CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #43

[catswhiskers]

Once again, we only have MR 's statement about being told the test was inconclusive, with no verification, as in almost everything about this case.

And to be fair, we haven't seen anyone else's polygraph results verified either.

 

[RANCH]

And to be fair, we haven't seen anyone else's polygraph results verified either.

That's true, but I still don't give the results any credence.

 

[katydid23]

I would imagine that he wouldn't have his client on the stand at all if he knew that he was guilty. That never seems to work well for the defendant.

Wouldn't he still what to know the facts from his client even if those facts incriminated him?

No, because then he could not put up a rigorous defense. For example, his client might have a girlfriend that would testify that she was home with him all evening and they watched a movie and went to sleep. That would be a great alibi.

But if the defense attorney KNEW that was a lie, he could not put the witness on the stand. So sometimes, the less he knows the better.

 

[Salem]

If I read the rules correctly I think we can also link to MSM Facebook pages about the case, with similar limitations in terms of discussing. I hope I got that right.

You may link to MSM facebooks and you may discuss info from the REPORTERS - NOT from the comments section. It needs to be something the MSM is releasing as news.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[cluciano63]

That's true, but I still don't give the results any credence.

Yes, we got that.

 

[katydid23]

You may link to MSM facebooks and you may discuss info from the REPORTERS - NOT from the comments section. It needs to be something the MSM is releasing as news.

Thanks,

Salem

How about family members? Cory has said many times that his father has been asked to take another poly, but refuses. Is that allowed ?

 

[Kamille]

How about family members? Cory has said many times that his father has been asked to take another poly, but refuses. Is that allowed ?

I also thought that azgrandma confirmed that on this board? :waitasec:

 

[RANCH]

No, because then he could not put up a rigorous defense. For example, his client might have a girlfriend that would testify that she was home with him all evening and they watched a movie and went to sleep. That would be a great alibi.

But if the defense attorney KNEW that was a lie, he could not put the witness on the stand. So sometimes, the less he knows the better.

Your example implies that it's a fact that the defense attorney KNOWS for a fact that the alibi is false. What if there is no way to prove this was a fact or not at trial?

 

[RANCH]

Yes, we got that.

I'm not so sure about that myself.

 

[Salem]

How about family members? Cory has said many times that his father has been asked to take another poly, but refuses. Is that allowed ?

No -- unless Cory has said it in MSM.

I have that question tonight. I see lots of posters stating it as fact that LE asked MR to take another poly - but I haven't seen that in MSM or on Dr.Phil. Did I miss something?

Salem

 

[Salem]

I also thought that azgrandma confirmed that on this board? :waitasec:

I don't think I've seen that? I believe that azgrandma confirmed that CR said LE asked for a second poly ..... but as far as I know, we haven't seen anything official yet.

This is a bit of a sticking point with me, because I think it tends to give some indication as to what LE is thinking.... maybe.... and I would really like to see something official that says LE asked for another poly (or not).

Salem

 

[katydid23]

Your example implies that it's a fact that the defense attorney KNOWS for a fact that the alibi is false. What if there is no way to prove this was a fact or not at trial?

What I am saying is that a defense attorney does not typically want a guilty client to confess to him. Because then the attorney cannot put anyone on the stand that conflicts with that knowledge.

So, in my example, if the atty knew the client was guilty, then he would obviously know the alibi was false. In effect, he would know that any alibi was false. See the problem there?

So it is better for the client NOT to admit his guilt to the attorney so the attorney can believe in his innocence and put up a full defense.

ETA; It does not matter if it can be proven to be a fact or not at trial. It is against the law for an attorney to knowingly put false testimony into the court record.

 

[katydid23]

No -- unless Cory has said it in MSM.

I have that question tonight. I see lots of posters stating it as fact that LE asked MR to take another poly - but I haven't seen that in MSM or on Dr.Phil. Did I miss something?

Salem

I think he did say it in Durango Herald long ago. I will try and find it. But the problem is that when they update their stories sometimes the old ones get erased. It is very annoying.

ETA; Just found an msm source:
http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1112

"Hey everybody so this weekend is simply a rally to put pressure on mark," Cory Redwine wrote on Team Dylan, a Facebook page. "I want it to be peaceful and certainly not be a mob. This is all to find Dylan and not to bring any negative image to the people who care about him but most of all to Dylan. We just need to put pressure on the fact that mark hasn't taken a polygraph and that no effort has been shown."

 

[RANCH]

I don't think I've seen that? I believe that azgrandma confirmed that CR said LE asked for a second poly ..... but as far as I know, we haven't seen anything official yet.

This is a bit of a sticking point with me, because I think it tends to give some indication as to what LE is thinking.... maybe.... and I would really like to see something official that says LE asked for another poly (or not).

Salem

I agree with you Salem. It's one thing to say that Mark refused to take a polygraph with the Dr Phil show but refusing to take one when asked by the LE agency investigating the disappearance of his son would suggest a lack of cooperation with LE.

That takes things to a different level in my opinion.

 

[RANCH]

What I am saying is that a defense attorney does not typically want a guilty client to confess to him. Because then the attorney cannot put anyone on the stand that conflicts with that knowledge.

So, in my example, if the atty knew the client was guilty, then he would obviously know the alibi was false. In effect, he would know that any alibi was false. See the problem there?

So it is better for the client NOT to admit his guilt to the attorney so the attorney can believe in his innocence and put up a full defense.

ETA; It does not matter if it can be proven to be a fact or not at trial. It is against the law for an attorney to knowingly put false testimony into the court record.

I think that we have to agree to disagree on this one because I still don't understand how the defense attorney would know that the client is guilty and know that the alibi is false at the same time unless the client told him he was guilty at the get go.

 

[katydid23]

Here is an MSM source for CR's comments:


"Hey everybody so this weekend is simply a rally to put pressure on mark," Cory Redwine wrote on Team Dylan, a Facebook page. "I want it to be peaceful and certainly not be a mob. This is all to find Dylan and not to bring any negative image to the people who care about him but most of all to Dylan. We just need to put pressure on the fact that mark hasn't taken a polygraph and that no effort has been shown."

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1112

 

[katydid23]

I think that we have to agree to disagree on this one because I still don't understand how the defense attorney would know that the client is guilty and know that the alibi is false at the same time unless the client told him he was guilty at the get go.

That is my point. I thought that was what we were discussing from the start.:waitasec:

I thought that you said that an attorney needs to know all of the facts of the case from the client. And I said, yes, unless they are guilty. And in that case, it is best they do not share that info with their attorney. Isn't that what we were discussing?

 

[The Cheese]

I don't think I've seen that? I believe that azgrandma confirmed that CR said LE asked for a second poly ..... but as far as I know, we haven't seen anything official yet.

This is a bit of a sticking point with me, because I think it tends to give some indication as to what LE is thinking.... maybe.... and I would really like to see something official that says LE asked for another poly (or not).

Salem

The only thing LE has stated is that MR and ER took polys, and that they won't make further comment about them.

 

[Salem]

But that doesn't show that LE asked for a 2nd poly. That's the problem. There could be a number of reasons why LE hasn't asked for a poly. Or maybe they did and we just don't know that yet.

Salem

 

[RANCH]

Here is an MSM source for CR's comments:


"Hey everybody so this weekend is simply a rally to put pressure on mark," Cory Redwine wrote on Team Dylan, a Facebook page. "I want it to be peaceful and certainly not be a mob. This is all to find Dylan and not to bring any negative image to the people who care about him but most of all to Dylan. We just need to put pressure on the fact that mark hasn't taken a polygraph and that no effort has been shown."

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1112

That quote says that Mark hasn't taken a polygraph when we know that he has. Does that mean that Cory is mistaken about that fact?

Or is he talking about an alleged request from LE? Hard to say isn't it? That puts it into the rumor pile in my opinion.