CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #20

[nursebeeme]

Yup. Saw this coming. I don't think this will be the only time we hear this

 

[sfbaynancydrew]

You know, he could have immediately hogtied her and strangled her in the car without anyone noticing.

If someone else was driving.

 

[MidwestMama]

I would consider a cellar to be different than a crawl space, based on where I grew up (OK). Cellars might be separate from the house. They would have an entrance and concrete steps down to a non-finished, single, concrete room that was pretty small. It would typically be a place to go during a tornado.

Sometimes entrances to cellars would be found inside a house. My grandmother had a basement *and* a room she called "the cellar". It was windowless (her other basement rooms had windows), very small, and was better protection than the rest of the basement during a tornado. She also kept 'root vegetables' down there through the winter - potatoes, carrots, turnips, etc.

Crawl spaces are areas where - as you said - you can access plumbing underneath a house that is not built on a concrete slab. We have a crawl space underneath our laundry room. It's probably about 2" - 3" high. We have a basement that goes underneath most of our house, and it's about 3/4 finished. The unfinished room has a lot of exposed plumbing. When the previous owners put on an addition, they didn't dig additional basement - they just made sure that there was a crawl space you could enter from the original basement so you could get to the new plumbing underneath the laundry.

Basements, to me, are like cellars, but larger, and are likely to have windows.

You are right. I used the wrong word. I meant crawl space and typed cellar... argh... too little sleep the last few nights :blushing:

 

[eileenhawkeye]

http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/296133/188/Home-searched-Sigg-interviewed-weeks-ago

And here was the answer I was looking for lol

I think LE has some explaining to do. I really hope there's no coverup.

 

[MidwestMama]

Yup. Saw this coming. I don't think this will be the only time we hear this

Agreed. I bet he is going to have "visits" from a lot of areas that have unsolved cases.

 

[Sleuths4Me]

nothing on their website yet

Probably wont post it until after the newscast...in 40min...guess i will stay up for it

 

[otto]

He is only 5'6 right? He probably spent a lot of time in the crawl space. Rat like. jmo

That's right. He's a white guy, caucasian ... not hispanic in any way (light skinned=hispanic was the most bizarre interpretation of "light skinned" I ever read ... by the way)

He's 5"6'
Brown Haired
18-30 Years of Age
Lived in the area of "toxic substance"-attacks and the abduction/murder of Jessica Ridgeway
He thinks that he is smarter than everyone else, and is too stupid to know better.
Wrote the GED for college admission without completing high school

He probably spent too much time without supervision ... and went completely sideways when his parents split ... when he was 6 years old. His younger brother would have been about 3 years old ... and they were raised by a mom that had a restraining order against dad for battery since 2001 ... when the boys were very young.

Are we really going to believe that Jessica was strangled while Austin was driving ... or was he simply acting out what he had seen in his dad for 11 years.

I don't think so. I think he enacted every horror of his childhood on Jessica ... to see what she did. I think he had suppressed every normal emotion a child has by the time he murdered Jesssica.

 

[Confusion]

I am not sure what the law is in Colorado.

In a recent 2012 verdict in Ontario, Canada, the remains of 8 year old schoolgirl Victoria Stafford were too decomposed to determine sexual assault on the child.

In his charge to the Jury, Judge Heeney had this to say (again, Canadian law)

I think part of the reason they didn't include any charges for sexual assault is that they don't know if her clothes were removed before or after she died. I had posted a while back about a friend whose daughter had been murdered and then the guy had sex with her body. They said they couldn't charge him with any sex crimes because he hadn't removed her clothes or had sex until after she died. Instead they charged him with desecration of a corpse. He was another sick one, when the judge asked him why he had sex with her body (after the trial was over), he told him that he just did it to make sure she was really dead - I guess it never occurred to him that he could just take her pulse? This was in Minnesota though, so laws may be different in Colorado. I'd think there would be a federal definition of things like that though. MOO

 

[Pensfan]

Saw the preview for ch 7 news (thedenverchannel.com) they said they have info why LE from another city wants to talk to AS...any news posted about this?

It may be the police from Fort Morgan wanting info about Kayla Chadwick, a missing 18-year-old. She was last seen having a fight with her boyfriend.

 

[AstroKitty]

If you are any kind of mother, a mom just knows. Always. Even if your child sneaks an ice cream sandwich.

I don't think anyone wants to believe their kid has a problem. But after the fact, it's undeniable. And sad. And overwhelming. I'm sure.

I'm a mother and I know when they are fibbing about the 1 minute brushing your teeth rule. But, I'm sorta OCD about things. Oh and I'd know if an icecream sandwich was taken, that's probably the one thing - because it's my secret stash, hidden in a spot in the freezer they never look .sshhh don't tell
I'd like to think I would be aware if this is going on, more so if my kids had been in any trouble at all before. Dropping out, *advertiser censored* addiction, but maybe they backed off because he was getting good grades and "going somewhere" or they worked a lot and at 17 (I have a 17 year old), a lot of privacy is given. I don't know. I'm not his parents and can't speak for them.

 

[izzyblizzy]

You know, he could have immediately hogtied her and strangled her in the car without anyone noticing.

If someone else was driving.

I don't know where this hog tying stuff comes from? All the docs were supposed to be sealed in the case, and I don't know what reliable source has said this?

 

[tlcya]

I think the definition of cellar, basement and crawl space can differ depending on the region you are in. Here in the central US a basement is defined as a dug out space beneath the home with concrete or brick walls and floors,which can be finished and turned into living space (ceilings of at least 6'). A cellar has a ceiling height of at least 4 to 5' has dirt floor and would not be suitable to finish or convert to living space. A crawl space is as other posters have described, 3' ceiling at most, dirt floor and only usable as a means of accessing plumbing and mechanicals ( hvac and such).

 

[mck16]

You know, he could have immediately hogtied her and strangled her in the car without anyone noticing.

If someone else was driving.

I was thinking that if he tells where the initial dismemberment took place he may implicate someone else. That maybe why he is staying quiet about that. If indeed he is. jmo

 

[otto]

That was the point I was trying to make in my earlier post. I do believe this. jmo

If Jessica bled to death, there would be an obvious crime scene ... but apparently police are still looking for where she was dismembered. If he was cooperating, they wouldn't have to ask, and if she bled to death it would be obvious.

 

[tlcya]

Probably wont post it until after the newscast...in 40min...guess i will stay up for it

I sure hope someone does and I hope I am still awake to read the cliff notes

 

[nikb]

I don't know where this hog tying stuff comes from? All the docs were supposed to be sealed in the case, and I don't know what reliable source has said this?

I'm trying to find it again but I did see it yesterday in what seems to be a semi-MSM source. I was kind of questioning a lot of stuff in the article because it seemed to be pretty "sensationalized" reporting, but it was an allowed link here on WS, at least at that time. I'll keep looking for it.

ETA: shoot, sorry, I found the original post that linked to the article, but the page is "not available" so I am guessing they took it down. It might be in the case archive, I'll see if I can find it.

 

[CHERIE.T]

I didn't know that she got such a good look at him...

I thought he grabbed her from behind? Sorry I may have my facts confused.

 

[mck16]

That's right. He's a white guy, caucasian ... not hispanic in any way (light skinned=hispanic was the most bizarre interpretation of "light skinned" I ever read ... by the way)

He's 5"6'
Brown Haired
18-30 Years of Age
Lived in the area of "toxic substance"-attacks and the abduction/murder of Jessica Ridgeway
He thinks that he is smarter than everyone else, and is too stupid to know better.
Wrote the GED for college admission without completing high school

He probably spent too much time without supervision ... and went completely sideways when his parents split ... when he was 6 years old. His younger brother would have been about 3 years old ... and they were raised by a mom that had a restraining order against dad for battery since 2001 ... when the boys were very young.

Are we really going to believe that Jessica was strangled while Austin was driving ... or was he simply acting out what he had seen in his dad for 11 years.

I don't think so. I think he enacted every horror of his childhood on Jessica ... to see what she did. I think he had suppressed every normal emotion a child has by the time he murdered Jesssica.

Actually he doesn't look light skinned to me at all. As a matter of fact I was thinking he looked Italian or something. And pictures I have seen of his dad he appears dark too. Probably just the pictures. jmo

 

[AstroKitty]

Sigh, okay, a I suppose I earned that.

Alas, for want of a word that word being NOW adult son

lol I read it and (I had my son at 16) and went "Lord! I thought 10lbs was a lot, an adult?" but I knew what you meant but I had to giggle. I've always appreciated your posts We needed that slip of the tongue tonight to giggle. Such a sad subject in here. Nice to smile every once in a good while.

 

[otto]

I was thinking that if he tells where the initial dismemberment took place he may implicate someone else. That maybe why he is staying quiet about that. If indeed he is. jmo

Apparently Jessica's great grandmother is beside herself with anger and suspects that someone else is involved ... that it's too much for a 17 year old to have done alone.

Who else could be involved? Austin's father? The two friends that rode their bikes to Austin's house the night he was interviewed by police ... were they the two guys that were also looking for trouble on the paths when the girl with the dog saw them?

Did he do this alone ... or was evidence removed from the home regarding the dismemberment? Who did he tell before he told his mother ... or was his mother pressing him for answers about his missing cross?