CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #50

[SCHMAE]

It is with a very heavy and sad heart that I let you know Oma has passed away last night. Elaine and her sisters were there with her as she passed.

Oh no

 

[eileenhawkeye]

It's not that people would rather be dead than be a sexual assault survivor, but that people don't want to be raped and tortured every day for years while being held captive. It's the ordeal that horrifies people. Whenever a missing child is found after a long period, everyone talks about what a miracle it is, and thank goodness he or she wasn't killed, but when you think about children who have been missing for years, the idea that they might be held captive and be living as a sex slave, is absolutely horrifying.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

In MB’s interview, Mark blamed the environment Dylan was living in for why Dylan wasn’t responding to his texts and he claims Elaine was being secretive and purposefully hiding information from him (where she worked). He also didn't like the school Dylan attended in CS because they didn't allow him to participate in the football program.

funnily enough that interview was after an article that stated where EH worked.

and the reason for Dylans late registration at the school was MR fighting the move, had he not fought the move IMO Dylan would have been registered in time to participate in football if thats a sport he wanted to participate in.

Hi Cherry. Gee for a bird, you type pretty well! ; )

Motive. In the case of Dylan Redwine, I would say "revenge". The exwife had seemingly trumped the husband many times over in the divorce proceedings. *IF* LE identifies MR as a POI or suspect, emphasis on *IF*...I would say it's all about revenge. A very powerful emotion.

I'm not so sure about ER trumping MR many times over, after all who got the two properties? MR. Who had to pay child support? EH

It is with a very heavy and sad heart that I let you know Oma has passed away last night. Elaine and her sisters were there with her as she passed.

findDylan my heartfelt sympathy and condolences go out to you and your family, no more suffering for OMA, may she rest in peace and watch over you all.

 

[Emma Ems]

It's not that people would rather be dead than be a sexual assault survivor, but that people don't want to be raped and tortured every day for years while being held captive. It's the ordeal that horrifies people. Whenever a missing child is found after a long period, everyone talks about what a miracle it is, and thank goodness he or she wasn't killed, but when you think about children who have been missing for years, the idea that they might be held captive and be living as a sex slave, is absolutely horrifying.

It is so much more than just that too. I have a lot of thoughts, that's why earlier I said me personally. I remember that movie "I Know My First Name is Steven" and the guy who abducted him telling him things like his parents gave him to his abductor, etc. You do have to wonder not only about the sexual abuse, but psychological abuse and emotional abuse as well. The human mind can take a whole lot, BUT, it still has it's limits and it varies for everyone. If the human mind breaks completely most often it can never be repaired. I think of people who have PTSD that end up living on the streets, their trauma so bad, and never being able to find a way to overcome it. Again I said for myself personally because to me the worst thing in the world to me is having your mind broken beyond all repair and when you have many different types of abuse occurring repeatedly over and over again, there is a higher risk that it can break and that is not a life I would want for myself, nor would I ever wish it on anyone either. There is always hope that a child can overcome, and they may not get to that mental breaking point, but sometimes it does happen. Look at that kid in Florida. He suffered all types of abuse and he is now in jail at 12 years old for killing his little brother. I can't say for certain what happened to that child MENTALLY but it was enough to damage his mind. His name is Cristian Fernadez(spelling?) I know he suffered both sexual and physical abuse, but who knows what else. I think in this case this kid suffered so much abuse that he turned off his proverbial humanity switch to keep from feeling all the pain and he may not ever get it turned back on. Others who break like that may not even know how to live life anymore. I think I will leave it there, but you summed it up pretty well too Eileen. To me it's just a big fat unknown if a person can overcome it or not and it really just depends on how much their mind can endure as well as how strong their will to live is.

 

[SCHMAE]

It's been a really busy day or so on ws , of course. But I haven't forgotten you Dylan and have thought of you so many times the last 24 hrs and how it might be you soon with the miracle story and the hero who finds you !


BELIEVE

 

[FlyerFan28]

It is with a very heavy and sad heart that I let you know Oma has passed away last night. Elaine and her sisters were there with her as she passed.

Godspeed, Oma. My prayers are with your loved ones.

 

[Ransom]

funnily enough that interview was after an article that stated where EH worked.

and the reason for Dylans late registration at the school was MR fighting the move, had he not fought the move IMO Dylan would have been registered in time to participate in football if thats a sport he wanted to participate in.
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So not true. ER and DR moved to C Springs in July 2012 WAY before school started in time to register.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22217778/spirits-are-down-but-search-goes-dylan-redwine

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687

http://www.ourcoloradonews.com/news...cle_4aea63f0-754a-11e2-8347-001a4bcf887a.html

http://gazette.com/article/148038

Sorry to mess up the multiple quote above. My bad.

 

[Seajay]

I dunno. I think I'd rather have a life child then a dead one. I know if my child was kidnapped and held against their will for years, that they would have suffered from some horrific atrocities. However, during that time I think I would be wondering constantly whether they were dead or alive. And I know that I would what to keep hoping they are alive. Just for a chance to see them again, hold them again, talk to them again. Even if they come back damaged, better than then not coming back at all. But that's just me. MOO.

 

[Oriah]

Oriah, you and Sarx are invaluable. Thank you so much for your insight! I do have a question though. One of the search dogs in Dylan's case hit on something and started digging and pawing at the snow. From my understanding, this is not really a good thing to do as evidence could be destroyed. Could you comment on this and whether this is something dogs should do if they alert on something. Thanks again.

Thanks, mijamawi. We try, anyway!

SAR K9's are taught to alert in many different ways. Some trainers teach them to alert based on the the dogs natural reaction to excitement of a correct alert (such as barking, sitting, laying down and waiting, etc.) Often disaster K9s and avalanche trained dogs or dogs trained for extreme cold/deep snow are trained to dig. In a disaster sense, this is typically because rubble is involved and an individual may still be alive underneath, so the idea is to get as close to the scent of the individual as possible. Same goes for avalanche training, where someone may be alive underneath literally yards of snow. HR K9's however (at least the way we train) are trained not to dig unless in a disaster situation. They're trained to sit and bark as loudly as possible until their handler identifies the location of the alert and an extraction team is brought in.

Does anyone know the depth of the snow on the lake at the time that particular K9 was digging/pawing?

HTH.

 

[Eileen730]

funnily enough that interview was after an article that stated where EH worked.

and the reason for Dylans late registration at the school was MR fighting the move, had he not fought the move IMO Dylan would have been registered in time to participate in football if thats a sport he wanted to participate in.
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So not true. ER and DR moved to C Springs in July 2012 WAY before school started in time to register.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22217778/spirits-are-down-but-search-goes-dylan-redwine

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687

http://www.ourcoloradonews.com/news...cle_4aea63f0-754a-11e2-8347-001a4bcf887a.html

http://gazette.com/article/148038

Sorry to mess up the multiple quote above. My bad.

Well Our schools start here the first week of August so depending in when school starts as to when the cut off time to register for Football they practice all summer.

 

[Eileen730]

Oriah I may have missed many things you have said here but......
Why would many dogs hit in the same place?
Would that say to you someone is in that lake?

 

[Eileen730]

I dunno. I think I'd rather have a life child then a dead one. I know if my child was kidnapped and held against their will for years, that they would have suffered from some horrific atrocities. However, during that time I think I would be wondering constantly whether they were dead or alive. And I know that I would what to keep hoping they are alive. Just for a chance to see them again, hold them again, talk to them again. Even if they come back damaged, better than then not coming back at all. But that's just me. MOO.

I agree with you here Seajay!

 

[Eileen730]

I do NOT believe a sex offender took Dylan Redwine!

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

funnily enough that interview was after an article that stated where EH worked.

and the reason for Dylans late registration at the school was MR fighting the move, had he not fought the move IMO Dylan would have been registered in time to participate in football if thats a sport he wanted to participate in.
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So not true. ER and DR moved to C Springs in July 2012 WAY before school started in time to register.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22217778/spirits-are-down-but-search-goes-dylan-redwine

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687

http://gazette.com/article/148038

Sorry to mess up the multiple quote above. My bad.

IMO MR made the comment about DR not making football signup solely as a dig at ER's mothering. It looks like (link below) 2012 football started August 15. If it is anything like track (which is listed on the middle school website right now, they had to have all the papers and fees in a little over a week before the first practice. If ER just got into town in July and picked up a packet she may have actually missed the sign up for football. It is not very clear in the packet. Looks almost like you could bring the fees and forms on DR's processing day (August 17.) It would be very easy to look over that packet and think you could take care of signing him up then. Simple mistake that probably did cause disappointment for Dylan. Man, what parent among us has not made a mistake like that along the way? MR (again in my opinion, just took advantage of the situation to attempt to make ER look bad.)

http://lpms.lewispalmer.org/modules...ms/917162/File/Home Base Packet 2012-2013.pdf

http://www.ourcoloradonews.com/news...cle_4aea63f0-754a-11e2-8347-001a4bcf887a.html

 

[aust amateur slueth]

funnily enough that interview was after an article that stated where EH worked.

and the reason for Dylans late registration at the school was MR fighting the move, had he not fought the move IMO Dylan would have been registered in time to participate in football if thats a sport he wanted to participate in.
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So not true. ER and DR moved to C Springs in July 2012 WAY before school started in time to register.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22217778/spirits-are-down-but-search-goes-dylan-redwine

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687

http://www.ourcoloradonews.com/news...cle_4aea63f0-754a-11e2-8347-001a4bcf887a.html

http://gazette.com/article/148038

Sorry to mess up the multiple quote above. My bad.

IIRC MR contested the move, are you suggesting that the court hearing for the move/custody was settled before they moved?

MR was the one who stated in an interview that Dylan was late getting registered. (IIRC the it was the MB interivew)

 

[aust amateur slueth]

IMO MR made the comment about DR not making football signup solely as a dig at ER's mothering. It looks like (link below) 2012 football started August 15. If it is anything like track (which is listed on the middle school website right now, they had to have all the papers and fees in a little over a week before the first practice. If ER just got into town in July and picked up a packet she may have actually missed the sign up for football. It is not very clear in the packet. Looks almost like you could bring the fees and forms on DR's processing day (August 17.) It would be very easy to look over that packet and think you could take care of signing him up then. Simple mistake that probably did cause disappointment for Dylan. Man, what parent among us has not made a mistake like that along the way? MR (again in my opinion, just took advantage of the situation to attempt to make ER look bad.)

http://lpms.lewispalmer.org/modules...ms/917162/File/Home Base Packet 2012-2013.pdf

http://www.ourcoloradonews.com/news...cle_4aea63f0-754a-11e2-8347-001a4bcf887a.html

I agree it was a dig at EH's parenting, it still doesn't negate the fact that MR contested the move, we would need to know when EH received confirmation that she could enrol Dylan in a new school.

 

[Crosby87]

IMO MR made the comment about DR not making football signup solely as a dig at ER's mothering. It looks like (link below) 2012 football started August 15. If it is anything like track (which is listed on the middle school website right now, they had to have all the papers and fees in a little over a week before the first practice. If ER just got into town in July and picked up a packet she may have actually missed the sign up for football. It is not very clear in the packet. Looks almost like you could bring the fees and forms on DR's processing day (August 17.) It would be very easy to look over that packet and think you could take care of signing him up then. Simple mistake that probably did cause disappointment for Dylan. Man, what parent among us has not made a mistake like that along the way? MR (again in my opinion, just took advantage of the situation to attempt to make ER look bad.)

http://lpms.lewispalmer.org/modules...ms/917162/File/Home Base Packet 2012-2013.pdf

http://www.ourcoloradonews.com/news...cle_4aea63f0-754a-11e2-8347-001a4bcf887a.html

Thank you for looking up the information on the football program.

Mark and Dylan went on a vacation in August and if school started in the middle of August, they were likely gone the first half of August.

 

[Crosby87]

IIRC MR contested the move, are you suggesting that the court hearing for the move/custody was settled before they moved?

MR was the one who stated in an interview that Dylan was late getting registered. (IIRC the it was the MB interivew)

How do we know Mark contested the move?

ER and DR moved to CS near the end of July and because she wanted Dylan to attend school there she had to court to get that permanently addressed. The custody hearing took place in late September and Elaine was awarded primary parenting of Dylan. She said Mark was very upset when she pulled Dylan out of Bayfield Schools and put him in CS schools and he wanted the Judge to grant him primary custody and he wasn't very keen that the Judge allowed her to keep Dylan in CS. TMK there is no evidence that Mark officially contested the move, and as we know, that would have been futile. Mark saw his lawyer on Monday because he and his lawyer had already filed papers that had to do with his divorce.

 

[Crosby87]

I do NOT believe a sex offender took Dylan Redwine!

I don't either. Someone listed the typical behavior of an abductor in a previous thread and when I compared it to Mark Redwine's behavior in November, he met the criteria.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

How do we know Mark contested the move?

ER and DR moved to CS near the end of July and because she wanted Dylan to attend school there she had to court to get that permanently addressed. The custody hearing took place in late September and Elaine was awarded primary parenting of Dylan. She said Mark was very upset when she pulled Dylan out of Bayfield Schools and put him in CS schools and he wanted the Judge to grant him primary custody and he wasn't very keen that the Judge allowed her to keep Dylan in CS. TMK there is no evidence that Mark officially contested the move, and as we know, that would have been futile. Mark saw his lawyer on Monday because he and his lawyer had already filed papers that had to do with his divorce.

She also says her ex-husband was upset that she had received primary custody of the teenager.

http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...PAGE/Timeline-of-events-in-Dylan-Redwine-case


because the court documents are sealed we do not have direct access to the evidence, IMO EH has to be very careful what and how she says things pertaining to the custody case.