CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #46

[Emma Ems]

I am looking at this in terms of if I were on a committee to help with anything. If I were viewing this from a certain standpoint and I wanted to help with something, I would look at delegation. Fundraiser Organizer, check. Flier Artwork person, check. I would be looking at what bases are covered and which are not, and the bases that aren't covered are where I would try to focus my effort. What do you do, though if it seems all bases are being covered?

 

[song22]

If that is the case, that names don't have to be given, how do we know if Mark has or hasn't donated to the fund?

So, do you think if MR has donated to a fund, that it is more likely this was a stranger abduction or an accident?

 

[song22]

I am looking at this in terms of if I were on a committee to help with anything. If I were viewing this from a certain standpoint and I wanted to help with something, I would look at delegation. Fundraiser Organizer, check. Flier Artwork person, check. I would be looking at what bases are covered and which are not, and the bases that aren't covered are where I would try to focus my effort. What do you do, though if it seems all bases are being covered?

Do you mean that since ER has already done these things, there's nothing more for him to do?

 

[Emma Ems]

So, do you think if MR has donated to a fund, that it is more likely this was a stranger abduction or an accident?

I have stated before to me that it's as likely a stranger has abducted Dylan as it is likely Mark has done something, based on all the known facts. My response is to the general outcry that he has done nothing to help the search efforts for his son. If he has donated wouldn't that show that he has done something in regards to helping the search effort as well as if he has donated how would we know if it's private?

 

[asyousay]

I am looking at this in terms of if I were on a committee to help with anything. If I were viewing this from a certain standpoint and I wanted to help with something, I would look at delegation. Fundraiser Organizer, check. Flier Artwork person, check. I would be looking at what bases are covered and which are not, and the bases that aren't covered are where I would try to focus my effort. What do you do, though if it seems all bases are being covered?

I honestly do not get this logic . The more awareness that is out the better and why should Elaine do it all ?

She is grieving and yet its her that is putting forth all the effort including tv,radio,fund raisers , prayer vigil and birthday celebrations .

:cow: :cow:

Elaine does not have the luxury of sitting at home and twiddling her thumbs all day :cow:

 

[Emma Ems]

Do you mean that since ER has already done these things, there's nothing more for him to do?

Not at all. I am asking what would anyone do if the bases all seemed covered. There are many things he can do that are not exactly worthy of being publicized, for example handing out fliers, or hanging them on shop windows when he is on the road. He could sell personal items and donate them to the anonymous fund, if indeed his efforts are being turned down when it's known they are coming from him.

 

[asyousay]

I have stated before to me that it's as likely a stranger has abducted Dylan as it is likely Mark has done something, based on all the known facts. My response is to the general outcry that he has done nothing to help the search efforts for his son. If he has donated wouldn't that show that he has done something in regards to helping the search effort as well as if he has donated how would we know if it's private?

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Dylan makes plans for 6:30am and sleeps in

Dylan does not contact anybody even tho he is avid texter and the phone worked the night before and Dylan was active on it

Dylan decides without contacting anybody to set out on foot even tho Mark has agreed to come back and pick him up that morning

Mark decides to take a nap when he has tried to contact Dylan and can not reach him and even when he gets home and Dylan is not there he goes to bed for a few hours

This would be abductor (if it exists) had the best luck in the world if i take all these co-wink-dinks and look beyond Mark.


:cow:

 

[song22]

I have stated before to me that it's as likely a stranger has abducted Dylan as it is likely Mark has done something, based on all the known facts. My response is to the general outcry that he has done nothing to help the search efforts for his son. If he has donated wouldn't that show that he has done something in regards to helping the search effort as well as if he has donated how would we know if it's private?

Gotcha. We do not have any evidence that MR has or has not provided funds anonymously.

We do know ER is doing a lot with fundraising, social networking and media appearances as is recommended by Missing Kids Organizaions. I agree with those who get the impression that he is not very involved. But none of that proves that MR is guilty of anything.

Most of us who suspect MR look at a constellation of issues. Everything is circumstantial, IMO at this point.

 

[Emma Ems]

I honestly do not get this logic . The more awareness that is out the better and why should Elaine do it all ?

She is grieving and yet its her that is putting forth all the effort including tv,radio,fund raisers , prayer vigil and birthday celebrations .

:cow: :cow:

Elaine does not have the luxury of sitting at home and twiddling her thumbs all day :cow:

My question is why can't they all work together and is there any basis to what he alleges and how it looks and effects the search efforts for Dylan. Let me point to this for example.

Hess claimed that Mark Redwine has been much less involved in the various public activities than have Elaine and Dylan’s older brother, Cory, not to mention law enforcement and the general public.

from of course this article that's already been posted but to keep from having to dig back...

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20130126/NEWS01/130129704/0/SPORTS

Yet Mark Redwine said his ex-wife and Hess actually have left him out of a number of events, sometimes not giving him enough notice to attend.

“It’s bizarre to me why Elaine and Denise would leave me out,” he said.

Redwine also claimed he was contacted by a woman who wanted to do a raffle to raise money for the Dylan Redwine reward fund, now $50,450, but Elaine Redwine and Hess turned down the offer.

You have one claim, then another. How do we know which is truthful? If Mark's account is truthful, then why is he being turned away?

It kind of reminds me of the Amish with shunning. That the person is turned away by all the community members and if the community is seen speaking to that person they risk being shunned too. This is MOO. It's just hard for me to understand that again if what Mark claims is true then it seems that the communication doors are closed for him, it's an opening, it what I am getting at. If he were allowed to help maybe, just maybe the doors of communication between he and Elaine may begin to open.

 

[song22]

Not at all. I am asking what would anyone do if the bases all seemed covered. There are many things he can do that are not exactly worthy of being publicized, for example handing out fliers, or hanging them on shop windows when he is on the road. He could sell personal items and donate them to the anonymous fund, if indeed his efforts are being turned down when it's known they are coming from him.

One thing he could get involved in would be the Truckers against Trafficking organization. We don't know that Dylan was abducted for trafficking, but I bet that organization does a lot for abduction and missing kids awareness. I have also followed the Lyric and Elizabeth case and one of the fathers in that case got really involved with sex-trafficking awareness. The father also did media appearances and went to conferences, etc. Also got involved with death penalty advocacy. I think there's always more that can be done. I get the sense that there are others out there who support MR and would come together for a meeting to raise awareness for Dylan or to raise money. JMO

 

[Emma Ems]

I have to ask this, because it really isn't something I know much about. I wasn't even aware you could block someone from texting you, but, in the same article linked above Mark says this:

Redwine said his ex-wife has contacted him using text messages.

&#8220;I&#8217;ve responded to every text message she&#8217;s sent me, but she won&#8217;t pick up the phone ... and talk to me,&#8221; he said.

I know it was mentioned that he blocked her from texting IIRC. Would he block texting to get her to answer the phone or does blocking the texting also block phone calls too? I just ask this because I have text on my phone but I rarely text if it's an in depth conversation that needs to be had. I ask because we just consider Mark's words here, could the text blocking be a way to force an actual phone conversation where one needed to be had?

One of the biggest issues regarding this case I have seen is a lot of either DH, ER, or CR stating things but not hearing a response from Mark on these issues. When I say half the picture is missing, this is what I mean. I am very reluctant, especially where there is much anger directed-even when it's warranted-to just take the words of others for it, but to consider the words of both on these issues and weigh them all together and even then I am uncertain where to go with them. I would much rather see or hear this stuff myself than to take someone's word.

 

[song22]

My question is why can't they all work together and is there any basis to what he alleges and how it looks and effects the search efforts for Dylan. Let me point to this for example.

It kind of reminds me of the Amish with shunning. That the person is turned away by all the community members and if the community is seen speaking to that person they risk being shunned too. This is MOO. It's just hard for me to understand that again if what Mark claims is true then it seems that the communication doors are closed for him, it's an opening, it what I am getting at. If he were allowed to help maybe, just maybe the doors of communication between he and Elaine may begin to open.

Oh NO! The Amish! lol. I'm actually Mennonite with very close ties to the Amish (friends and family) and this is not true about shunning! Ack! But I totally get what you mean. If you give MR the benefit of the doubt and say maybe he has tried and has been thwarted, well then IF that was the case, I would say that is a sad situation and too bad. I don't believe this is the case, but I'm hearing that it is really important to you in your own ethical framework to "see both sides". So, yes, that would be a shame. But of course then I would say, he would still have opportunities to do more on his own. Maybe it's not optimal, but still an option. JMO

 

[asyousay]

My question is why can't they all work together and is there any basis to what he alleges and how it looks and effects the search efforts for Dylan. Let me point to this for example.



from of course this article that's already been posted but to keep from having to dig back...

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20130126/NEWS01/130129704/0/SPORTS




You have one claim, then another. How do we know which is truthful? If Mark's account is truthful, then why is he being turned away?

It kind of reminds me of the Amish with shunning. That the person is turned away by all the community members and if the community is seen speaking to that person they risk being shunned too. This is MOO. It's just hard for me to understand that again if what Mark claims is true then it seems that the communication doors are closed for him, it's an opening, it what I am getting at. If he were allowed to help maybe, just maybe the doors of communication between he and Elaine may begin to open.

Because she suspects him of killing/hiding her son . That is why they do not work together one would assume.

Also by what i have read the divorce was not pretty and they did not talk for years and so if things were bad before then they are a million times worse now. That is why they will never work together until Mark starts talking and the first step IMO would be to sit down and take another Poly .

IMO

 

[Emma Ems]

Oh NO! The Amish! lol. I'm actually Mennonite with very close ties to the Amish (friends and family) and this is not true about shunning! Ack! But I totally get what you mean. If you give MR the benefit of the doubt and say maybe he has tried and has been thwarted, well then IF that was the case, I would say that is a sad situation and too bad. I don't believe this is the case, but I'm hearing that it is really important to you in your own ethical framework to "see both sides". So, yes, that would be a shame. But of course then I would say, he would still have opportunities to do more on his own. Maybe it's not optimal, but still an option. JMO

You know I got that from Amish Mafia! I have been wondering how true to code that show is! LOL

And rather than quote you again, I agree there are other things he can be doing.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Are we all in the business of making suggestions for the parents of missing children? I have some advice for some parents too. But the fact that I am not them and the fact that my child is not the one missing makes me not qualified to tell the parent of a missing child what he/she should do. It seems to me that people would like to hold MR to a different standard than they hold Dylan's other parent. Assumptions are made that he is doing nothing while Dylan's other parent, who has a base of support and a crew who help her gets an ovation for effort. Both Dylan's parents have expressed difficulty functioning in daily life because of their missing son. One parent has media savvy assistance and one does not.

 

[Emma Ems]

Because she suspects him of killing/hiding her son . That is why they do not work together one would assume.

Also by what i have read the divorce was not pretty and they did not talk for years and so if things were bad before then they are a million times worse now. That is why they will never work together until Mark starts talking and the first step IMO would be to sit down and take another Poly .

IMO

The bitter divorce is one of the reasons why I am so reluctant to believe everything she says and the same with him too. I consider what she says, then I consider what he says too. Trying for a level consideration, if that makes sense at all. When divorces are ugly, all kinds of ugliness come out on all sides and bitterness is left all around. The bitterness can kinda tint the goggles. IMO

 

[song22]

One of the biggest issues regarding this case I have seen is a lot of either DH, ER, or CR stating things but not hearing a response from Mark on these issues. When I say half the picture is missing, this is what I mean. I am very reluctant, especially where there is much anger directed-even when it's warranted-to just take the words of others for it, but to consider the words of both on these issues and weigh them all together and even then I am uncertain where to go with them. I would much rather see or hear this stuff myself than to take someone's word.

I don't know about the texting, but I hear what you're saying on this last part. I'm just curious, though about how you square that deep concern you have for truth and first hand knowledge with a crime sleuthing forum? I mean no offense at all in my question. How can you sleuth and speculate--all of it necessarily, second hand info, (because only one person here knows anyone directly involved in the case), no one else can talk to MR or ER directly. So, what you do on a forum like this is gather information and speculate? I hope that's not too personal.

I have always had a very deep sense of horror at the idea of someone innocent being falsely charged with a crime. There was recently a rash of cases of parents falsely accused of shaken baby syndrome (when there were actually undiagnosed genetic conditions) and also recently cases of people wrongly charged with arson based on faulty arson investigations. I really do get the horror of such a scenario.

Thankfully this is not LE or a court of law. I think it is OK to make judgments or have opinions about these cases in a forum like this, thankfully with lots of rules to keep things relatively in line. JMO.

 

[scorekeeper]

Mark Redwine should have been civil and available from day one of Dylan's disappearance.

He texted Elaine about Dylan being missing; Elaine reported Dylan missing.

It is documented that Mark Redwine was emotionally abusive to his ex-wives and children. He has grown children that want nothing to do with him.

He continually refuses to "communicate" with Elaine and Cory.

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You (in general) see Mark Redwine in a whole different light than I do.

For some reason it seems the abuser is being seen as the victim here.

The victims are Dylan, Elaine, Cory and other family members.

JMO/MOO

 

[Bayou Mistress]

I do not take as gospel, what any witness says about a crime. Or any insider for that matter. Every single person speaking with inside knowledge is evaluated for consistency, fallacy, bias, and motivation. That means that I agree with Dr. House. Everybody lies. And for complex reasons. The truth is in there somewhere.

 

[asyousay]

The bitter divorce is one of the reasons why I am so reluctant to believe everything she says and the same with him too. I consider what she says, then I consider what he says too. Trying for a level consideration, if that makes sense at all. When divorces are ugly, all kinds of ugliness come out on all sides and bitterness is left all around. The bitterness can kinda tint the goggles. IMO

Ok , the only reason why i take her word over his is because i can see a mother who is completely devastated and is doing everything she can to bring Dylan home. The little i have seen from Mark has just depressed me and i think he is capable of hurting his son in a fit of temper and is stone walling Elaine and Cory . Plus he has multiply accounts of what he did that day and on Sunday which makes me think he is hiding something :cow: