Mmmm, yeah, out of all those only his lack of communication bugs me.
Why I do believe that would be enough evidence, as well as a very plausible scenario.
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Mmmm, yeah, out of all those only his lack of communication bugs me.
Why I do believe that would be enough evidence, as well as a very plausible scenario.
Snipped for focus... Very interesting the switch from 11/28 to 11/30 as reported in the MSM.
They had already discounted on 11/28 that DR was a runaway due to various factors, but that they still said at that point they were treating it as a "search" and not a "recovery".
Then after the lengthy interview with MR on 11/29 LE makes a statement on 11/30 that they are viewing this as a "criminal investigation".
Personally I believe this is very telling... The entire tone of the investigation seems to have drastically changed after the questioning of MR, and the thorough search of his home...
And then there is this statement in December that, IMO, is quite ominous...
12-6-12
“We've looked at the criminal aspect early on, since the second day he was missing,” he said. “We're left with kidnapping and foul play,” Bender said. “We will continue to investigate as long as we have leads,” Bender said.
http://www.daily-times.com/ci_221342...eved-foul-play
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It really does appear to me that LE has some type of evidence, or at least strong suspicions that changed for good after searching MR's home, and his "long interview".
Thanks so much for putting all of this together TxJan1971!
As always, all of the above is MOO! :cow:
11-30-12
Dylan Redwine, 13, who disappeared from his fathers house in Bayfield, Colo., Nov. 19, is still missing and the investigation that began as a search and rescue is now characterized as a criminal investigation. New details and photos were released yesterday, to aid the public in spotting Dylan.
Task Force members are looking at this investigation as a criminal investigation, Durango Police Departments Lt. Ray Shupe said on Nov. 30.
http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/ar...an-redwine-criminal-investigation-new-photos/
12-1-12
Investigators and Dylan Redwine Task Force members (comprised of members of the La Plata County Sheriffs Office, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Colorado Bureau of Investigation, Durango Police Department and Bayfield Marshalls Office) are continuing the criminal investigation ...
All of the information received by the Task Force is being compiled by Task Force Crime Analysts for timeline development and future Task Force action strategies, said Lt. Ray Shupe, Public Information Officer for the Dylan Redwine Task Force. Regional law enforcement agencies, Colorado law enforcement agencies, as well as local, state, and federal law enforcement officers in other states around the US have been assisting the Task Force in tip follow-ups.
http://www.facebook.com/ReporterKevinTorres/posts/10151255094198954
12-4-12
The search for a missing 13-year-old boy near Durango is part of a criminal investigation, as a task force finished searching the home of the boy's father.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/probe-into-missing-dylan-redwine-now-a-criminal-investigation
12-6-12
Investigators say a crime is the reason Dylan Redwine vanished.
Dan Bender, a spokesman for the La Plata County Sheriff's Office, said investigators from the beginning had considered the possibility that a crime was the cause of Dylan's disappearance.
We've looked at the criminal aspect early on, since the second day he was missing, he said. As days went by with no sign of Dylan, investigators ruled out that he ran away. We're left with kidnapping and foul play, Bender said.
The sheriff's staff searched Mark Redwine's home last Thursday. The sheriff is not calling him a suspect or discussing details about the search, Bender said.
Since the warrant was served, the search for Dylan has pared back as far as the numbers of law enforcement officers working the case.
http://www.daily-times.com/ci_22134254/sheriff-missing-redwine-boys-disappearance-believed-foul-play
12-8-12
Lieutenant Ed Phippen of the LaPlata County Sheriffs Office said it is now a criminal investigation with the belief that whatever happened was out of Dylans ability to control or get out.
http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico...17707274/-/pj5977z/-/index.html#ixzz2EaAtTEty
Dylan Redwine, 13, who disappeared from his fathers house in Bayfield, Colo., Nov. 19, is still missing and the investigation that began as a search and rescue is now characterized as a criminal investigation. New details and photos were released yesterday, to aid the public in spotting Dylan.
Task Force members are looking at this investigation as a criminal investigation, Durango Police Departments Lt. Ray Shupe said on Nov. 30.
http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/ar...an-redwine-criminal-investigation-new-photos/
12-1-12
Investigators and Dylan Redwine Task Force members (comprised of members of the La Plata County Sheriffs Office, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Colorado Bureau of Investigation, Durango Police Department and Bayfield Marshalls Office) are continuing the criminal investigation ...
All of the information received by the Task Force is being compiled by Task Force Crime Analysts for timeline development and future Task Force action strategies, said Lt. Ray Shupe, Public Information Officer for the Dylan Redwine Task Force. Regional law enforcement agencies, Colorado law enforcement agencies, as well as local, state, and federal law enforcement officers in other states around the US have been assisting the Task Force in tip follow-ups.
http://www.facebook.com/ReporterKevinTorres/posts/10151255094198954
12-4-12
The search for a missing 13-year-old boy near Durango is part of a criminal investigation, as a task force finished searching the home of the boy's father.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/probe-into-missing-dylan-redwine-now-a-criminal-investigation
12-6-12
Investigators say a crime is the reason Dylan Redwine vanished.
Dan Bender, a spokesman for the La Plata County Sheriff's Office, said investigators from the beginning had considered the possibility that a crime was the cause of Dylan's disappearance.
We've looked at the criminal aspect early on, since the second day he was missing, he said. As days went by with no sign of Dylan, investigators ruled out that he ran away. We're left with kidnapping and foul play, Bender said.
The sheriff's staff searched Mark Redwine's home last Thursday. The sheriff is not calling him a suspect or discussing details about the search, Bender said.
Since the warrant was served, the search for Dylan has pared back as far as the numbers of law enforcement officers working the case.
http://www.daily-times.com/ci_22134254/sheriff-missing-redwine-boys-disappearance-believed-foul-play
12-8-12
Lieutenant Ed Phippen of the LaPlata County Sheriffs Office said it is now a criminal investigation with the belief that whatever happened was out of Dylans ability to control or get out.
http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico...17707274/-/pj5977z/-/index.html#ixzz2EaAtTEty
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It really does help to have the timeline spelled out like that and very interesting that their statement about him being a runaway changed after the lengthy interview with MR and thorough search of the home. LE very well could have more evidence than they are sharing.
The way I understood the comment you are replying to was that DR[correction: ER] didn't tell the media about suspicions until 11/26, but that she could have expressed those worries to LE privately even on 11/19, or shortly thereafter.
What would the fact that it was a court-ordered visit have anything to do with whether or not ER expressed concerns about MR to LE before she spoke of those concerns with the media?
Perhaps I missed something?
ETA: CORRECTION! In the first paragraph of my response above "DR didn't tell the media" should be "ER didn't tell the media".
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TxJan,
Thanks so must for your previous post!
Saw you posted the quote from LE where they were looking at the investigation as "criminal" early on - since 2nd day Dylan was missing (the daily times on 12/6/12)....
sKore
Thanks so must for your previous post!
Saw you posted the quote from LE where they were looking at the investigation as "criminal" early on - since 2nd day Dylan was missing (the daily times on 12/6/12)....
sKore
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Your initials are all messed up. I have no clue what you are asking. No way DR could tell the media anything.
Here's one of the earliest (if not the first) MSM statement by ER:
11-23-12
He didnt go on his own, Elaine Redwine said of her son, Dylan, who was visiting his father, Mark Redwine, during Thanksgiving break.
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121123/NEWS01/121129810/He-would-have-called
Dylan wouldnt have left willingly, Redwine said during an interview at the home of a friend Friday afternoon. If there was any way to communicate he would have called.
Dylan is a generational kid and tech savvy, Redwine said. He wouldnt have gone off to the mountains to pitch a tent or build a fire.
But Elaine Redwine wont hear of Dylan being a runaway and discounts reported sightings of the boy Monday and Tuesday afternoons.
http://durangoherald.com/article/20121123/NEWS01/121129810/0/SEARCH/'He-would-have-called
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from your link
'A court order gave Dylans father visitation rights over the Thanksgiving holiday, Bender said. Dylan arrived Sunday from Colorado Springs'
IMO it would be only natural for ER to let LE know that it was a court ordered visitation, it would have been remiss of her if it wasn't mentioned, LE need to know all the facts about the visit. Remember there are sealed court records, there may be something relevant to Dylans disappearance in those records.
My apologies... I meant ER, and not DR.
Here is my comment again with the correction...
The way I understood the comment you are replying to was that ER didn't tell the media about suspicions until 11/26, but that she could have expressed those worries to LE privately even on 11/19, or shortly thereafter.
What would the fact that it was a court-ordered visit have anything to do with whether or not ER expressed concerns about MR to LE before she spoke of those concerns with the media?
Perhaps I missed something?
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I hope this makes it clearer now... I'll go and edit the original so it doesn't throw anyone else off. I would think it would be rather obvious that I meant ER, as it's absolutely apparent that DR couldn't have told LE anything because he was the one missing...
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I'm not following, your quote is from what Bender said, not ER.
The fact that LE knew it was a court ordered visit, means ER mentioned that specifically. Don't know about Ransom, but I was the one who wondered if ER told LE of her suspicions early on before the ABC interview.
And Bender got the info from where?
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MR probably told LE it was a court ordered visit. I'm sure they asked him if Dylan lived with him full time.
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WHO told Bender?
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MR or ER or both? What difference does it make?
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I think it was fairly clear this was referring to ER, but darn we all make typos
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Oh good heavens! :floorlaugh: Elaine would be expected to tell LE EVERYTHING about Dylan, his life, his norms, habits, likes, dislikes, etc. as well as EVERYTHING that was going on in their life! That is how an interview is conducted! If she wasn't forthcoming with this info, it would have raised even more suspicions!
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I was going to add that the specifics of custody arrangements and visit schedules and such are some of the first questions they ask when it comes to a missing child. It's pretty standard questioning, frankly.
Also, keep in mind that when ER contacted the Sheriff's Office from CO Springs they probably asked why she would be calling them when she lived there... Frankly, I'm sure that the SO knew that it was a court-ordered visitation probably within the first few sentences that ER stated to them when calling in the first place to report DR missing.
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March 21, 2013
Doc’s Marina is starting to gear up for the summer folks. We got a call the other day from Pine River Ranch and the ice is melted off their pond. From previous seasons that means about two more weeks until Vallecito is clear, and you fisherman know what that means! Off ice fishing is an excellent time of year to get out on the lake so start making reservations for our fishing boats and come down to see us! It is also time to start signing up for season buoys people, that’s right any day now it will be time to unwrap the boat from their winter dressings and bring it on down to the marina. Remember to keep an eye out for locals days as well. We are all excited to see our old friends and meet some new people this year.
Vallecito Res. is clearing NOW as I type. It will be totally clear of ice really soon.
Webcam should be up and running in about 5 or 6 more days.
http://www.docsmarina.com/ Click WEBCAM
Night folks.
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