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I'm not SeaJay - but in my opinion, I think it depends on the LE department. We have seen some POI/suspects that were named and not arrested.
Personally - I don't think this department will. I'm not sure why? Maybe because the case is so volatile, or because it has garnered national attention, or just because this LE doesn't like to give anything away?
I sure wish they would do something though. I do believe they are working hard and they have a lot of info and evidence. I just wish it was enough so they could make some kind of official statement or an arrest or something so that we could be confident that this case is moving forward.
Salem
I would never have quessed you were not Seajay...lol. You don't look alike! :floorlaugh:
I tend to agree. I don't think this department will either. If you look at what has been released thus far, most of it has been information the family could have shared on their own. LE has not released anything that they themselves have only been privy to. In my opinion, I don't think they plan on naming anyone until an actual arrest can be made.
I would never have quessed you were not Seajay...lol. You don't look alike! :floorlaugh:
I tend to agree. I don't think this department will either. If you look at what has been released thus far, most of it has been information the family could have shared on their own. LE has not released anything that they themselves have only been privy to. In my opinion, I don't think they plan on naming anyone until an actual arrest can be made.
I would never have quessed you were not Seajay...lol. You don't look alike! :floorlaugh:
I tend to agree. I don't think this department will either. If you look at what has been released thus far, most of it has been information the family could have shared on their own. LE has not released anything that they themselves have only been privy to. In my opinion, I don't think they plan on naming anyone until an actual arrest can be made.
I'd like to read the affidavit for the search warrant. Then we could tell what the probable cause that LE used to get the search warrant.BBM
Reasonable Suspicion vs. Probable Cause article:
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5003941_definitions-cause-vs_-reasonable-suspicion.html
Definition of Reasonable Suspicion
Reasonable suspicion means that any reasonable person would suspect that a crime was in the process of being committed, had been committed or was going to be committed very soon.
If a police officer has reasonable suspicion in a situation, he may frisk a suspect or detain the suspect briefly. Reasonable suspicion does not allow for searching a person or car, and is not enough for a search warrant or arrest
Definition of Probable Cause
Probable cause means that a reasonable person would believe that a crime was in the process of being committed, had been committed, or was going to be committed.
Probable cause is enough for a search or arrest warrant. It is also enough for a police officer to make an arrest if he sees a crime being committed.
The Difference Between the Two
Reasonable suspicion is a step before probable cause. At the point of reasonable suspicion, it appears that a crime may have been committed. The situation escalates to probable cause when it becomes obvious that a crime has most likely been committed.
MOO Factor:
So it seems like at the point LE served a warrant for the search of MR's home (the second, thorough search) they had probable cause that a crime had been committed. Up until then, only reasonable suspicion. We don't know if/what evidence they found in MR's home, so either LE is still at the point of probable cause, or they have reverted back to reasonable suspicion.
In either case, it would appear MR is a suspect, regardless of whether they are "naming" him a suspect.
I'd like to read the affidavit for the search warrant. Then we could tell what the probable cause that LE used to get the search warrant.
It may be that LE felt that Mark's house was a crime scene and not that they considered Mark to be a suspect. Hard to say. MOO.
Just out of my own curiosity, how much property does MR own around his home? Is it near any state land, etc?
I apologize if this was answered somewhere else.
I'm not SeaJay -
Salem
I'm not saying that LE doesn't think that Mark's a suspect. I just think that there may be more than one reason for getting the search warrant. If the search warrant is worded properly LE would be allowed to collect any evidence that would help in finding out what happened to Dylan no matter who was responsible.LE also required probable cause to search MR's vehicles - that would mean they believed it probable a crime (or evidence of a crime) had been committed in one of the vehicles. You think someone else might have forced Dylan into one of the vehicles?
It's hard for me to believe that LE would serve a warrant to search MR's home if they thought someone else might have committed a crime other than himself. If so, and then LE surprisingly found evidence that MR had committed a crime, MR would have grounds for a lawsuit and would most likely get off on a technicality.
I agree that our lack of knowledge regarding LE's findings make just about everything we say here conjecture - all we have is what makes sense to us personally - and LE combing through MR's home and vehicles leads to believing that they had probable cause that MR had involvement in a crime.
MOO
I'm not saying that LE doesn't think that Mark's a suspect. I just think that there may be more than one reason for getting the search warrant. If the search warrant is worded properly LE would be allowed to collect any evidence that would help in finding out what happened to Dylan no matter who was responsible.
It would be nice to see the actual search warrant and the receipt of what was taken during the search. Then we could maybe draw some conclusions. MOO.
Funny thing about that "probable cause" warrant. It obviously wasn't served on anyone else in this case when/if they were merely "collecting evidence" to find out what happened to Dylan.
When LE serves a warrant on someone, we really need to pay close attention. No judge is going to sign off on a warrant just for the fun of it. That alone speaks volumes.
I think if LE had more, they'd have named him a POI or suspect. I'm sure they are watching him closely.
I just don't see him being smart enough to hide a body this long, not after all this time.
If Dylan is not in the lake, I wonder where LE would look next??? Mines? The campground? Or will the sit back and wait for hikers or hunters to find him??? JMO, IMO.
Years ago I read a book called Corpus Delicti . It's about the first "no body" conviction of murder case in the US. It was fascinating in the fact that L. Ewing Scott was convicted only using circumstantial evidence and with no body being found. This was in the 1950's so a lot of the modern forensic's used today were not available. It took several years before the case was settled but it shows that it is possible to get a conviction without a body.I watched a show on Investigation ID (of course) where a female Marine went missing, she had told a friend that she was getting divorced from her husband and I believe he was ex-military. They never found her body but he went to prison for her murder. What they think happened was that he killed her (no evidence at home) took her body in his gf's car which he detailed for her, took her to I think it was PA, and dropped her in a mine shaft & blew her up. They had over 300 marines searching for her body around area that was full of mine shafts, never to find her. The reason the thought he blew her up was because he asked his brother, who was in the military, if he had explosives.
Sometimes a body is never found, that makes me sick! But at the sametime, it doesn't mean that they get away with it. I don't think it has anything to do with being smart, it has more to do with being lucky (the perp having luck). I also don't think or believe that LE would ever name someone a POI or suspect until after the arrest in this case.
Years ago I read a book called Corpus Delicti . It's about the first "no body" conviction of murder case in the US. It was fascinating in the fact that L. Ewing Scott was convicted only using circumstantial evidence and with no body being found. This was in the 1950's so a lot of the modern forensic's used today were not available. It took several years before the case was settled but it shows that it is possible to get a conviction without a body.
I hope that Dylan is found but I also hope that justice is served.
Robert Leonard Ewing Scott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Scary how far science has come throughout the years. Interesting but scary.
I would never have quessed you were not Seajay...lol. You don't look alike! :floorlaugh:
I tend to agree. I don't think this department will either. If you look at what has been released thus far, most of it has been information the family could have shared on their own. LE has not released anything that they themselves have only been privy to. In my opinion, I don't think they plan on naming anyone until an actual arrest can be made.
I'm a diver. If you guys really believe there is still a chance he is in that lake, I might poooooossibly consider diving there as soon as it warms up, maaaaaayyyybe. No promises.
Can someone please link me everything about this lake as related to Dylan? That would be great bc there are so many posts and threads here to sift through. Thank you....And why hasn't he been found yet if he's there? If someone can pls give me a lowdown on the lake situation (synopsis of the lake searches conducted so far, etc.) that would be great. Thanks.
It wasn't clear whether the smell they detected Saturday and again Sunday morning at the south end of the lake had anything to do with the youngster, said La Plata Sheriff's Office spokesman Dan Bender.
"We had two of the dogs alerted on the surface of the lake. It could be a submerged deer or elk or something else," Bender said.
La Plata County Search and Rescue K-9s flagged an area on the southern end of Vallecito Lake on Saturday and again on Sunday, prompting scuba divers from the New Mexico State Police to search the area. But the lake search ended "after extensive sonar sweeps found nothing," according to a press release from the sheriff's office.
No further dives of the lake bottom or field searches are planned unless there are new leads, police said.
According to K9 Forensics of Edgewood, a group that volunteered to help search for the missing 14-year-old, two cadaver dogs picked up a scent in the same place after holes were punched in frozen Vallecito Lake, which has been a focal point of the three-month search.