CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #11

[aust amateur slueth]

Neither one would look favorable to ex. And any normal person is going to report a child missing from a place where this child actually went missing, instead of coming up with some wild story that had nothing to do with reality.

exactly, if he went missing from walmart then a parent would want the investigation to start there, not lie and cause LE to look miles away, of course thats if they want their child found.

 

[dlc]

About the lawyer appointment. He couldn't have made that appointment on the spur of the moment. Any time anyone I knew needed to make an appointment, it was a month out before they got one. It's not something you can make on a Friday afternoon, or a Saturday or a Sunday and have on Monday morning bright and early. No way.

So that appointment had to have been made well in advance to this visit. JMO

As far as the other stuff goes, they both look like parental prizes to me. I'd pack everything I owned and would hit the road. MOO

I have a feeling that lawyers in small towns in Colorado may have more flexible scheduling than those in Southern California.

 

[cluciano63]

If Dylan went into Walmart unescorted, and did not return to the vehicle, surely his father would be on video racing around the parking lot and the store looking for him. If this were the case, the entire investigation would be very different and not focusing on the lake, the roads, etc.

 

[dlc]

Dyaln does look happy. And his brother has a healing black eye.

He does (the brother)??

 

[PaulR]

If he handled and packed his clothes, does that leave enough scent on them?

If MR handled the clothes, yes it could remove the ability for bloodhounds to use them. I posted a few links yesterday, there are special procedures that police want to be used when gathering clothes for bloodhounds.

 

[dogsearch]

If you are looking for hard evidence to show mark did something, or prove it in court, you aren't going to find it here.

But if you are looking for clues that make all the other possibilities far less likely:
1. Phone goes dead at 8pm, and never gets turned back on - even to check text messages.
2. Friends get stood up, and Dylan doesn't try contacting them to reschedule. No phone, email, or text.
3. Dylan is wearing shorts and a t-shirt - and it's not mild weather for hiking.
4. Cadaver dogs, air scent dogs, multiple ones, hit on the lake.
5. Father has history (albeit very infrequent if more than once) of violence involving sons.
6. Father JUST lost custody in a 7 year battle, and had to fight for the visitation. He probably wouldn't be scheduled to see Dylan again for a few months (usually the other parent gets xmas, and then you swap the next year). That's expensive as well as heartwrenching and possibly angering.
7. Father gets home and doesn't worry that Dylan is not there. No note, no text, and dylan will not answer his phone. His friends are well over 30 minutes drive away, potentially in a slightly different direction, so it's not like he just stated walking there hoping to cross paths. Dylan's father doesn't call/text the mom or police until after dark (I didn't verify the time of sunset in the area, so maybe not quite dark yet?).

 

[Confusion]

If Dylan went into Walmart unescorted, and did not return to the vehicle, surely his father would be on video racing around the parking lot and the store looking for him. If this were the case, the entire investigation would be very different and not focusing on the lake, the roads, etc.

I would also hope LE would be competent enough to notice that his father wasn't in any of the video with him; at least I would hope so. From what I've been reading here, they most have pretty bad reputations there. :waitasec: Maybe somebody should contact them and have them check to see when his appointments were made - I'm sure they never thought of that. MOO (not really, but close enough!)

 

[aust amateur slueth]

BBM

What she actually said was they didn't fight over Dylan until "Elaine was awarded custody and then Mark went and asked for visitation rights." That sounds more like they fought after he was awarded visitation, not after she was awarded custody. MOO

it sounds to me as if they fought after she had been granted custody and that caused him to seek a court to get visitation.

at a guess I think maybe something happened during that september visit that caused Dylan to ring home (remember what his brother said) and that Dylan didn't wan't to go back (Dylans court statements?) so MR then applies to the court to force visitation.

ER did say that Dylan knew he had to go and was ok about it, that doesn't mean he was happy about it.

 

[AlexisFresca]

Neither one would look favorable to ex. And any normal person is going to report a child missing from a place where this child actually went missing, instead of coming up with some wild story that had nothing to do with reality.

This is where I'm going to disagree with you that that is not always the case. Just recently, that boy in Cleveland, Emeliano. His mom said he went missing while she was pushing his siblings on a swing. Yet, nearby surveilance proved that Emiliano was not in the park with them at the time she said he was. The video footage showed two children, not three, in the park with her.

There was that other case where a girl reported her baby was taken out of her car while she quickly ran into the post office. It was determined later the baby was not in the car with her; it had been found in a ditch eventually.

LE has not confirmed that Dylan was even at his dad's house. So if he wasn't, was he abducted and dad was afraid to admit it? What if Dylan was abducted shortly after exiting Walmart before he could get back to dad's truck?

I'm trying to think of other scenarios here

 

[AlexisFresca]

If MR handled the clothes, yes it could remove the ability for bloodhounds to use them. I posted a few links yesterday, there are special procedures that police want to be used when gathering clothes for bloodhounds.

If there was clothing found behind the couch and Dylan did not put them there, why would Mark put Dylan's clothes behind the couch?

 

[PaulR]

LE has not confirmed that Dylan was even at his dad's house.

I thought dogs had picked up his scent there using the clothing that ER brought.

 

[Confusion]

it sounds to me as if they fought after she had been granted custody and that caused him to seek a court to get visitation.

at a guess I think maybe something happened during that september visit that caused Dylan to ring home (remember what his brother said) and that Dylan didn't wan't to go back (Dylans court statements?) so MR then applies to the court to force visitation.

ER did say that Dylan knew he had to go and was ok about it, that doesn't mean he was happy about it.

She's said a lot of things, and so has he. I'm not going to argue with anyone about which one is telling the truth because, frankly, we don't know. I'll respond to questions about Dylan, but I'm done dealing with the conviction of MR until it's done in a court of law. MOO

 

[bessie]

I do have something - the boys said they Dylan would probably not be afraid to hitchhike. I've ruled this out personally in my head for other reasons (I listed previously in detail) but they did say that. And there was the one person who saw someone "flee" at some point.

Now that I think about it though, Mark was the first to talk to Dylan's friends, and did that before talking to anyone else. It would have been fairly easy for him to plant that suggestion during their conversation.

Personally, I speculate Mark didn't start talking hitchhiker until a few days in - after police pointed out that the other options were very unlikely (i.e. chances of a kidnapper breaking into a rural home and stealing an older child on the first day he's visiting from out of town without leaving any evidence in the few hours he's home alone , or the chance that Dylan would not contact anyone via any means after 8pm the night before and then run away). Do we know when he first stated the possibility of a hitchhiking-kidnap publically?

The friends mentioned hitchhiking in the first few days.

Novemer 27, 2012

Dylan's friends in Bayfield told The Durango Herald that Dylan was supposed to meet them Sunday night, but he changed that to Monday morning. They told the newspaper they think Dylan hitchhiked to meet them and then was abducted.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...e-task-force-created-in-missing-teenager-case

And apparently mom was concerned he might hitchhike because she cautioned him against it. She also said it would be "uncharacteristic" of Dylan to hitchhike. If she's so sure, then why did she warn him no to do it? At some point the notion must have entered her mind. I wonder why. Did she know of an instance when he did?

Similarly, while some of Dylan's Bayfield friends suggested he might hitchhike down from Vallecito to Bayfield for a scheduled visit with them, Elaine Redwine said she and Dylan had talked about being safe, including not hitchhiking.

“It would be uncharacteristic of Dylan to do that,” she said.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121203/NEWS01/121209900&template=mobileart

December 2, 2012
Redwine says he believes Dylan may have disappeared while hitchhiking in the rural area where the crime rate is generally low.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/12/02/Colorado-youth-missing-two-weeks/UPI-85631354470782/

 

[SmoothOperator]

Paul, what's illogical to a typical person is often very logical to an atypical person. Its not so far-fetched. Who's to say - in his mind, when he was with that woman under Elaine's BR window, he may well have been trying to win her back then as well! Maybe he thought the sight of him with another woman would 'wake up' Elaine, she'd realize what she lost and come crawling back to him. In dysfunction, dysfunction is the norm in their mind.

Its just like if you have two codependents who are married and don't realize they are codependent? That marriage is not going to last. Their rules on what is normal is skewed.

I have seen absolute nothing to indicate any of this.

**Quoting AlexisFresca to show the full context of the above reply**

The man was having sex with a woman other than his wife(a supposed mutual "friend" no less), outside their shared marital residence, more specifically right under the window of his wife's bedroom..not to even mention this was right in front of his son who beared witness to the overt act..

IMO if this isn't indicative of SEVERE DYSFUNCTION I'm not sure what is..jmo, tho.

**ETA- my apologies if this has already been thoroughly discussed I'm catching up from a few hours ago..

 

[aust amateur slueth]

This is where I'm going to disagree with you that that is not always the case. Just recently, that boy in Cleveland, Emeliano. His mom said he went missing while she was pushing his siblings on a swing. Yet, nearby surveilance proved that Emiliano was not in the park with them at the time she said he was. The video footage showed two children, not three, in the park with her.

There was that other case where a girl reported her baby was taken out of her car while she quickly ran into the post office. It was determined later the baby was not in the car with her; it had been found in a ditch eventually.

LE has not confirmed that Dylan was even at his dad's house. So if he wasn't, was he abducted and dad was afraid to admit it? What if Dylan was abducted shortly after exiting Walmart before he could get back to dad's truck?

I'm trying to think of other scenarios here

I'll point out the obvious in both of those cases the parent LIED to LE because THEY had harmed their child, not because someone else had taken their child, not because their child had run off.

 

[PaulR]

And apparently mom was concerned he might hitchhike because she cautioned him against it. She also said it would be "uncharacteristic" of Dylan to hitchhike. If she's so sure, then why did she warn him no to do it? At some point the notion must have entered her mind. I wonder why. Did she know of an instance when he did?

This has always bothered me. My parents never warned me against hitchhiking, because they knew I was not the type of kid who would even consider it. The stuff they did warn me against doing - that was stuff they knew or suspected I had thought about, at least.

So we have Dylan's friends who thought he'd hitchhike. His dad thought he'd hitchhike. His mom thought he'd hitchhike which is why she sat down to tell him not to do it.

Has LE accounted for and searched the homes of all the RSOs in the area yet and if not, why not?

 

[AlexisFresca]

If MR handled the clothes, yes it could remove the ability for bloodhounds to use them. I posted a few links yesterday, there are special procedures that police want to be used when gathering clothes for bloodhounds.

Sorry, I meant he as in Dylan, not Mark.

 

[AlexisFresca]

This has always bothered me. My parents never warned me against hitchhiking, because they knew I was not the type of kid who would even consider it. The stuff they did warn me against doing - that was stuff they knew or suspected I had thought about, at least.

So we have Dylan's friends who thought he'd hitchhike. His dad thought he'd hitchhike. His mom thought he'd hitchhike which is why she sat down to tell him not to do it.

Has LE accounted for and searched the homes of all the RSOs in the area yet and if not, why not?

Yes, they did check the RSO's in the area.

 

[dlc]

Drinking and driving is never a one time event. They may only get caught once, but they never just do it once.

First of all, I don't think she was stopped by a cop drinking and driving; it was her estranged husband's accusation. Secondly, I have to disagree -- certainly people can drink and drive once and not continue doing it with any regularity.


IMO

 

[Money Girl]

But see to me its not; they didn't get along, he may have been afraid of letting her know he lost Dylan that quickly getting into Durango, is all. What if he wanted time to think of how he was going to tell Elaine about it?

He said he came home from errands Monday at 11:30 and Dylan was not there. Yet he waited till around 4:30 or so before telling Elaine that Dylan was missing. Why didn't he give her the opportunity to come to Vallecito sooner to start helping to search for Dylan? Thats about a 5 hour time span she could have helped look, talking to his friends and so on.

MR has clearly stated that he had tried to text DR. First, MR went to DR's friend in Vallecito to see if DR was there. He then went to DR's friends in Bayview to see if he was there. When he discovered DR was in neither location, he got in touch with ER and said that he was going to the Marshall's office to report DR missing.

What MR did sounds like a logical sequence of events to me.