CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #19

[TxJan1971]

What you cited is for a trial. Of course a white on white TRIAL will take place in a State court and not through the tribal council since it is none of their business.

The Feds can and will "roll" through there any time they want. IMO

http://www.justice.gov/otj/fcl.htm
The United States Constitution, treaties, federal statutes, executive orders, and court decisions establish and define the unique legal and political relationship that exists between the United States and Indian tribes. Federal laws vest the Department of Justice with primary jurisdiction over most felonies that occur on Indian lands in most states. As such, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the United States Attorneys' Offices are the primary federal law enforcement agencies responsible for investigating and prosecuting most serious felony crimes that occur in Indian country including homicides, aggravated assaults, sex offenses, and large scale theft or embezzlement. Other federal law enforcement agencies are also active in Indian country; for example, the Drug Enforcement Administration (drug offenses), the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (firearms offenses and arson), United States Marshals Service (fugitives and sex offender investigations), and Customs and Border Protection (border offenses). Most common less serious misdemeanor crimes are usually investigated and prosecuted by tribal law enforcement agencies. Tribal police and tribal courts handle the majority of criminal offenses occurring in Indian country and often do so in ways that are appropriate given the priorities, needs, and resources of each particular tribal community.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/vc_majorthefts/indian

Protecting tribal communities is a little known—but highly important—responsibility of the FBI.

We’ve been helping to ensure safety and security in Indian Country* since our founding in 1908. Today, more than 100 special agents from 20 different field offices investigate cases on over 200 reservations nationwide. We work closely with a range of partners, including tribal police and federal agents from the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Our exact role varies from reservation to reservation, but we are generally responsible for the most serious crimes**—such as murder, child sexual and physical abuse, violent assaults, drug trafficking, gaming violations, and public corruption matters.

Over this discussion.

As a result of this discussion, I'm learning.... so "it's all good...." as far as I'm concerned.... Thanks for your post because it was very informative for me...

 

[Angelonline]

I really the wish that we had more from LE, their silence is deafening IMO. I cannot imagine the horrible pain Dylan's family must be in here at Christmas with no Dylan. Sending prayers for a Christmas miracle.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I missed the part where he was kicking and screaming. And until we find Dylan and he says out of his own mouth he didn't want to see his father, I'm not going to believe it. JMO

You might want to go back and read what I wrote. I never claimed he was kicking and screaming. Nor did I state like it was a fact he didn't want to go.


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[aust amateur slueth]

If this theory were true, do you think there would be a reappearance at some point? Not sure how that would work but curious to hear thoughts.

I don't get the whys of the theory, but likewise I'd be interested in hearing thoughts

Are there any cases where a child has been hidden for over a month when on an access visit?

 

[jjenny]

I don't get the whys of the theory, but likewise I'd be interested in hearing thoughts

Are there any cases where a child has been hidden for over a month when on an access visit?

Not that I know of. How would one hide a teenager to begin with? Teenagers want to be with their friends and communicate with them. Am I supposed to believe that someone can hide a 13 year old, and this 13 year old isn't communicating with any of his friends?

 

[RANCH]

Not that I know of. How would one hide a teenager to begin with? Teenagers want to be with their friends and communicate with them. Am I supposed to believe that someone can hide a 13 year old, and this 13 year old isn't communicating with any of his friends?

Jaycee Dugard was hidden in a backyard for years without anyone knowing.

 

[jjenny]

Jaycee Dugard was hidden in a backyard for years without anyone knowing.

In this kind of cases, children are terrorized to keep them in compliance. So presumably that would rule out abduction by family members.

 

[RANCH]

In this kind of cases, children are terrorized to keep them in compliance. So presumably that would rule out abduction by family members.

I'm not sure why Jaycee stayed in that backyard all of those years. But what ever the reason was, it was strong. Do you think that something as strong as that could be keeping Dylan trapped somewhere?

 

[Seajay]

You might want to go back and read what I wrote. I never claimed he was kicking and screaming. Nor did I state like it was a fact he didn't want to go.


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Granted. But I still don't think Dylan was kicking and screaming. The problem I see with encouraging kids to not follow court orders is too many custodial parents convince their kids to not see the other parent. The kid ends up wanting to please the custodial parent because that's where they have to live, so they just refuse to keep the custodial parent happy and to keep peace in the house. They are easily influenced and manipulated.

 

[Seajay]

I'm not sure why Jaycee stayed in that backyard all of those years. But what ever the reason was, it was strong. Do you think that something as strong as that could be keeping Dylan trapped somewhere?

That is always a consideration. Intimidation. I don't remember what kept Jaycee under control. I think she was brainwashed. Then after she had her children, she wouldn't leave them behind so she stayed, even if she had a chance to leave. Since she wasn't fully developed mentally, she never got the maturity to think that if she could escape and report it, her children would be taken out of there and she would have them with her. Poor thing.

 

[jjenny]

I'm not sure why Jaycee stayed in that backyard all of those years. But what ever the reason was, it was strong. Do you think that something as strong as that could be keeping Dylan trapped somewhere?

She was raped and abused. And no, I don't think Dylan is trapped somewhere.

 

[cluciano63]

The first thing LE does is account for and interview all family members when a child is missing in the midst of major custodial battles, if they are at all competent.

I find it impossible to believe that either parent has someone devoted enough to risk prison just to get Dylan out of a holiday visit. And the weeks of school that Dylan has missed are among the few during the year that can be generally fun for kids, holiday parties, etc. not to mention midterms, if they still have those.

I too think it is possible Dylan was seen on foot that morning and later it was ruled out, although I cannot see why he would take off and especially not use his phone, but am willing to consider it at least, far more than the idea of him being stashed. Many people thought Kyron had been stashed, I wonder if they still do.

 

[asyousay]

I do not get why people do not believe Elaine when she said Dylan did not want to visit his dad.

This is the same child who landed and texted mum with a unhappy frown face .

The same child who had made plans to spend the first night with friends instead of dad.

The same child who when was not allowed to visit that night made plans for 6.30am the following morning .

IMO Dylan could not want to get away from MR first thing.

None of these actions speak of Dylan wanting to spend time with dad !

MOO,IMHO

 

[GGE]

This is so frustrating. They do facebook updates a few times a day lately (the Find Dylan Redwine facebook page, I mean) but other than that there is NO news out there.

I searched google just now, clicked on "News" and then set it to show me any articles from the past 24 hours on Dylan, and there is not one single item.

He's only thirteen! A child! Doesn't anyone except us realize how young that really is? My daughter will be ten next month and she's still pretty sure Santa is real. This boy is only 36 months older than her. An innocent - and he's lost out there in the cold.

Times like this I'd be happy for Nancy Grace to even pick up his story. Anything. I think if I was his parents I'd get arrested for public drunkenness right now just to get the story back out there on every channel. Create a public fiasco for the attention if need be, do SOMETHING. YOUR CHILD. IS. MISSING.

 

[GGE]

And while I'm at it I'll throw my own opinion out there.

I think this will very sadly end up like Elizabeth and Lyric, in that I think everyone is now thinking they only need to focus on two ideas - he ran away, or the last person to see him did something to him. And because of that they're not going to find him until someone randomly comes across him when it's way, way too late. And the stranger who did this will continue to be a predator, and the public won't even know to be careful because police, while saying "the families aren't suspects and we're pretty sure foul play was involved", don't seem to care enough or believe their own ideas enough to bother warning the public to be extra careful with their children right now while they're on winter break.

Did I mention how frustrated this case makes me yet?

 

[Eileen730]

And while I'm at it I'll throw my own opinion out there.

I think this will very sadly end up like Elizabeth and Lyric, in that I think everyone is now thinking they only need to focus on two ideas - he ran away, or the last person to see him did something to him. And because of that they're not going to find him until someone randomly comes across him when it's way, way too late. And the stranger who did this will continue to be a predator, and the public won't even know to be careful because police, while saying "the families aren't suspects and we're pretty sure foul play was involved", don't seem to care enough or believe their own ideas enough to bother warning the public to be extra careful with their children right now while they're on winter break.

Did I mention how frustrated this case makes me yet?

If I recall they said "No one has been ruled out" and they suspect foul play!

 

[GGE]

If I recall they said "No one has been ruled out" and they suspect foul play!

Exactly, they won't say anything concrete. They say the parents "aren't suspects" yet "nobody has been ruled out".

All we know is they suspect foul play, and they don't have strong enough evidence/suspicions to announce a suspect, leaving the entire community and world to worry and wonder if there's a child predator at large.

Really, by saying they believe foul play was involved, what they're saying is that there's AT BEST a child killer in the community, and at worst there's a serial sexual predator in the community.

I say that because we've been told there's foul play.... foul play for a 13 year old boy either means he's been hurt and left for dead, he's been killed, or he's being held by a sexual predator.

IMHO.

 

[catswhiskers]

I do not get why people do not believe Elaine when she said Dylan did not want to visit his dad.

This is the same child who landed and texted mum with a unhappy frown face .

The same child who had made plans to spend the first night with friends instead of dad.

The same child who when was not allowed to visit that night made plans for 6.30am the following morning .

IMO Dylan could not want to get away from MR first thing.

None of these actions speak of Dylan wanting to spend time with dad !

MOO,IMHO

In my case it isn't a matter of not believing her as such, but keeping in mind that her interpretation of his feelings is probably tainted by her own feelings toward MR. I've done a fair bit of rereading MSM reports and watching clips in the past couple of days, because I have felt that in the past week or so our recollections of what we have read, then interpreted, and what are actual facts have been blurred. I don't recall ER stating that Dylan outright didn't want to visit MR. In the NG interview she kind of skirted around it, and said he was excited about seeing his friends again.

REDWINE: He texted me at about 7:06 on Sunday night and told me that he had landed and his dad had picked him up. He basically said -- I said, Did your dad get you, son? And he said, yes.
GRACE: What was his demeanor, Elaine?
REDWINE: You know, he was excited to go see his friends. He has friends in Bayfield, which is about -- oh, about 30 minutes away from Vallecito. So you know, he was really excited to go hang out with his friends in Bayfield.

I actually interpret the above BBM as ER having been the one to text Dylan first that evening. Later in the interview ER says that was the last she heard from Dylan (just after 7pm) but we now know from his friend R's phone, that Dylan was texting on and off for the next hour or so - as you would expect, texting mum was probably not his highest priority.

This exchange below also struck me as illustrating that not only did Dylan have a lot of freedom in his spare time, but that ER was again ultimately the one who initiated texts to touch base with him.

GRACE: So Elaine, let me get this straight. You`re telling me that it would be unusual for him to go to sleep at the end of the day, if he were spending the night somewhere else, and not say, Good night, I`m going to sleep?
REDWINE: Well, not necessarily going to sleep, but he would let me know where he landed for the night. So like, if he was hanging around with his friends in Bayfield, you know, he would let me know what friend he was sleeping with that night or whatever the case may be.
You know, he often did stay up later, so he didn`t always text me, but he would always generally text me in the morning when he woke up.
GRACE: Now, you didn`t hear from him since he touched down 7:06 PM. You didn`t hear from him the next morning. What did you make of that at the time?
REDWINE: You know, I didn`t really think anything of itjust because, you know, when he`s been with his dad here before, which was over Labor Day weekend was the most recent since we`ve moved -- you know, he kind of did his own thing as far as with his friends. And so I would text him and be, like, you know, Are you having fun? And it wouldn`t be a prescribed time. It would just kind of be more throughout the day, just me, you know, telling him I loved him and just kind of reaching out to him.

NG has a habit IMO of asking (bombarding) questions in a very leading way - presenting them as facts to be confirmed. So anyone would have to have their wits about them to keep their answers straight. IMO NG also jumps all over the place chronologically - in the transcript this is very evident and another thing that would keep her interviewees on their toes. Did I read somewhere she had been an attorney in a previous life? Anyhow I am only citing her interview because at least it has ER's actual words, not the paraphrased over and over again stuff from a lot of the print media.

Let's not forget that Dylan was originally expected to arrive on Saturday evening - IMO his plans to meet friends were likely to have been made earlier with that in mind. A day later I guess a typical 13yo would probably not see a problem with his dad picking him up for a planned visit and still taking him straight to his friend's place. I've been surprised that more people haven't agreed that MR wasn't being unreasonable to expect to spend some time with his son first.

Given that MR's mention of Dylan being very tired after staying up all night Saturday and not getting to bed until 4:00am on Sunday has not been contradicted by ER, and that she implied above that late nights for Dylan were not unusual - again I don't know why the idea that he may have been difficult to rouse early Monday morning is so hard to accept. An overtired teenager sleeping like a log during a holiday isn't so far fetched surely? Was he ticked off when he finally did wake up properly? I think he would have been - maybe even mad enough with dad to grab his gear and stomp on out of there.

One last quote from a couple of his friends:

“We asked (residents) about any sheds or barns where he could take shelter,” F said.
The boys said Dylan wasn’t shy about hitching rides.
“Honestly, I think he was walking into Bayfield and got taken away,” he said. W agreed. http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121124/NEWS01/121129756/Mystery-lingers-over-missing-teen--

 

[GGE]

Somehow I missed this rather detailed article from December 2. It is likely buried in past threads here, but in case anyone else missed it -
http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

"His son, who had flown in the evening before his disappearance to spend Thanksgiving with his father, badly wanted to go see friends who lived in Bayfield. Dylan had lived near there with his mother, Elaine Redwine, until July, when they moved to the Front Range.

Dylan had asked his father whether he could go to his friends' that evening after they had shopped at Walmart and eaten at a McDonald's in Durango and before the 45-minute drive to Mark's home north of Vallecito Lake. Mark said he told his son it was too late. So Dylan texted friends in Bayfield, his father said, and made arrangements to meet them the next morning.

The next morning, Dylan was sleeping on the couch where Mark Redwine now sits and where Dylan's blankets still lie jumbled. Mark said he waited until 7:30 a.m. but still couldn't rouse his son, so he told him he would return about 11. When he got back at 11:30, his son's dirty cereal bowl was beside the sink. The television was on Nickelodeon. His son's fishing pole was gone. So was his black-and-gray backpack. A few articles of clothing were left behind on the couch."

"And he is trying to deal with the added weight of knowing that some people think he had something to do with his son's disappearance because he was the last one to see him. He has contacted a criminal-defense attorney to help him with that. "

more at link

 

[catswhiskers]

Yikes my previous post didn't look that long when I was typing it here for ages! Sorry everyone!