Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #12

[jvikes]

. Kinders in half day, yes. Other than that, an elementary school is not staggering release times.

Their school looks to be K8, elementary drops off at 3:08 in his neighborhood according to their website so I guess a 5th grade friend* would be home between 3:15 and 3:30. Which backs her story (first one, second one, third? I've lost track). But also means his sister should have seen him...

 

[Faebray]

If that’s the case, SM should have since it’s a very military community. And, from looks of neighborhood, a young one at that...technology playground for this age bracket.

IMO, I think she knew they were there but didn’t think it captured her driveway also. When they showed RDs house on the news, it was really obvious that RD had a camera above his garage door, but AS/SM house isn’t right next to RD, it’s one after that. So, even if it was me, I probably wouldn’t think a house 2 over would capture my every move from my driveway. So, I wouldn’t be surprised if we learned she honestly didn’t think it was that good of a system to pick her up that far away. But I’m glad it did!

 

[ChuckMaureen]

bbm

I was just speculating but yes I would consider it somewhat sensational to get sound from feet. *shrug*

In this case, the sound of "snow crunch", which would be used to emphasize the action of the searchers; it's how story-telling is developed in production work.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Anyone know when the next presser will be,on how the search for Gannon is going. With Jacqueline Kirby,or Debra Mynatt. They obviously care so much about Gannon. Their hearts,and souls are focused on Gannon,and finding Gannon. Along with the rest the team searching through cold,snow,and ice for Gannon. No matter what. The focus is on Gannon.

 

[Jazzy5980]

Scroll and roll, scroll and roll, scroll and roll. Bickering inevitably leads to page being shutdown. Please stop.

 

[Pink2017]

You didn't follow Heather Elvis, huh?! Tammy Moorer, omg!

I became a true crime fan with Jodi Arias and then a close to home crime - Missy Bevers (never solved), I’ll go back and look at them. Fascinating, thanks for sharing.

 

[Pink2017]

Their school looks to be K8, elementary drops off at 3:08 in his neighborhood according to their website so I guess a 5th grade friend* would be home between 3:15 and 3:30. Which backs her story (first one, second one, third? I've lost track). But also means his sister should have seen him...

Thanks for checking on those details.

 

[10ofRods]

JMO...but I’m thinking this...
Antisocial personality disorder describes an ingrained pattern of behavior in which individuals consistently disregard and violate the rights of others around them.

The disorder is best understood within the context of the broader category of personality disorders. A personality disorder is an enduring pattern of personal experience and behavior that deviates noticeably from the expectations of the individual's culture, is pervasive and inflexible, has an onset in adolescence or early adulthood, is stable over time, and leads to personal distress or impairment.

The symptoms of antisocial personality disorder can vary in severity. The more egregious, harmful, or dangerous behavior patterns are referred to as sociopathic or psychopathic. There has been much debate as to the distinction between the two descriptions. Sociopathy is chiefly characterized as something severely wrong with one's conscience; psychopathy is characterized as a complete lack of conscience regarding others.

I'm going to respectfully disagree on this one. While technically, APD is a "personality disorder," there are good reasons to believe that several of the PD's can be organic (biologic) in nature. The person came pre-packaged for the behavior (or experienced illness or trauma that gave vulnerability). The very fact that the disorder is much higher in boys and men should give us pause (as sex is a biologic trait, obviously).

Personality disorders are then subdivided for study into heritable (and there's really good evidence that there are genes for APD) and due to injury (CTE for example). At any rate, the research clearly shows that the APD brain is different from the ordinary brain.

We know that nurture plays a role in it, but so do genes and head injuries.

The brain conditions that accompany APD can be seen well before adolescence in many cases. Society hasn't figured out what to do about this, and modes of treatment are controversial. Most APD people do not willingly come into treatment. The most common venue is court-ordered. That's why, in studying them, most of us end up working in jails and prisons.

Also, the behavior is often seen by age 5 (and studies of kindergarten teachers show that an experienced teacher can pick out the kids who have those tendencies pretty readily - they are able to predict who will be diagnosed with Conduct Disorder by middle school and APD by high school). Tons and tons of adolescents are diagnosed with it these days (with the hope that early diagnosis and treatment will help - maybe it d0es).

DSM doesn't use the terms "sociopathy" or "psychopathy" although you're right that some people (usually not psychiatrists) do use the term for the extreme end of the scale. The brain studies are mostly done on this segment of the population, as they are easier to find and identify (that's what a lot of my adult career in consulting has been - in field diagnosis of possible antisocial behaviors, but also other DSM diagnoses).

James Fallon is a neuroscientist who uses the term "psychopath" for the brain condition. He has Ted talks and a bunch of other materials out there.

 

[SuziQ]

I have no theory either. I’ve followed this case from the beginning, TS does seem to be in love with herself, and seems to love drama, but if she did harm/kill the little guy, what was her motive???? At the end of the day, she just doesn’t seem like a murderer to me. This is a very strange, heartbreaking case.

So what does a murderer seem like? Wouldn't it be someone who drove a child away and doesn't come home with him? And then lies about all of it? Hides where she left the child?

Most parents who kill their kids don't seem/look the type.

Motive could be she hurt Gannon and can't let him live to tell about it.

 

[Melbeanb]

There seems to be a lot of energy that we are close to finding him, but given BM has gone home/left area, I question how close LE is to finding him or major evidence. Why leave now? Sadly thinking LE has not indicated to BM or BD that they are indeed close...MOO

 

[UnderWhelmed405]

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Kinders on half day, yes. Other than that, an elementary school is not staggering release times.

We have “intermediate” schools that get home earlier than elementary (1st-4th). Jw if that is the case.

 

[Pink2017]

Their school looks to be K8, elementary drops off at 3:08 in his neighborhood according to their website so I guess a 5th grade friend* would be home between 3:15 and 3:30. Which backs her story (first one, second one, third? I've lost track). But also means his sister should have seen him...

Thanks you.

 

[Pink2017]

We have “intermediate” schools that get home earlier than elementary (1st-4th). Jw if that is the case.

A few post up outlines school and release times.

 

[10ofRods]

s&bbm


My point is, SM was not standing in front of a mass of her detractors, which she no doubt fears due to her concern for her's and her bio-daughter's safety. She wanted to present her case (whatever story line it was, truths or fictions) and the only 'safe' way she could do that was to do so via MSM.

Good grief! ;-)

Okay - I gotcha. But surely you'd agree that she had to know it would be broadcast to the entire community, the nation, and now, parts of the rest of the world? If her view of "safety" is so limited (swiss cheese keeps coming up on this thread), how is she a functioning adult?

That was a rhetorical question. I'm sure LS's days are fraught with anxiety and even panic. Hard to make the right decisions in that state.

BTW, I love and look forward to your posts, Chuck. It's really important to have all options on the table and the fact that we can only use a tiny number of the facts that are out there here in WS will hopefully change soon.

 

[Pink2017]

Prayers for the family, and Gannon. Taking a break. Have a good day.

 

[jvikes]

We have “intermediate” schools that get home earlier than elementary (1st-4th). Jw if that is the case.

His school is K8, and split K-5, 6-8. Bus schedules are different for those but school day seems the same. Jr high bus drops off about 20 min later than k-5 grades.

 

[10ofRods]

There seems to be a lot of energy that we are close to finding him, but given BM has gone home/left area, I question how close LE is to finding him or major evidence. Why leave now? Sadly thinking LE has not indicated to BM or BD that they are indeed close...MOO

I've been feeling hopeful that they're in the right area. It may take warmer weather to find what they're looking for. Not sure we can speak about the various techniques they are using (we can see them in Twitter pictures but no MSM is reporting on small details of the search).

IME, even if this search end for a while, volunteers (non-SAR) will still be out there as soon as they are able/permitted (they can go on public land or ask the landowner for permission). If Gannon is on private property, I'd think that landowner would be open for further searches and would search for themselves.

I'm curious what the rest of you think about the possibility of him being found on private property. Was that just an accident or how would you explain it?

 

[Faebray]

There seems to be a lot of energy that we are close to finding him, but given BM has gone home/left area, I question how close LE is to finding him or major evidence. Why leave now? Sadly thinking LE has not indicated to BM or BD that they are indeed close...MOO

MOO
They may be close but LH could have left for something as “simple” as she had to get home. She has another young daughter in SC that has been without her mother for almost 19 days. I couldn’t imagine that was an easy decision to make because that’s her boy and it so obvious how much she loves him, but she also has 2 other children she is still a mother of. Just even me thinking about LH having to make the decision to have to leave the Springs before they found Gannon almost brings me to tears. IMO LH seems like one hell of a strong woman and I bet that was a hard decision to make, but her other kids need her too. They have so much support flowing in the Springs, I wouldn’t doubt that somebody will get her on the first flight available when he’s found.
A Bunch of MOO

 

[JTR1973]

There seems to be a lot of energy that we are close to finding him, but given BM has gone home/left area, I question how close LE is to finding him or major evidence. Why leave now? Sadly thinking LE has not indicated to BM or BD that they are indeed close...MOO

Was it verified that she did go back to NC?

 

[jvikes]

I was just speculating but yes I would consider it somewhat sensational to get sound from feet. *shrug*


IF and that is a super sized IF this was what happened, SM FUBARed EVERYTHING up in how she handled this situation. I would give the world to be able to say "I was wrong about my theories" and have Gannon show up home, alive and well. But I would would never, ever consider SM "off the hook." She is straight up messed up.

I could totally see my small town news get some crunchy feet sounds to use as an lead in or out of a story. They tend to want to edit every news bit to seem like a documentary.