CO - James Holmes Trial Discussion - Begins April 27, 2015 #12

[Maisiebelle]

@larryryckman: Speaking with @GeorgeBrauchler about May 31, 2012 session with JH and Fenton. Feinstein led the session.

@larryryckman: He was planning to assess his "homicidal ideation" and determine whether there was need for an involuntary commitment.

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

Feinsten ID’s JH



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[Jinkasaurus]

He's still up... talking about his experience with clients who have homicidal ideation

 

[MissHaley]

Defense-Objection! Not relevant!
OMG! Is she kidding?
Judge gonna smack her down! Sent jury out.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

But now he is gone- judge wants to talk to pros/def teams

 

[Maisiebelle]

The judge is going to kick some defence butt lol!


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[I'mjazzed]

He's still up... talking about his experience with clients who have homicidal ideation

Thanks.. My feed jumped backward and the girl from #8 was talking about her mouth and then it jumped back to the Dr. Weird.

 

[LyndyLoo]

I can confirm a lot of what Dr. Feinstein is say here..Most treating physicians only bring in a consultant to make a 3rd party appraisal when original treating physician seems flummoxed or unable to decide or figure out their patient....Consultations among peer groups is VERY VERY COMMON!!

Defence is acting STUPID right now!! I'm glad that Judge is calling them out!!!!!!!!!! GO Judge!!

LOL Can't bolster..in short cumulative ROFLMBO

 

[Rhino-Esq]

Ok..what just happened? I walked away for a minute and the Dr. is gone???

Nevermind... Hes back.. lol
I think my feed is bugging out.

BBM

You knew what was coming!! Judge is spanking the defense!

 

[Maisiebelle]

@larryryckman: Judge doesn't understand defense's objections. They didn't object to Fenton yesterday.

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

Judge says the testimony is relevant based on the actions he took.


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[Maisiebelle]

@larryryckman: It's not bolstering, judge says. It's relevant. It's not because he's offering expert opinions. He was a treating doctor.




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[Chelly]

Judge is letting defense have it about OBJECTIONS!

 

[Maisiebelle]

@larryryckman: Judge disagrees with defense objections, but invites them to object to individual questions.

@larryryckman: Judge disagrees with defense objections, but invites them to object to individual questions.


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[Maisiebelle]

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

Judge - The only difference between Fenton and Feinsten is there’s a different defense attorney




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[Rhino-Esq]

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

Judge - The only difference between Fenton and Feinsten is there’s a different defense attorney




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Hilarious!!

 

[Chelly]

Sometimes I think more than one of the defense attorneys show a great deal of inexperience.

 

[Maisiebelle]

@larryryckman: Given the late hour and Feinstein's schedule, they're going to bring him back tomorrow afternoon for further testimony.

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

Dr Feinstein - May 31st meeting.

- JH on time
- Appeared normally dressed/hygiene


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[Maisiebelle]

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

May 31st meeting:

- Gives indication of him being organized & self care was ok

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

Observations:

- Began by asking if JH knew why he was there.
JH used “Fenton” and not “Dr Fenton” - devaluing her

@larryryckman: Feinstein: JH looked like most other grad students. JH seemed "slightly devaluing" of Dr. Fenton in his comments.

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

- JH asked if he was going to lock him up. When asked why he would need to, JH wouldn’t answer
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-Many times he wouldn’t answer when asked about homicidal ideation.

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

Not unusual for patient to fear being locked up if they answer questions.



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[Maisiebelle]

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

Feinstein says JH was non-responsive about 10% of time.
- Wouldn’t answer when asked about relationship with Gargi

@larryryckman: Feinstein says it's not unusual for patients to worry that psychiatrists will lock them up. References "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest."

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

- Limited info about school/exams
- Restricted about people in his life. Never told names.

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

- Inquired about family to assess attachment. Indication of how he will do in therapy. JH provided info about them

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

- Thoughts about hating people: He hated humanity but when those ?’s came up usually followed by Feinstein asking for

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

Targets, places, weapons, etc. He wouldn’t answer.

@larryryckman: Discussed JH statements that JH "hated humanity." JH offered an evasive non response when asked if he had a plan, access to weapons, targets

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

JH discussed philosophy of life. Reading about Tylenol Terroists and Unabomber


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[LyndyLoo]

Lordy Lordy...One flew over Cuckoo Cuckoo nest reference...But I just want to affirm..That Psychiatrist's ALWAYS ask.."Why would you say that" looking for reasoning and rationale of their patient...

BTW~~ Liked the fact he noted JH's reference to Lynne F. as Fenton..which explained..often said when patient demeaning their HC provider....THE START of JH's HATRED towards Fenton..and included into his "Notebook"...

Hate to tell you..But these folks knew he HATED people..yet could not prove he had any plans carryout homicide..as they have already ruled out suicidal ideations...

NOW I understand why Fenton breaking the rules in calling parent (mother) and contacting other's...She needed PROOF to commit him..but didn't have it yet!!

 

[Maisiebelle]

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

People were “sheople” - combo of sheep and people.

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JH showed little/no emotion when making such statements about hating makind.

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

Feinstein told JH he had a nihilistic view of world. JH said he hated humanity. Feinstein was doing violence risk assess.

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

Nihilism - dark view of world, morality

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

Violence Risk Assessment. “VOSSA”

@thegoldpatrol: #theatershooting

Defense asks to approach - sidebar


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