sbcjester21
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So no bail? That's not that unusual for now. He has to be arraigned, if that hasn't already happened. There he'll get his bail amount, if any.
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If we're going to go with <modsnip> as the killer, I'm beginning to think that the story about his father in law is a cooked up story and/or a mental episode. Nothing about that story makes any sense.
and he is finally in the court site.
Date Len Name Hearing Type Case # Location Division
10/30/20
8:30 AM 30M PANKEY, STEVEN Appearance on Arrest Warrant D622020CR1866 Weld County Division 11
link: Seventh Judicial District » Docket Search
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swedish sleuth...no nothing you did. No worries
The news reports state the equipment used to unearth her body was scraping 8-10 inches of debris with each pass. That article mentions a hole the circumference of a basketball hoop. It is not clear, was that the hole she was buried in? Like she would have been standing up in a hole over 5 feet deep?. I would have to believe if that’s the case, an auger could have been used. Or did someone just clear out an area that wide when the photo was taken? Can anyone verify how she was found buried?
Digging a hole that night would be extremely difficult, but I concede possible. Based on the temperature in the days prior I believe the ground to be frozen at the depth of at least 8 inches to a foot. That’s just my opinion. There is my auger theory...but with a shovel in the dark on a cold night in the middle of an open field, that’s quite a feat.
I tend to think the crime was premeditated. Jonelle was home alone for one hour...if...the timeline is to be believed. What are the odds a child predator just happened along at that time? Which leads me to believe that the hole was dug prior to the abduction. She could have been buried there after the night of the abduction too I suppose. But this doesn’t seem likely. Pankey drove to California at 5 am the following morning.
My sister in law has experience counseling sex offenders in Greeley. She said it is highly unlikely for someone to murder a 12 years old girl and not have any priors involving children and it would be just as unlikely they would be able to control the urge to reoffend. I don’t think this was a sexually motivated crime.
So....what was Pankey’s motive? What would cause a man to shoot an innocent girl in the head?
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swedish sleuth...no nothing you did. No worries
The news reports state the equipment used to unearth her body was scraping 8-10 inches of debris with each pass. That article mentions a hole the circumference of a basketball hoop. It is not clear, was that the hole she was buried in? Like she would have been standing up in a hole over 5 feet deep?. I would have to believe if that’s the case, an auger could have been used. Or did someone just clear out an area that wide when the photo was taken? Can anyone verify how she was found buried?
Digging a hole that night would be extremely difficult, but I concede possible. Based on the temperature in the days prior I believe the ground to be frozen at the depth of at least 8 inches to a foot. That’s just my opinion. There is my auger theory...but with a shovel in the dark on a cold night in the middle of an open field, that’s quite a feat.
I tend to think the crime was premeditated. Jonelle was home alone for one hour...if...the timeline is to be believed. What are the odds a child predator just happened along at that time? Which leads me to believe that the hole was dug prior to the abduction. She could have been buried there after the night of the abduction too I suppose. But this doesn’t seem likely. Pankey drove to California at 5 am the following morning.
My sister in law has experience counseling sex offenders in Greeley. She said it is highly unlikely for someone to murder a 12 years old girl and not have any priors involving children and it would be just as unlikely they would be able to control the urge to reoffend. I don’t think this was a sexually motivated crime.
So....what was Pankey’s motive? What would cause a man to shoot an innocent girl in the head?
I really do hope it is Pankey. I definitely find it so much easier to hate him than anyone else. But after 35 years we owe it to Jonelle to get it right. None of us locals want to wrongfully convict a nut job with a litigious past.
So when I question things, it’s not to argue, it’s that we need to be convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt because this just isn’t some project to us. He is going to stand trial and it needs to be a fair trial, so when the prison door slams our community can finally have peace with good consciences.
My parents issued a warning NOT to EVER answer the door when home alone. My friends all had similar rules. On very few occasions did that doorbell ring but I honestly got scared when it did. Especially at night. Even if I had a friend over, if the doorbell rang we would freeze and just look at each each other. Could it have just like you say it happened... yes but while it seems so easy for some to envision this...it’s not quite so easy for me and my friends who grew up here to accept this so easily.
It wasn’t like Greeley was Mayberry at the time. Our parents still checked our Halloween candy for razors and even us latchkey kids had parents that laid down rules for when we were home alone. While it wasn’t out of the ordinary to catch a ride from a friend’s parent, the scenario would play out more like...go call so and so. If her parents say it’s ok for you to catch a ride then you can go. It would be out of the ordinary for a parent to send their kid off not knowing how they were getting home.
I never thought about a scenario where Pankey would hate Ross. Pankey was awarded $25k in 1980 because of a lawsuit Pankey won. Ross was the loser in that battle. To add insult to injury Ross was made out to be an abusive manager too.
Pankey was arrested 12/19/. Pankey had a delinquent payment owed to the bank therefore they refused to allow him to withdraw around $1200 until the debt was paid. Apparently Pankey pitched a fit at the bank and he was arrested and released the same day. Do you think that Pankey blamed Ross for him getting arrested at the bank?
I can see Gates and Ross being angry. They may have felt publicly humiliated by the town clown. I can understand why Gates would be looking for any reason to put Pankey away and if he did, he never got any charges to stick, which may have infuriated him more.
But why do you think Pankey had it out for Ross?
Do you think Pankey was stalking Ross for 4 years and Ross never noticed?
I really do hope it is Pankey. I definitely find it so much easier to hate him than anyone else. But after 35 years we owe it to Jonelle to get it right. None of us locals want to wrongfully convict a nut job with a litigious past.
So when I question things, it’s not to argue, it’s that we need to be convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt because this just isn’t some project to us. He is going to stand trial and it needs to be a fair trial, so when the prison door slams our community can finally have peace with good consciences.
My parents issued a warning NOT to EVER answer the door when home alone. My friends all had similar rules. On very few occasions did that doorbell ring but I honestly got scared when it did. Especially at night. Even if I had a friend over, if the doorbell rang we would freeze and just look at each each other. Could it have just like you say it happened... yes but while it seems so easy for some to envision this...it’s not quite so easy for me and my friends who grew up here to accept this so easily.
It wasn’t like Greeley was Mayberry at the time. Our parents still checked our Halloween candy for razors and even us latchkey kids had parents that laid down rules for when we were home alone. While it wasn’t out of the ordinary to catch a ride from a friend’s parent, the scenario would play out more like...go call so and so. If her parents say it’s ok for you to catch a ride then you can go. It would be out of the ordinary for a parent to send their kid off not knowing how they were getting home.
I never thought about a scenario where Pankey would hate Ross. Pankey was awarded $25k in 1980 because of a lawsuit Pankey won. Ross was the loser in that battle. To add insult to injury Ross was made out to be an abusive manager too.
Pankey was arrested 12/19/. Pankey had a delinquent payment owed to the bank therefore they refused to allow him to withdraw around $1200 until the debt was paid. Apparently Pankey pitched a fit at the bank and he was arrested and released the same day. Do you think that Pankey blamed Ross for him getting arrested at the bank?
I can see Gates and Ross being angry. They may have felt publicly humiliated by the town clown. I can understand why Gates would be looking for any reason to put Pankey away and if he did, he never got any charges to stick, which may have infuriated him more.
But why do you think Pankey had it out for Ross?
Do you think Pankey was stalking Ross for 4 years and Ross never noticed?
Ref why I think Pankey had it out for Ross..
From what I’ve heard and read SP doesn’t seem like the type to let anything go. Look at incident with his aunt and how many times he called her. How about the trailer park incident.
I’m really interested LE statement SP was watching kids at Franklin. Was he watching kids or watching Jonelle. It could tie into the
Let’s say Pankey was stalking Ross that day. Let’s say he was watching the choir concert on tv. He’d have had to know the bus was taking the kids back to Franklin and drive there with his gun. Noticed Jonelle getting into the car. Followed Ross to the Matthews house. Made a split decision to abduct Jonelle. Knocks on her door not knowing who else was there so he could frame Ross? After he abducts a girl whom he doesn’t know, he shoots her as she is more than likely looking directly at him. Then drives out to a field 30 minutes away and digs a 5 foot hole in the ground in 10 degree weather and happens to have a shovel with him too? Or an auger?
I am not surprised Pankey was following this case. Ross, a person he knew, was mentioned. We are all following the case.
I was not surprised to read Pankey went to the authorities in Ft Collins 2 weeks after Jonelle went missing. I think he made up the business about his father in law to cast a shadow over Ross, Branham and Gates and to insert himself in the case. Why didn’t they investigate Pankey then?? Or did they? Surely if they did we would know if and when he went to CA, the details about the car etc.
I am on the edge about the ex wife. I am having a difficult time establishing her credibility. If she was gullible enough to let Pankey convince her to marry him, would she be just as gullible to let the police talk her into telling them what they want to hear about something that happened 35 years ago? Pankey is strange. I think we all agree. Who would marry a man like that? Perhaps someone a bit strange too? Do you all believe her and why?
Why do you believe Pankey had a grudge against Ross? Ross didn’t care for Pankey, it’s not hard to see why, and had altercations in the late 70’ at church and the work place. But I am not aware of any altercations between the two after 1980. What am I missing?
Just what sbcjester21 said. SP claims Ross assaulted him. They somehow ran into each other at Kmart and got in argument, enough that police were called and SP cited. I believe that was in 1982 so still some issues between them.
I’m struggling to believe Pankey killed Jonelle in order to frame Ross. I don’t think he is smart enough to pull it off. His past behavior doesn’t indicate he is that calculating, clever or capable.Sorry- long wait
Would it be possible for her to be standing in the hole, looking up at the shooter. The shooter aims the gun right in the middle of her forehead. If she turned her head away to the right and looked slightly downward could the gun go off center to the left side and downward to fit the pattern? I just don’t think she would look straight on if a gun was pointed at her. And would that prevent blood from getting all over the assailant?