CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #19

[mysticrose]

Colorado is notorious for being tight lipped about cases, it can get really aggravating.........

 

[GGE]

re: NG - yeah she was a prosecutor. She has said on tv before that she had no clue she was going to become one until her fiance was murdered in 1979. That set her entire career in motion and is why she is how she is.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Grace"]Nancy Grace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] if you really wanna know more.

 

[i8mypaint]

I really wish more parents taught their kids to stand up for themselves and be proactive. Dylan is 13 years old, he's not a baby. If he really didn't want to visit his dad he should have been told that flat out refusal was an option. You can't put a kicking screaming teenager on an airplane and the judge wouldn't toss his mother in jail for violating a court order, if he stood his ground.






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I'm sorry I'm behind and this may have already been addressed, flat out refusal is not an option. Mom could be charged contempt of court, jail time, loss of custody etc... I know we've talked about this before. In Colorado kids do not get a choice at any age. You can try to go to the court on their behalf but it is still up to a judge. Been there. Not fun.

 

[SCHMAE]

So according to Google map, it appears that the nearest reservation, Ignacio, is about 24.8 total miles from Vallecito or County Road 501 (1 hour 1 minute).

Broken down: From Vallecito to Bayfield, it's 12.9 miles (33 minutes) and then from Bayfield to Ignacio it is another 11.9 miles (28 minutes).

It's not nearly as close as I imagined it was.

So is there a suggestion that if Dylan were taken onto a reservation,
in essence , he could be kept there and outside LE would have no
access to anything? Or am I misunderstanding all this talk?

 

[i8mypaint]

Again I was behind, but out of curiosity is Redwine a NA name? I only ask because I have heard someone say that she thought about sending her kid to live on a reservation so the dad would never see the kid. She didn't. But could that really happen? Or would the FBI be able to go to the reservation? I'm just throwing around ideas. I think this is highly unlikely. Just a mere thought.

 

[i8mypaint]

Again I was behind, but out of curiosity is Redwine a NA name? I only ask because I have heard someone say that she thought about sending her kid to live on a reservation so the dad would never see the kid. She didn't. But could that really happen? Or would the FBI be able to go to the reservation? I'm just throwing around ideas. I think this is highly unlikely. Just a mere thought.

Not someone here. In my personal life.

 

[i8mypaint]

I tried to google it and came up with nothing...
If anyone saw the stuff I googled for missing children cases...

 

[TxLady2]

HEY '' FBI is not real good at keeping the public informed ''
I wonder if the FBI would give anyone any info if called
and asked? Can you do that sorta thing? Just call up the
fbi and ask for info ? I mean we've been waiting on local
LE and nothing,but who's to say fbi would be so tight lipped ?

From everything I've read and heard, FBI is always very tight-lipped about cases of the missing, especially children.

Do you think they will answer questions on a specific case from someone they don't know over the phone?? Please. You're a stranger, they have no way of knowing who you are or why you want to know. For all they know, you could be a pedophile or a serial killer just seeking attention.

LE rarely gives out information over the phone on specific cases to random strangers. Everything is on a need-to-know basis. If you call, you will not be able to talk to the detective in charge, unless you have information to give them, then they might call you back. Otherwise, there is a person assigned to field all calls and most of those calls never get passed on to the lead detectives, for good reason. It's a waste of their time.

 

[JustJeannie]

Again I was behind, but out of curiosity is Redwine a NA name? I only ask because I have heard someone say that she thought about sending her kid to live on a reservation so the dad would never see the kid. She didn't. But could that really happen? Or would the FBI be able to go to the reservation? I'm just throwing around ideas. I think this is highly unlikely. Just a mere thought.

BBM

http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?view=1&surname=redwine

Per Ancestry.com it is an "Americanized form of South German Rettwein"

 

[Bravo]

There is a very heartfelt post by Denise (friend). Also states Dad was by to pick up bracelets and flyers to pass out to truckers.


https://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine

 

[Eileen730]

Exactly, they won't say anything concrete. They say the parents "aren't suspects" yet "nobody has been ruled out".

All we know is they suspect foul play, and they don't have strong enough evidence/suspicions to announce a suspect, leaving the entire community and world to worry and wonder if there's a child predator at large.

Really, by saying they believe foul play was involved, what they're saying is that there's AT BEST a child killer in the community, and at worst there's a serial sexual predator in the community.

I say that because we've been told there's foul play.... foul play for a 13 year old boy either means he's been hurt and left for dead, he's been killed, or he's being held by a sexual predator.

IMHO.

They wont say they have a suspect till they have concrete evidence. Wise!
I feel they know what happend. They need to find Dylan to prove it.
I dont think there is any evidence of Dylan in Dads house at all and wahtever is there was placed after the fact. The past relationship and all that had transpired between these ppl have left a track record. Two boys that in the past that attacked the dad and then the young son being made to go visit dad is a HUGE problem for me...I believe MOM and EX wife. I wont back up a guy that has
2 women with problems with him and 4 kids that dont even know him this man has problems... and then his child goes missing on his watch....

Im sorry!
That boy is there somewhere!

All JMO

 

[Eileen730]

I don't get the whys of the theory, but likewise I'd be interested in hearing thoughts

Are there any cases where a child has been hidden for over a month when on an access visit?

Why go thru all the drama?
Heck just pack up and gooooooooooooooooo.
Tell mom your taking a road trip bb when they get back and then just disappear.
Why go thru all this?

Something happend to that child and I do not think he is comming home!
All JMO

 

[i8mypaint]

BBM

http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?view=1&surname=redwine

Per Ancestry.com it is an "Americanized form of South German Rettwein"

Thank you

 

[TxLady2]

I think they are looking at prison time, if this actually happened. You don't steal a child, even your own, and then stand by while LE and FBI, etc. raise an expensive criminal investigation. Also, neither parent can legally withhold the child from the other. I would imagine a list of charges could be brought.

Not to mention, I still do not see the original point of doing so, even if it was a stupid one.

Right.

Not arguing with what you said, but we all know people who do stupid things and don't consider the consequences down the road. People who do things on a whim, out of anger, resentment, whatever, even knowing they're breaking the law but at that moment, just too worked up to think about the wrong they're doing and what it will cost them later.

If every person in the world followed the law, or even had the foresight to think before they act, we wouldn't have so many overcrowded prisons.

I don't know if that theory of someone hiding Dylan is plausible or not, but other parents have tried it and a few have probably succeeded, for awhile.

 

[Amster]

I do not get why people do not believe Elaine when she said Dylan did not want to visit his dad.

This is the same child who landed and texted mum with a unhappy frown face .

The same child who had made plans to spend the first night with friends instead of dad.

The same child who when was not allowed to visit that night made plans for 6.30am the following morning .

IMO Dylan could not want to get away from MR first thing.

None of these actions speak of Dylan wanting to spend time with dad !

MOO,IMHO

Dylan was supposed to arrive on Sat. He planned to visit friends on Sun.

 

[cluciano63]

Right.

Not arguing with what you said, but we all know people who do stupid things and don't consider the consequences down the road. People who do things on a whim, out of anger, resentment, whatever, even knowing they're breaking the law but at that moment, just too worked up to think about the wrong they're doing and what it will cost them later.

If every person in the world followed the law, or even had the foresight to think before they act, we wouldn't have so many overcrowded prisons.

I don't know if that theory of someone hiding Dylan is plausible or not, but other parents have tried it and a few have probably succeeded, for awhile.

But they hide with the child.

 

[The Cheese]

That is always a consideration. Intimidation. I don't remember what kept Jaycee under control. I think she was brainwashed. Then after she had her children, she wouldn't leave them behind so she stayed, even if she had a chance to leave. Since she wasn't fully developed mentally, she never got the maturity to think that if she could escape and report it, her children would be taken out of there and she would have them with her. Poor thing.

Jaycee also worked, and interacted with people. Steven Stayner went to school for years after he was abducted.

That's why it's so important to get these kids' flyers out there to as many people as possible. Think of all the people who saw Jaycee and saw Steven. All it would have taken was one person who had seen a picture to call 911 and say they think they might have seen them. But no one did.

#26Acts of Kindness for Christmas in honor of the victims in Newtown - post Dylan's reward poster on the internet somewhere it hasn't already been posted. Put it up in your town. While you're out shopping, hand it to 26 different people.

Do it for just one missing child. Do it for 26 different missing children. I'm disabled, rarely get out, but once a week I do go out on my little scooter up the street to grocery shop. I always take flyers with me, and hand them to people and tell them the child is missing, to please just look at their face and remember them, and call 911 if they see them.

There are so many missing children out there, and nobody can convince me they are all dead. Some of them are out there. One of them could be in your town. In a backyard tent. Going to school. Walking around. Running in a convenience store to grab food.

Hand just one flyer to one person. They are not all dead. Some of them are waiting in misery and torment to be found. It only takes one person to think they might recognize them. They can't do that without that picture.

Now back to your regular scheduled program -

 

[ThePhantom]

Hmmm. My experience has been different with different law enforcement agencies. Some will not speak, a few have spoken to me. One agency did view my interest somewhat suspiciously and asked me a hundred questions. Some agencies have respect for Websleuths and the Doenetwork, some have never heard of them. I have directed some to the respective websites so they could learn more. I have never had the same experience twice. Policies for each agency exist, but each interaction I have had has been unique, strangely.

This is my experience only, of course.

I wouldn't hesitate to engage the FBI or any other agency about Dylan, if I had an honest inquiry about a facet of the case.

I'm glad Websleuthers are open to various approaches to looking into Dylan's disappearance. I imagine we will be told if our help/interest is no longer desired.

 

[cluciano63]

I am not as trusting of LE as I once was. I have been following crime, FWIW, for years, and in my opinion, success seems to be greater when they engage with the public. People may not always pay attention to little articles updating known info, but perhaps more so to specially scheduled press conferences. They have the power to claim the attention of the public whenever they choose. Many say they must not help. Indeed, is it acceptable for Dylan not to be located, if deceased?

As far as I can tell, they are no closer to finding him, alive or otherwise. I hope their silence is not the silence of some LE agencies sticking to the practices of the past. I hope to be proven wrong about my doubts as to the handling of this case.

I just don't get it. And now I will cease harping on my discontent, lol.

 

[mmmagique]

I really wish more parents taught their kids to stand up for themselves and be proactive. Dylan is 13 years old, he's not a baby. If he really didn't want to visit his dad he should have been told that flat out refusal was an option. You can't put a kicking screaming teenager on an airplane and the judge wouldn't toss his mother in jail for violating a court order, if he stood his ground.






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Many judges issue contempt of court citations every single day for just this very reason.