CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #8

[SchrodingersKitty]

And How would he notice that the pole was missing?
Oh wait let me go see if he took his fishing pole!
Just odd
and Just MO

Just a thought on that. I've had many single guy friends over the years and many of them had very barren looking houses (especially the ones who were gone a lot for work). It's possible that there is so little junk in the house that it would be immediately apparent what was missing. IF we are to believe MR's version of events, it's also plausible he checked for the fishing pole when he noticed Dylan was missing because he was looking for an explanation.
Sometimes I'll get home from work and notice my husband's nowhere to be found, so I'll check to see if his bike is missing from the house because he sometimes likes to go on bike rides without letting me know.
I can imagine my own father doing things the same way MR has said he's done regarding Dylan's disappearance. Parents got divorced when I was young and didn't see dad much growing up, and I believe he "forgot" proper parenting sometimes because he had no idea what he was doing on his own and wasn't used to having us around too much. Anyone KWIM?
I truly want to believe MR would never bring harm to his son, and it seems there are logical explanations for even the things everyone here finds strange when you think about it.
MOO:seeya:

 

[OneLove]

http://durangoherald.com/article/20...900/Family-keeps-faith-through-adverse-time--

Similarly, while some of Dylan's Bayfield friends suggested he might hitchhike down from Vallecito to Bayfield for a scheduled visit with them, Elaine Redwine said she and Dylan had talked about being safe, including not hitchhiking.

bbm, suggesting he might versus saying he would is not quite the same to me. jmo

I have to wonder if the "suggestion" of Dylan hitch hiking might have been made by MR himself when he drove the 20 miles to Dylan's friend's house, the one where he expected Dylan to be.

Has the question of why he DROVE rather than call ever been answered?

 

[Salem]

I find it interesting that she claims to have had a conversation about it. Is there a history there?

I have never had a hitchhiking conversation with my son (who is a year older than Dylan)... it has never crossed my mind to really.

I think there is more with the hitchhiking... the friends have said it and now the mom is saying she talked with him about it.:twocents:

I do too and I'm very concerned about the RSO that lives on CR 500, which is where the Postal Worker thinks he/she may have seen Dylan in the afternoon.

Has it been clarified exactly where on CR500 the postal worker thinks they saw Dylan? How close/far to this RSO's house?

Salem

 

[Salem]

I have to wonder if the "suggestion" of Dylan hitch hiking might have been made by MR himself when he drove the 20 miles to Dylan's friend's house, the one where he expected Dylan to be.

Has the question of why he DROVE rather than call ever been answered?

My understanding is that the original MSM indicated that LE said the friends told them they thought Dylan probably hitchhiked and something bad happened to him. The story came from the friends, iirc.

Salem

 

[oceanblueeyes]

http://durangoherald.com/article/20...900/Family-keeps-faith-through-adverse-time--

Mark Redwine said he had some frustrations about the whole event, the first being what happened to Dylan.

“We're all searching for that answer,” he said.

“I think we're all frustrated,” including the community, he added.

Another source of frustration is with the Dylan Redwine Taskforce of law-enforcement agencies, he said. He said in the last day or two he has been trying to contact the task force for updates but has received no response.

Mark Redwine's usual contact with the task force is Lead Investigator Dan Patterson of the La Plata County Sheriff's Office. He said he saw Patterson Friday, but has not heard from him since.

bbm

Mark Redwine said he was told there's an area of Vallecito Reservoir that's “of interest” to law enforcement. This follows a search by New Mexico state dive crews Nov. 25 near the Vallecito dam. At that time, nothing was found.

bbm, If he has not been updated by LE I wonder who told him about the "of interest" to law enforcement area at the lake, again.

I can see why he is impatient with wanting to know what is happening in the investigation. I would be too. Maybe the lead investigator took the weekend off and will call him this morning since they had just talked with him Friday. They probably had nothing new to tell him.

He was updated Friday that is probably when they told him about the Vallecito dam area is still of interest. Hopefully it means they are going to go back and search it again. They really should imo if they got an alert scent two days in a row near the dam.

Dylan could be in there trapped under some tree roots or holes in the lake bed. His body could have even gone over the dam.

IMO

 

[Tessie]

it is my understanding that they were reviewing photos and video this weekend. (link last thread)

it takes a lot of work and time to go thru cc vid.

The in depth interview with the father was on friday.

My next question would be: is the Wal mart in La Plata county? if so then perhaps he is keeping the details out of the general statement.

Durango is in La Plata County, so I think Wal-Mart must be also?
I have seen WM asset protection look at tapes for hours just in a 8 hour time frame. Used to be not all cmaeras had tapes at all times but that has changed in the last few months due to no more people greeters.

 

[ICUDOUCME]

I found it interesting how someone had asked this question in another thread, and have been pondering it myself.....The sightings have been confirmed not to be Dylan, but what if they were of the person leaving the area that could of harmed him. With a backpack...hmmm could they have taken it from Dylan? Interesting....and something to think about. How did they confirm it not to be Dylan, did they talk to the persons? Also strange to have someone report two boys with backpacks in the same area,as that wouldn't of been common at the time, due to them not being in school.

Also yes this Walmart is in LaPlata Co...on the edge of town.

 

[ttcRider]

Just a thought on that. I've had many single guy friends over the years and many of them had very barren looking houses (especially the ones who were gone a lot for work). It's possible that there is so little junk in the house that it would be immediately apparent what was missing. IF we are to believe MR's version of events, it's also plausible he checked for the fishing pole when he noticed Dylan was missing because he was looking for an explanation.
Sometimes I'll get home from work and notice my husband's nowhere to be found, so I'll check to see if his bike is missing from the house because he sometimes likes to go on bike rides without letting me know.
I can imagine my own father doing things the same way MR has said he's done regarding Dylan's disappearance. Parents got divorced when I was young and didn't see dad much growing up, and I believe he "forgot" proper parenting sometimes because he had no idea what he was doing on his own and wasn't used to having us around too much. Anyone KWIM?
I truly want to believe MR would never bring harm to his son, and it seems there are logical explanations for even the things everyone here finds strange when you think about it.
MOO:seeya:

BBM ~ oh what I wouldnt do to come home and find my husband missing.. :floorlaugh: jk

 

[mck16]

Lt. Bender discussed GPS and said no activity whatsoever. I interpretted that to include pings. Am I misinterpretting what he said on Nancy Grace?

Here - I found the quote again.
"BENDER: My understanding is -- and our investigators have checked his cell phone. Also, cell phones have GPS`s, so if they`re turned on, that gives a general location of the person. And we have been following up on those right along, and there`s been no activity on his phone whatsoever since Sunday evening sometime."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1211/28/ng.01.html

Ah well...it doesn't really matter about the phone or the pings.

The only thing that matters at this point is FINDING DYLAN!!!

I have to go do some errands now. Y'all find him while I'm gone, ok? Pretty please! lease:

My understanding is that the original MSM indicated that LE said the friends told them they thought Dylan probably hitchhiked and something bad happened to him. The story came from the friends, iirc.

Salem

You are exactly right. It came from the Durango Herald.


Ryan and friends FS and WH were part of a group of residents Saturday going door-to-door in Bayfield on County Road 502, handing out fliers with information about Dylan.


�We asked (residents) about any sheds or barns where he could take shelter,� FS said.


The boys said Dylan wasn�t shy about hitching rides.


�Honestly, I think he was walking into Bayfield and got taken away,� he said.


WH agreed.


�I don�t think he�s one to run away,� he said.

This has been reported so many ways but I believe this was the first account. jmo

http://www.durangoherald.com/article...r-missing-teen-- Timeline Post #4 page 1.

 

[SCHMAE]

It's not always so easy to ID someone on those security cams, especially a child. It sometimes takes days to verify a person's identity, depending on how well those security cams have caught an image.
But, there is no assumption that he disappeared from either Walmart or McD's so maybe they don't feel the need to blast those images all over the media. Maybe he waited in the car at Walmart. Maybe they went through the drive-thru at McD's. Could be a lot of reasons, but how can you be so sure there is no footage, simply because they have not released any?
I am not being snarky, but LE certainly doesn't have to prove to the public that Dylan was indeed at either place, nor do they have to prove he wasn't.

''' I'm basing this on the fact that Bender said all we know is Dylan did arrive in La Plata Co. Aftr that we know nothing or very little. I don't have a link to this but it's been discussed many many times and the link has popped up many many times. If LE cannot confirm that Dylan did anything after arriving in laplata co on the plane, then there is NO video of him in mcdonalds or walmart, period !'''''

 

[OneLove]

My understanding is that the original MSM indicated that LE said the friends told them they thought Dylan probably hitchhiked and something bad happened to him. The story came from the friends, iirc.

Salem

Yes, but my question is did the kids come up with that because it was first suggested to THEM?

I would guess the content of that conversation is known to investigators.

My wondering are along the line of any possible "he's not here? Uh oh. I've been worried because he's been hitch hiking a lot"

Then the 'planted' concern could have been adopted by the boys, even right down to "he's been known to hitch hike in the past". Just wondering about the history of the hitch hiking thing.

Mom seems to be saying Dylan would not have hitchhiked, along with would not have walked into the woods or gone fishing. I know it doesn't mean that he didn't or wouldn't, just curious about the known history, the TRULY known history, not hearsay.

 

[StJohn]

I think so, too. Some of these concepts have evolved over 7 threads and I think some of us are getting a little bogged down with this custody/visitation thing, when it may not be nearly as complicated as it has been made out to be.

FWIW, no one knows for sure that Dylan did not want to visit his dad. For all we know, he could have been cool with that. I don't know many 13 y.o. boys, but the ones I have known seem to be really close to their dads, whether the parents are divorced or not. Unless there is something in their past that caused him to turn against him, and if that were the case, why would he be forced to go visit him in the first place? If I am not mistaken, the court cannot force a child to see their parent, once they reach a certain age. In most states that is about 12. The mom would not get in trouble if he refused to go. It's only if SHE refused to let his dad see him that there would be repercussions.
This happened a few times with my step-grandson. His dad didn't even pay child support half the time, but if he wanted to visit with his dad, the lawyer told my DIL she could be fined for contempt if she refused to let him go. But once he reached 12, if he made the decision not to go, and he told his dad that himself, the court could not force him. It was his choice.

BBM: In this case, we know that Mom is not a fan of her ex, to say the least. She publicly stated her fear that MR had something to do with Dylan's disappearance. Can't help but feel that Mom's opinion of her ex filtered through to Dylan & influenced his feelings about his Dad. But Mom probably dutifully scheduled Dylan's visit to comply with the court order.

 

[ICUDOUCME]

Durango is in La Plata County, so I think Wal-Mart must be also?
I have seen WM asset protection look at tapes for hours just in a 8 hour time frame. Used to be not all cmaeras had tapes at all times but that has changed in the last few months due to no more people greeters.

I have been into this Walmart many times, and have NEVER seen people greeters.

 

[SCHMAE]

I don't believe they don't have camera's, I myself have shopped in this Walmart, and it is very much one of the busiest stores in the area! Many people from around the area(even NM)come to shop at this Walmart. Although this area seems rural, Durango is not. It is a tourist area,as well as a college town. I am certain there is cameras in that store!! As far as him not being on it who knows, but I am pretty certain MR is there, or they wouldn't be looking for photos from Durango to Valliceto and the roads up to the house...IMO

'' I'm basing this on the fact that Bender said all we know is Dylan did arrive in La Plata Co. Aftr that we know nothing or very little. I don't have a link to this but it's been discussed many many times and the link has popped up many many times. If LE cannot confirm that Dylan did anything after arriving in laplata co on the plane, then there is NO video of him in mcdonalds or walmart, period !'''

 

[oceanblueeyes]

For some reason, this brings back a memory of my own. My children's father was extremely narcissistically personality disordered and because of this I did not divorce him until my sons were both in high school, more aware, and could defend themselves from his emotional immaturity and self-centeredness.

He was FREAKY about anything that he felt was an attempt to control him.

Once during a visitation, he was to return our sons at noon. I had been out of town and arrived back at the house at 11:45. I waited and waited and waited. I called with no answer. I called again until I got an answer on his home phone an hour's drive away, before cell phones. When he finally answered he responded HOTLY that he had been there and waited 10 minutes and left when I wasn't there. He got there at 11:30 and left at 11:40. He didn't even wait 'til noon, our appointed time. And he KNEW I was driving from out of town. He screamed and raged at me for trying to CONTROL him. Yes, that's right. He was EARLY, didn't wait, drove the kids an hour back home, and it was all MY fault because I was a "controlling beotch". --That kind of thing was just routine for him. He was sick and not in control of himself. My sons were victimized by his illness, even though they were high school age. Their life with him was about keeping him within reasonable emotional parameters; they never knew what might set him off irrationally.

I understand Elaine to be a pretty responsible and intelligent woman. She has born most of the parenting responsibility for raising her sons from what we have read in MSM. I suspect she knows quite a bit about narcissism.

So anyway, has it been confirmed that Dylan's original flight was rescheduled? And has it been confirmed that MR drove home from "work" to pick him up the day BEFORE he took his rescheduled flight?

What narcissism?

 

[SCHMAE]

To Texaslady2 and ICUDUCME ,,, my point was either A ) there are no cams or B ) dylan ws not seen on those cams. That is strictly based on what Bender said. I believe there are cams in the walmart at least, possibly not the mcdonalds. So my ' assumption' is that Dylan ws not seen on the cams and/or did not enter the store. Whether that means he was in the car or not, no one knows. Sorry for any confusion .

 

[pinto]

I found it interesting how someone had asked this question in another thread, and have been pondering it myself.....The sightings have been confirmed not to be Dylan, but what if they were of the person leaving the area that could of harmed him. With a backpack...hmmm could they have taken it from Dylan? Interesting....and something to think about. How did they confirm it not to be Dylan, did they talk to the persons? Also strange to have someone report two boys with backpacks in the same area,as that wouldn't of been common at the time, due to them not being in school.

I know, I am curious about these sightings, too. One was described as being a jogger -- jogging is not really a kid activity, so much. And Dylan was very small, still, so it must have been a .. woman? Not "must" have been, but it still doesn't make sense to me. Just one more thing in a long list of "I wish I knew more about...."

 

[nursebeeme]

''' I'm basing this on the fact that Bender said all we know is Dylan did arrive in La Plata Co. Aftr that we know nothing or very little. I don't have a link to this but it's been discussed many many times and the link has popped up many many times. If LE cannot confirm that Dylan did anything after arriving in laplata co on the plane, then there is NO video of him in mcdonalds or walmart, period !'''''

they reviewed/started reviewing video and pictures this weekend. Bender's statement was prior to the weekend

eta: LE does not have to confirm anything to the public. If they think the public needs to know something they will release it.

 

[jjenny]

I know, I am curious about these sightings, too. One was described as being a jogger -- jogging is not really a kid activity, so much. And Dylan was very small, still, so it must have been a .. woman? Not "must" have been, but it still doesn't make sense to me. Just one more thing in a long list of "I wish I knew more about...."

The rescue workers saw someone running and assumed that person was running away from them. But the person was just running. I don't see anything strange about that. It was never even said that person running fit Dylan's description.

 

[OneLove]

I do too and I'm very concerned about the RSO that lives on CR 500, which is where the Postal Worker thinks he/she may have seen Dylan in the afternoon.

Has it been clarified exactly where on CR500 the postal worker thinks they saw Dylan? How close/far to this RSO's house?

Salem

Hmmmm, since a report says Dylan's friends say he was "not shy" about hitch hiking, I wonder if Dylan may have asked this SO for rides before?