CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #44

[Psychic Sleuth]

The problem i have with Mark taking his phone ( theory) is that as soon as Mark leaves there is facebook and the landline that Dylan could use to explain the situation . In today's day and age there are various ways to communicate with the world.


:cow:

And an ipod with texting capabilities.

 

[Eileen730]

I totally agree. I've always wondered how they would identify the owner of the pole, who identified it and I thought I read it was returned to the owner (although I would need to pull links to prove that even to myself).

If it was Dylan's that would seem to support that MR did it and is trying to create an accident scenario. IMO.

Technically LE could say they did not find dylans fishing pole because it was Marks!

Get my drift!
and it could very well have been indentified by Cory!

JMO

 

[azgrandma]

Wonder how much longer we will repeat the same messages over and over and keep discussing Dr. Phil?
Hoping LE will issue a news release soon, so that we can actually move on and help with finding Dylan.

BBM - I personally will continue to repeat & discuss until Dylan comes home.

 

[tresptip]

Hmmm is the lake a diversion, away from where Dylan might actually be, if MR invovled.?? Instead of where he may be 'indicating' ... where is he NOT 'indicating'?

Thats what I think.

 

[Eileen730]

You would think if he had taken his phone,that he would have given it back to him in the morning unless he took his phone away because he knew Dylan would never be needing it again.

I think he took the phone away and they had a fight. Dylan lost!

You can see by dylans face in Walmart he is not a happy camper!
Why have we not seen Dad in these pics?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

LOL could be a misleading indication. But I really think he needs Dylan to be found (if he did do it). He really doesn't want to continue paying Elaine CS.

IMO from what I have seen MR does not appear to be the sharpest tool in the shed. I think this could be very simple (as I explained on the last page) but the plan is not successful if Dylan is not found.

If so, he sure didn't pick a good location to leave him or his things then. He could have put Dylan and/or his backpack, in many places where he would have been found right away.

I realize that the thought is he is not very sharp and maybe his plan backfired on him, but I really don't think this was a premeditated crime by MR.

 

[The Cheese]

I don't know when the phone stopped connecting with the cell tower, but you explained the other day to me how you came to that conclusion, and I appreciate that, and respect your opinion.

I think Dylan, having been up until 4am Sunday morning, and traveled all afternoon, may well have been tired and fallen asleep. Or he might also have stayed up watching TV.

In either case, and in the morning, it's certainly feasible to me that Dylan simply didn't return any more texts or initiate any texts. I came to the conclusion

(based on Elaine's statements (NG 12/3 & Blasius), as well as on her behavior (not being surprised or upset or concerned and not taking any action to determine if something was wrong when Dylan didn't return her text Sunday night and she apparently just went to bed and didn't try to contact Dylan, and the same when Dylan didn't return her text she sent Monday morning she wasn't surprised or upset or concerned but apparently just went on to work and didn't try to contact Dylan all day), and the behavior of Dylan's friend R who wasn't upset or concerned until late afternoon when MR showed up and simply sent a where are you text at 6:46am and a come to nando's text at about 10am and didn't contact ER))

that it was not unusual or uncommon but well within Dylan's norm not to text or text back to people.

It's very feasible therefore that Dylan may have in the morning, as Bender said, left the house and been abducted, or as Bender also said, something may have happened at the house, that being someone came to the house and abducted Dylan. Perhaps planned, perhaps unplanned - non-family abductors are frequently known in some way to the child or the child to them. Sexual predator non-family abductors are frequently opportunists, not planning, but seeing an opportunity to abduct, take advantage of the situation.

Bender's statement - "He either left the house and someone abducted him or something happened while he was still at the house. I could not think of a 3rd possibility," said Dan Bender, spokesman from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office.

Info on non-family abductions - Nonfamily Abducted Children:
National Estimates and Characteristics - http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/nismart2_nonfamily.pdf

Info on family abductions - http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/publications/NC75.pdf

Info on family abductions, non-family abductions, stereotypical kidnappings, runaways, thrownaways, lost, injured, otherwise missing, attempted abductions, child homicide, and more from NCMEC - http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/TTT_Presentation.pdf

Snipped by me to keep it brief and address a particular portion.

BBM - ER did receive a return text from DR, she asked (paraphrasing) if his dad picked him up. DR responded with yeah and a scowl face. (NG interview)

ER said texted Dylan a 2nd time Sunday night after the dad pick up text and again Monday morning, neither of which he replied to. Please see the Blasius interview I referenced in my post.

IMO there would be no need for ER to be surprised, upset or concerned if DR did not text her on Monday, apparantly she thought DR was with his father and had no idea that he had not been seen by MR for over 9 hours and she had no idea that he had not been communicating with anyone for over 21 hours. But she sure as heck did become surprised, upset and concerned within moments of discovering at least one of those facts.

We see this differently, and that's fine.

2nd BBM - facts from ER's direct statements on NG - Dylan was an avid texter, his phone was smoking, etc. Do you have a link that indicates it was within his norm to not text or text back to people? TIA

Although it's just my opinion as indicated in my post and therefore no link required if I understand the rules correctly, I did include the references e.g. NG 12/3 and Blasius in my post in explaining how I arrived at my opinion based on statements and behavior.

NG transcripts are on the CNN transcript website. Txjan's transcript of the Blasius interview is in the media thread. If you can't readily find them, please feel free to let me know and I'll assist.


Here's an example, a part of, what led me to my opinion -

Elaine Redwine:
Umm... As he always does, he texted me and let me know that his dad had picked him up, and that was the last time I heard from him.

Melissa Blasius:
What time of day was that?

Elaine Redwine:
That was at 7:06 p.m. on Sunday night, and I had not heard, I have not heard from him since then.

Melissa Blasius:
Did you try to get a hold of him on Monday?

Elaine Redwine:
I texted him. I texted him Sunday night, and I texted him Monday morning,
but, you know…it wasn’t uncharacteristic of Dylan not to text me back right away especially if he was with his friends which is what I kind of assumed… umm…you know, had happened because I know he was really excited to see his friends, umm… so I really didn’t think much of it umm…. and then…that afternoon I got a text from his dad asking me if I knew where Dylan was.

 

[sreshowtime]

sitting on the fence thinking stuff Is it possible that MR has a problem with alcohol, that might contribute to him having blackouts?

I shall not bore you with my ex's shenanigans during such.


http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh27-2/186-196.htm

snipped-

Large quantities of alcohol, particularly if consumed rapidly, can produce a blackout, an interval of time for which the intoxicated person cannot recall key details of events, or even entire events. En bloc blackouts are stretches of time for which the person has no memory whatsoever. Fragmentary blackouts are episodes for which the drinker’s memory is spotty, with “islands” of memory providing some insight into what transpired, and for which more recall usually is possible if the drinker is cued by others. Blackouts are much more common among social drinkers than previously assumed and should be viewed as a potential consequence of acute intoxication regardless of age or whether one is clinically dependent upon alcohol.

 

[tresptip]

I think he took the phone away and they had a fight. Dylan lost!

You can see by dylans face in Walmart he is not a happy camper!
Why have we not seen Dad in these pics?

The Walmart pics to me look like just a normal person walking around Walmart.I really can't see any anger in his face,not to say he didn't have any.Maybe Dylan told his dad that he was going to go look at something.
Was there any proof of them both being at McDonalds?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I think he took the phone away and they had a fight. Dylan lost!

You can see by dylans face in Walmart he is not a happy camper!
Why have we not seen Dad in these pics?

I don't doubt at all that Dylan was not happy that he couldn't go to his friends that night. He had been planning it all day and dad probably wasn't consulted about the plans. So, if Dylan says drop me off after he gets picked up at the airport, then I can see MR saying no, your coming home with me tonight. As a parent, that's what I would do. I never liked my daughter throwing things at me at the last minute. She was raised to discuss plans with me in advance. There were also many times that we made plans and she would at the last minute make plans with her friends after I made arrangements to my schedule, ordered tickets, made reservations, etc. Sometimes parents just have to say no. I don't believe in kids ruling the household. Usually when that happens there are no parental boundaries and the home becomes chaos. The trick is to find a happy medium.

What I had to laugh at :floorlaugh: was looking at a lot of Dylans family pictures, even when he was little, he is not smiling and in some looks very unhappy. The Walmart photo, may just be Dylans look when he is not running around playing with his buds. I've never seen a "good" Walmart photo. :floorlaugh:

 

[Alicia_marie]

So I was looking at the map around MR's place and I noticed an RV park nearby. Does anyone think it is possible that DR could have been picked up by someone staying in that RV park and the perp took off a has him locked in an RV on the road with him somewhere? It would make the perp hard to trace. Might be a convenient way for pedos to pick up kids.

 

[Eileen730]

The Walmart pics to me look like just a normal person walking around Walmart.I really can't see any anger in his face,not to say he didn't have any.Maybe Dylan told his dad that he was going to go look at something.
Was there any proof of them both being at McDonalds?

To me he looks totally upset!
A better word would be despondant!


Not sure about proof at McD's

 

[*Lash*]

This is an excellent question! I'll spend some time this evening on maps, see what the geography and access is like around some of the other reservoirs. Vallecito Reservoir is an obvious place to look because of easy access (right along the road) IMO

This is a statement from Dylan's friend. I have always wondered if this area was checked. I'm uncertain if Pine River flows into or out of the reservoir.

Dylan's friend also indicates the boys used their bikes.

During the summer, Dylan and his friends would pile three or four to a bicycle and cruise down to the Pine River, said Wesley Herring, who has known Dylan since elementary school.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/0/NEWS03/A-boy’s-life

 

[Redhead72]

Hi all, just checking in before I catch up on the thread. I saw some comments about when/if MR noticed the fishing pole missing, where the fishing pole was, etc... I was wondering if anyone had already pulled the quotes from the DP show transcript where C indicated that the fishing pole was always in the garage, not in the house. And where C asked MR point-blank how he figured out the fishing pole was missing, before his bike, and the footprints. (This may be new information really - I don't remember Dylan's bike ever being discussed before, and people have mentioned the footprints)

Anyway, if someone has already hashed this part out, then I'm sure I'll find it somewhere among the 9 pages I have to catch up on! lol If not, then I will post what I'm collecting together for myself from the available DP transcripts. I am also going to be re-watching the show yet again because I've yet to figure out in what portion I remember seeing MR pointing and saying something about the marina, but I haven't found that anywhere in the transcripts - at least not as I remember it, but I could be confused, or combining two parts that stuck out to me.

Off to catch up on the thread, but will check back to the end page in a bit to see if I have any reply.

TIA

 

[Eileen730]

This is a statement from Dylan's friend. I have always wondered if this area was checked. I'm uncertain if Pine River flows into or out of the reservoir.

Dylan's friend also indicates the boys used their bikes.

During the summer, Dylan and his friends would pile three or four to a bicycle and cruise down to the Pine River, said Wesley Herring, who has known Dylan since elementary school.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/0/NEWS03/A-boy’s-life

Isnt there a pine river campground!

 

[sreshowtime]

Interesting AliciaM...hmmm wouldn't even have to have been someone staying there, just a trailer in general., or one leaving town.

 

[asyousay]

I still do not believe for one second when Dylan was so eager to see R that Monday morning that he then decided to go off fishing by himself.

He wanted to spend time with his friends and yet he took his pole and went off by himself when he had plans with friends ?!

:cow:

 

[The Cheese]

Why did LE go to THIS lake to begin with? Because that is where MR was directing them.

It was reported that the lake was searched because of the broken fishing pole found there -

A few days ago, there was a spark of hope after part of a fishing pole was found on a dam, prompting a two-day search of the area that turned up empty.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/national_world&id=8903347

I've always wondered who found that broken fishing pole and reported it to LE. It's my opinion that LE was told it was Dylan's pole. Somewhere in there IMO lies the story of how LE came to search the lake, and why they seem uninterested in searching it further. I don't think it has to do with MR.

All just my opinion. :twocents:

 

[tresptip]

I think he took the phone away and they had a fight. Dylan lost!

You can see by dylans face in Walmart he is not a happy camper!
Why have we not seen Dad in these pics?

When do you think he took the phone away?
Dylan stiil had possesion of the phone while he was in Walmart at 7:05 because he texted Ryan at 8:01 p.m saying yea.

 

[Eileen730]

I don't doubt at all that Dylan was not happy that he couldn't go to his friends that night. He had been planning it all day and dad probably wasn't consulted about the plans. So, if Dylan says drop me off after he gets picked up at the airport, then I can see MR saying no, your coming home with me tonight. As a parent, that's what I would do. I never liked my daughter throwing things at me at the last minute. She was raised to discuss plans with me in advance. There were also many times that we made plans and she would at the last minute make plans with her friends after I made arrangements to my schedule, ordered tickets, made reservations, etc. Sometimes parents just have to say no. I don't believe in kids ruling the household. Usually when that happens there are no parental boundaries and the home becomes chaos. The trick is to find a happy medium.

What I had to laugh at :floorlaugh: was looking at a lot of Dylans family pictures, even when he was little, he is not smiling and in some looks very unhappy. The Walmart photo, may just be Dylans look when he is not running around playing with his buds. I've never seen a "good" Walmart photo. :floorlaugh:

Well as for the pic your right he never smiles but he still looks upset to me.

As for dylan being upset about not going to R's Id say yes but i have to say
Mark should have called him long before he got on that plane and asked him what hed like to do while there. He didnt and his son made his own plans.
That was not dylans fault that was his father fault...