingham, WA) & charged (7/21/17) with 2nd degree murder & child abuse resulting in death. Plead not guilty. $750K bond.
Jury Trial began on 10/29/20 with jury selection & ended 11/5/20 after Judge Wilson declared mistrial on 11/9/20.
Re-Trial began on 6/14/21 with jury selection & ended 6/21/21 selecting the final 16 & trial started with opening statements in the afternoon on 6/21/21 (thru 8/2/21). 12 jurors & 4 alternates (11 men & 5 women). 1 juror was excused for having a fever (7/8/21). Now 10 men & 5 women on jury. 12 jurors & 3 alternates.
Previous court hearings from 9/10/17 thru 10/27/20 & Jury Selection (Day 1-6) 10/29/20 to 11/5/20 & 11/9/20 & info to 5/18/21 to 6/11/21 & new jury selection (Day 1-6) 6/14/21 to 6/21/21 & trial (Day 1-13) 6/21/21 to 7/8/21 reference post #325 here:
Found Deceased - CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #3
7/9/21 Friday, Trial Day 14: Judge & attorneys are on the record discussing Dr. James Ha & his upcoming testimony about HRD dogs. Prosecutors had filed (on 10/18/20) an Order Regarding the Disclosure of Dr. Ha's Expert Opinions objecting to him testifying. Jury not present yet of course. Can’t hear everything. Defense plans to call Dr. Phil Danielson as expert on DNA. Dr. Danielson will not be called this morning so Judge can look over a report from Texas Commission on Forensics regarding his reliability as an expert. The judge advised the defendant this morning of his right to testify/not testify. He did not require an answer now, that will come at the end of the defense case.
Defense witnesses: Dr. Bruce Anderson, Forensic Anthropologist, Pima County, Arizona.
See posts #348, 349, 351 & 357 for more info here:
Found Deceased - CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #3
Dr. Bruce Anderson continued.
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Found Deceased - CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #3
Dr. Bruce Anderson continued.
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Found Deceased - CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #3
Dr. Bruce Anderson continued.
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Found Deceased - CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #3
Dr. Bruce Anderson continued.
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Found Deceased - CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #3
Dr. Bruce Anderson continued.
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Found Deceased - CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #3
Jerry Apker, Area Manager of Colorado Parks & Wildlife, retired. Staff Biologist & Area Supervisor.
See posts #482 (re Dr. Ha), 486, 488, 490, 491, 493, 497 (re Dr. Anderson), 499 & 500 for more info here:
Found Deceased - CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #3
Jerry Apker continued. Dr. James Ha, expert witness in Zoology (including canines).
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Found Deceased - CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #3
Dr. James Ha continued.
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Found Deceased - CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #3
Dr. James Ha continued.
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Found Deceased - CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #3
Dr. James Ha continued.
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Found Deceased - CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #3
Dr. James Ha continued.
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Found Deceased - CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #3
Dr. James Ha continued.
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Found Deceased - CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #3
Miscellaneous posts.
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Found Deceased - CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #3
Summary of defense case & other info.
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Found Deceased - CO - Dylan Nicholas Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *father arrested* #3
Trial continues on Monday, 7/12/21.
 
Good Morning! I was listening in to motions and discussions going on, and it sounds like Dr Patterson ( DNA expert ) will not be called to the stand. The defense pulled him from their list.

Dr Hall, Animal Behaviorist appears on the screen, ( In a cozy little attic room ) while court room discussions are on going.
 
Sounds like we may only have audio of the courtroom, no video until after Dr. Ha. who is testifying remotely. Judge says not enough bandwidth.

Judge asked Defense when they might be done with their witnesses and Mr. Bogan said by end of day on Wednesday.
 
Dr. Ha will be testifying remotely in his cozy attic room. As defense noted numerous times to the judge…they did do their homework…chuckling throughout.

The judge will allow, but will see how far when questions come up.
 
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