CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #13

[absentia]

absentia, the friend's father confirms he talked to Jessica on the phone that morning. Please see Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

actually the AM call went to father's vm from mom's cell phone at 7:40. he called back apparently. Jessica is said to have gotten up at 7:45.

I think the "on scene" may well have been J's house. impossible to tell for sure.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Isn't it easier to work with the 3 blocks than any other non mentioned area? Has anyone been confirmed as the last person that saw Jessica? Besides her mom of course.

There is an unidentified person who says they saw her enroute to school. Her friend J said he saw her and walked to school with her and then his father said he was mistaken and had the wrong day. A teacher's assistant said she saw her go into the school but never saw her in the building. Also, IIRC, one other little girl. But they all recanted. Or were mistaken.

So the last person, besides her mom (as you asked) is an unidentified person.

 

[absentia]

There is an unidentified person who says they saw her enroute to school. Her friend J said he saw her and walked to school with her and then his father said he was mistaken and had the wrong day. A teacher's assistant said she saw her go into the school but never saw her in the building. Also, IIRC, one other little girl. But they all recanted. Or were mistaken.

So the last person, besides her mom (as you asked) is an unidentified person.

good gawd if the Countryside sighting is accurate, then they think she went back home after that and left pillow pet there. that's an even more frightening thought. - who was with her? she was safe at home and mom was sleeping.

 

[danzn16]

I'm sure I'm way out there on this and hopefully already ruled out but... The morning she disappeared she was supposed to meet her male friend to walk with ( I read usually his older brother too). She called to confirm that he would still walk wit her. Why would the dad who ended up taking his son to school (her friend) not drive back the couple of blocks to see where she was? I would have! Not blaming just think it's odd.

I hope one day we get to hear more detail on this!

 

[writer7]

I thought of another unsolved case earlier today that I wanted people to be aware of. I am on my phone so I can't look for a link, but I know one of you can. It happened in Greeley, Colorado in the year 2001, maybe 2002? A little girl was walking to school and was kidnapped, assaulted, and then let go. I know they put out a sketch of the suspect. www.greeleytrib.com would be the archives to search. I want to say the girl was maybe 9? Its been some time so my brain is foggy on it. Anyways, hopefully someone can do some digging and maybe find it.

Praying for Justice for Jessica!

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I found the date of it and the age of the girl, but a subscription is required past the first bit:

http://www.greeleytribune.com/news/967516-113/news-none

Perry Swanson

News
November 25, 2002

Kidnapping has common themes with other cases

The kidnapping and sexual assault of a 7-year-old Greeley girl this week demonstrates common themes among similar cases around the nation, an expert on child abuse said Thursday.It's rare for a stranger to abduct a child, but when it happens, sexual assault is often a part of the crime, said Eben Howard of Kersey. "The chances are a lot higher, if they are going to be kidnapped, that they will also be assaulted," said Howard, who has a doctorate in health administration and has conducted research on child abuse. Howard moved to Kersey recently to work with his wife, Pam …

 

[alexandra]

All my point exactly. I can't make any sense of it when trying to figure out what route she actually took and who did or didn't see her.

 

[cluciano63]

I have only read about a "possible witness". Never clarified as far as I know and now that it seems some of the people at her school were confused, who knows.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

good gawd if the Countryside sighting is accurate, then they think she went back home after that and left pillow pet there. that's an even more frightening thought. - who was with her? she was safe at home and mom was sleeping.

No. We just have no indication of where the pillow pet was when it was being discussed on the scanner.

 

[csziggy]

I keep thinking about the site where Jessica's remains were found and the relationship to the fence, road and culvert. Various pictures have been posted in threads here and on Amandareckonwith's case archive.

If you look at the picture that has been repeatedly referred to in this post that some have thought graphic: [ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8453276&postcount=672"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #8[/ame] it really does not give a clear view of the orientation of the site.

The two pictures in Amandareckonwith's case archives that show the site clearly are pictures # 181 and #184:
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Jessica Ridgeway -CO-/101112site.jpg
This shows the site looking towards the road but gives a good look at the culvert. If you zoom in you can see the red flags marking where the remains were found. On the road itself you can see the red paint markings. This shows how close to the fence the remains were found.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Jessica Ridgeway -CO-/101112s81.jpg
This shows the site on the left with the pull off point where I believe the killer parked to unload the remains. You can also see the crime scene tape lying on the road and a man standing next to a survey transit. Again, you can see the red flags to the left of the fence and the red markings on the road.

I think the markings on the road were used for precise measurement of the location where the evidence was found. They look like the normal survey markings I see when property is surveyed. There could easily be a benchmark in the roadway itself that was used as a point from which to make those measurements.

What is odd to me is that the location of the remains seems to have been closer to the pull off point than I expected. If the killer carried the remains under the fence where the ground is low just up from the culvert, he made an effort to take it back towards the pull out point so that it was uphill from the culvert and more visible from the road. Maybe he just pulled over with his lights pointing that direction, carried the body to the edge of the pull off and heaved it over the fence?

I don't see any markers at the culvert so I doubt that the body was originally placed in there and animals dragged it out and under the fence.

If the body was in a bag, I wonder if someone reported it as garbage being dumped and that was why the clean up crew was sent to that location.

All of this is pure speculation, but I thought the two pictures might help some with their confusion about the location without them having to look at anything gruesome.

 

[Daisy1975]

I keep thinking about the site where Jessica's remains were found and the relationship to the fence, road and culvert. Various pictures have been posted in threads here and on Amandareckonwith's case archive.

If you look at the picture that has been repeatedly referred to in this post: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #8 it really does not give a clear view of the orientation of the site.

The two pictures in Amandareckonwith's case archives that show the site clearly are pictures # 181 and #184:
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Jessica Ridgeway -CO-/101112site.jpg

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Jessica Ridgeway -CO-/101112s81.jpg

I didn't realize until seeing those how close the dump site is to the road. Someone could have quickly pulled over and left her. I was thinking it was further on a trail. So very scary.

 

[Dr. Know?]

With the scattered red flags coming from the culvert and the marks on the road, it looks like there's evidence that might have been carried across the road? Or blood at those markers and at the orange or red paint on the road? Thanks csziggy.

Also not seeing fencing to obstruct going into that area. At least not enough fence post blocking it from the road.

 

[margarita25]

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The reason is not to keep LE from discovering the body, but so that the creep could safely go back and revisit the body over and over.

Very, very possible.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Not seeing any markings or flags etc... on the other side of the road. Must be perp vehicle tracks possibly. Parked crooked...is that blood trail from the back of a vehicle around the to the front? There's an extra dot or so if it were tire position...got me.

 

[T4Tide]

You know, this is the first time that I have noticed that red evidence marker hanging in the tree.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Jessica Ridgeway -CO-/101112s81.jpg

 

[GrainneDhu]

OMGosh, GrainneDhu, I can't believe I'm in the least bit of disagreement with you because I respect all of your posts so much.

But . . . we only have a possible witness who saw Jessica. We don't even know if it's solid. And since we don't know where they saw her ~ can we, then, further assume it was on her way to school?

Goodness, I hope that people disagree and challenge me! That's how new ideas are born, in my opinion.

I tend to think that the witness has panned out since LE focus has clearly been on that 3 block walk (and very tiny blocks at that) to the park that morning. To the point where they have gotten DNA swabs from people living in that area. Each DNA test is somewhere around $600 (may have come down in the 3 years since I last checked), so they are putting their money where their suspicions are.

I think victimology also comes into play. Her mother said that Jessica really enjoyed school, loved it, looked forward to going to school, etc. No one has come forward who says "well, actually, I had the impression that Jessica wasn't that keen on school, really." So far as I can gather, the tributes seemed to describe a girl who was doing well in school both academically and socially.

Her mother also described a 10 year old who was clearly in that stage of wanting to prove she was a big girl, capable of getting herself ready for school in the mornings, etc. I can see how that would be a little bittersweet for a single mother with an only child and my impression was that her unspoken message was that it was a little sad for her to see her "little girl' clearly growing up.

That just doesn't sound like the sort of 10 year old who would cut classes, change her clothes on the way to school or go gadding about the neighbourhood when she knew someone was waiting for her.

All in all, what makes the most sense to me is that Jessica left for school as usual and then something very unusual indeed happened before she arrived at the park.

 

[margarita25]

The second was built only a few weeks ago.

Can you elaborate on this please? Thanks.

 

[writer7]

I'm finally caught up, so I hope y'all don't mind if I give a few thoughts.

I think the perp is pretty good at disposal of evidence, actually. I think the bookbag drop was the riskiest in a way, because it was closer to possible witnesses. I think that's important.

As far as dumping the body ***GRAPHIC***, I think he just didn't want it near him or his house, for obvious reasons. I don't think he went out of his way to hide it because he doesn't really think anyone will think of him for the crime. More on that in a second. I do think he might have dismembered the body because of his DNA on the body. I think he did not dump the parts that would show sexual assaults or her fighting him back He was probably much more careful about where those body parts are (burned/buried somewhere farther off a road is my guess).

I don't know whether the main body dump was meant to shock, but he certainly didn't care if it did, at least.

I think he may have someone near him who would notice large packages (parents, close neighbors, etc). The parts he dealt with separately might not look suspicious in their bags or boxes. Or he meant to shock with the 1st body dump and hid the rest better because of evidence. One or the other, imho.

The bookbag drop was probably done where he thought he'd fit in walking with a bookbag, imho. Or fit in pulling over in that neighborhood. That one is key for me. If he got caught carrying it or leaving it, I think he had a cover story that he thought would work. I do think the main idea of that drop was to get the focus out that way, but it was still such a confident move. He could have thrown it out a window in a remote spot farther away. He wanted that found very quickly, and he didn't mind doing it himself when folks might have seen him. Very odd. Is he very familiar with the people there and their routines, etc? Or is he just that cocky? Maybe he knows he looks like a million other people in the area?

I wonder whether that area gets car break-ins or anything? Are there streetlights out? Is there any reason for someone to expect that they could leave a bag out and not be noticed at all? It's such a bold move if you aren't at all familiar with the neighborhood.

 

[margarita25]

I can't make any sense of it when trying to figure out what route she actually took and who did or didn't see her.

Let's establish all possible routes and look at each one.

 

[csziggy]

With the scattered red flags coming from the culvert and the marks on the road, it looks like there's evidence that might have been carried across the road? Or blood at those markers and at the orange or red paint on the road? Thanks csziggy.

Also not seeing fencing to obstruct going into that area. At least not enough fence post blocking it from the road.

You know, the four marks in a rectangle almost look like a position for a vehicle to have been parked in the road pointing directly at the location the body was left. There are two stakes in the side of the road that would frame that view. Light from headlights pointed that way would strike the place where the flags mark the spot just the other side of the fence.

Hmm, I need to study this pictures more!

 

[Dr. Know?]

Animal scatter? Red markers? It appears to be to me. I surely hope she wasn't harmed anymore than she was but I'd take a huge relief knowing she wasn't dismembered. jmo