CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #14

[T4Tide]

Hey guys,

With the new development's, and without a real profile from the feds. I ran some things by Peter(he is not a professional profiler, but he knows more about SK's then anyone I have seen that isn't a former FBI agent. I asked about Pat Browns statement that her sources say on the torso was found. Also the attemped abduction of the woman by the lake. Now this probably isnt 100% accurate, and could be dead wrong. But it is something to think about. He is the one who told me about the meaning of October 5th is also important to Christians.



Here is the second part of that, after seeing the cross. Keep in mind, I didn't know there was a different design on the back. I thought it was just those 3 on the front.




Pretty interesting, but probably not 100% accurate.

In my searching, I have come across a lot of the "Harvest season" talk revolving Publius Enigma. You know... Pink Floyd and the galactical alignment of 12/21/12? I thought PF was just a band, but these people have taken it to a whole new level. Supposedly, we just entered the Harvest Season for the Apocalypse. They think there are signs in EVERYTHING. Cereal boxes, song lyrics, art throughout history, trees, rocks, you name it. They seem to use everything... all belief symbols, books, leaders. I think they think the last "clue" is about to be revealed, and by some of the websites, they were disappointed last Wed, the 16th, when it was not.

Now, I don't subscribe to that insanity package, and no offense to those here who might, but what if a follower with a mental issue started seeing and creating his own "signs?" What if he thought a sacrifice might make the clue appear?

Just a thought with all the weird "signs"

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[Marah]

Haven't caught up yet but just wish to point out that any three points will form a triangle when connected.

unless they are in a straight line

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

It was popular with some of us

Popular with me!...only I didn't see your earlier post. But earlier today I thought about writing something to the same effect but decided not to because I thought I had missed something.

 

[izzyblizzy]

Where does the road that Jessicas remains were found lead?

Depends what direction you are going. If you keep heading west on it, it meets up with Highway 93 which connects Golden with Boulder. If you go back towards the East it heads back to Aravada/Westminster Denver west suburb area.

 

[Wishbone]

I believe the cross is unlikely to carry any evidence itself.

The surface is too smooth for DNA and a quick wipe would elminate any fingerprints.

They also did not confirm which scene the cross was recovered from. It may be from the attempt on the jogger.

This leads me to two likelihoods -

The jogger's description may have included the perp wearing a cross, and this cross was recovered from Jessica's scene, or

It was found near the jogger, or she ripped it off in fighting him, it has no connection at all with Jessica, but it's the only clue they have and they are hoping the jogger's attack will lead them to Jessica's killer.

Personally I'm leaning toward the last option. They have no idea but it's a clue. It came from the jogger not Jessica.

Perhaps there is other religious-type evidence at Jessica's scene?

:cow:

“The cross was recovered at one of the crime scenes, but we are not releasing the details at this time,” Westminster Police investigator Trevor Materasso told ABC News.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...th-pivotal-evidence-in-jessica-ridgeway-case/

 

[Confusion]

Maybe it was a school shop (industrial arts) project ... don't students make all sorts of strange things in shop class ... like pot pipes and other stuff that they think is cool?

I was wondering about a Bible camp. I know they have some for adults, or it could be something he made at one when he was a child (and maybe reminds him of his own abuse that happened there?)

I'm not LE but IMO there are 3 crime scenes. The 3 block walk from Jessica's home to the park, the location where the backpack and water bottle were found, and the location where Jessica's remains were found (which is the main one at this time). I will not be surprised if there isn't a 4th crime scene that we are not aware of at this time....where dismemberment took place.
moo
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I believe that's the case. I can't see her having been killed in either of the known places (3 if you count where the BP was) because there would most likely have been more blood.

Apologies if this has already been posted but there is a cold case out of Aurora that may be related to this case. Janine Johler, 38, was found deceased and dismembered in June of 2009, roughly a month after she was reported missing. Prior to positive identification, LE thought the body was that of a child. The remains were not fully in tact, as in the JR case, and not all of the remains have been found (it is rumored that the torso was missing). The apple orchard where Janine's body was found is only about half an hour's drive from where JR's body was found. LE referred to the apple orchard as a "dumping site" off Interstate 70. Of note, Janine was reported to have a diminished mental capacity, possibly making her an attractive victim for some unknown perp. No arrests have been made and no suspects named. Could these two cases be related??
http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/tag/janine-ann-johler/

I was reading about her last night and wondered the same thing.

I agree, this is an older cross ,maybe antique? very different from what could be purchased today, jmo but maybe a family heirloom that was passed down

I doubt if it's related, but my parents used to go "dumping" when I was young. They'd find old dump sites, look for old bottles, and check the sites out with their metal detectors. They found an old bottle that had an almost identical cross on it, including being off-center, and said "Holy Water" on it. They were told that it was part of a set used in rituals a long time ago for things like blessing homes, exorcisms, baptizing babies, giving last rites, etc. Maybe the cross was part of one of those sets.

 

[cindersoot]

I also agree that from the date on the picture of the cross, that it was found by or on Jessicas remains.

 

[cindersoot]

This is not a homemade cross.

 

[AlwaysReading]

I found multiple posts by the facebook person mentioned, but no single comment seemed out of place. Are you just referring to the number of comments overall from one person? I'm sure there are other people who have made multiple comments on the FB page too.

 

[SapphireSteel]

True. But as we have found, it's not that easy to buy a cross that looks like this one online. Nobody here at WS has been able to find one. Yet.

:moo:

I believe the cross is homemade, it's not of saleable quality.

You can buy similar on etsy.

I think LE should be following up the etsy seller who lives in Oregon...it's a link.

Does anyone know definitely what type of wood it is?

:cow:

 

[Marah]

I believe the cross is unlikely to carry any evidence itself.

The surface is too smooth for DNA and a quick wipe would elminate any fingerprints.

They also did not confirm which scene the cross was recovered from. It may be from the attempt on the jogger.

This leads me to two likelihoods -

The jogger's description may have included the perp wearing a cross, and this cross was recovered from Jessica's scene, or

It was found near the jogger, or she ripped it off in fighting him, it has no connection at all with Jessica, but it's the only clue they have and they are hoping the jogger's attack will lead them to Jessica's killer.

Personally I'm leaning toward the last option. They have no idea but it's a clue. It came from the jogger not Jessica.

Perhaps there is other religious-type evidence at Jessica's scene?

:cow:

The police have stated that it came from one of Jessica's crime scenes.

 

[thess]

I also agree that from the date on the picture of the cross, that it was found by or on Jessicas remains.

Thanks, I forgot about the dating. For those who weren't around last night, someone was given permission to pull the embedded info from the police photo of the cross, and found that the photo had been taken on Oct 11. This does make it seem more likely connected to JR's body than to the backpack or Ketner incident(s).

 

[SapphireSteel]

The police have stated that it came from one of Jessica's crime scenes.

Do you have a link for that?

TIA

 

[cindersoot]

I just think too much is being made about the symbolism of the cross. Maybe it was his sick way of asking for forgiveness when he left it with Jessicas remains. JMO

 

[HeinekenMan]

Do you have a link for that?

TIA

There's a link about eight posts before you asked for a link.

 

[Marah]

Do you have a link for that?

TIA

“The cross was recovered at one of the crime scenes, but we are not releasing the details at this time,” Westminster Police investigator Trevor Materasso told ABC News.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...th-pivotal-evidence-in-jessica-ridgeway-case/

 

[Wendy101]

What are the 3 marks? is there 3 victims of this perp in total?? I can see the cross being bought, but i think perp carved the lines

 

[fred&edna]

I suppose I'm behind, but I just noticed PD added 2 new (flash - offering better lighting) photos of the cross. In the new photos the cross doesn't look as crude/rustic and that makes a difference.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

sean62185, You asked above if there were 3 etches on both sides. Here is a photo of the other side. More close up photos at below link.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...longed-man-murdered-Colorado-10-year-old.html

My my, I now see the zig zag. :waitasec: Thanks for posting the back of the cross at this angle. Sometimes I wonder why I can't see what others are seeing - it drives me nuts. The sideways V has a tail!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I suppose I'm behind, but I just noticed PD added 2 new (flash - offering better lighting) photos of the cross. In the new photos the cross doesn't look as crude/rustic and that makes a difference.

Does anybody think the picture of the cross posted above looks like it could be leather? It's not leather as LE clearly stated that it's wood. Is there a type of wood that looks like leather at first glance?