CO CO - Kayleah Wilson, 12, Greeley, 28 March 2010 - #5

[Oriah]

A question about clothing removed by water-wouldn't it be more likely to be completely removed if there were strong currents in the water-rivers, oceans, etc? It seems like the water here would be relatively calm compared to that and that there would be something left on her. A sock, underwear, something.

The question about clothing- yes oceans and swift-moving rivers/currents are more likely to remove clothing quickly and violently. But take into consideration the physics of an underground city water system. The pressure of the water is hugely increased due to the varying sizes of the piping used to control water. That will increase or decrease speed and velocity.
I think it is entirely possible that after being whirlpooled repeatedly that clothing could be removed. Not saying that is necessarily the case here. But I do think it is possible.

 

[RubyRed]

Officials: Person Found Dead In Ditch Was Killed​

The ditch where the body was found​

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Copter4 image of authorities near the location where the body was found.​

http://cbs4denver.com/crime/FBI.Greeley.body.2.1705334.html​

 

[Oriah]

Was there ever a time stamp given on the video at the mall?

I didn't see it in print anywhere, nor did I see which camera they pulled it from. If someone has that, I would love to know.

 

[sarx]

The question about clothing- yes oceans and swift-moving rivers/currents are more likely to remove clothing quickly and violently. But take into consideration the physics of an underground city water system. The pressure of the water is hugely increased due to the varying sizes of the piping used to control water. That will increase or decrease speed and velocity.
I think it is entirely possible that after being whirlpooled repeatedly that clothing could be removed. Not saying that is necessarily the case here. But I do think it is possible.

I'll add that it's also possible for clothes to get rolled or rubbed off in shallow moving water against the bottom (rocks, cement, etc). Also not saying that's the case here, but it is something that happens.

 

[nursebeeme]

I didn't see it in print anywhere, nor did I see which camera they pulled it from. If someone has that, I would love to know.

they never released the video to the public, said what time it was captured or ANYTHING and I have always had an issue with that. For one, it would have provided the public with a more accurate description of her clothing, what she looked like that day (since her pictures were so very different from one another).

 

[Roni]

Thanks, nursebeeme for the link sure appreciate all of you who are taking pictures and posting maps. I am kinda out of it today my mind would not shut down last night, after seeing the ditch I think the body was in the underground pipes and the force of the water carried it down the ditch to where it was found. They would have had to smell something when they searched if it was there all along.

 

[RubyRed]

A Greeley police officer examines a piece of clothing found in a drainage ditch Wednesday near where a body was found in Greeley. The body was found within a half mile of the home of Kayleah Wilson, 12, who has been missing since March

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/2...-work-to-identify-body-found-in-Greeley-ditch​

 

[RubyRed]

When asked directly if the body was that of Kayleah, Tymkowych said, “We cannot rule that possibility out.”

Tymkowych says given the size of the body, it is “a possibility.”

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20100520/LOVELAND01/100520006

 

[sarx]

What is the stiff thing he is holding in his left hand?

 

[pinkfly]

What is the stiff thing he is holding in his left hand?

a book, maybe. Have we ever heard what the birthday gift was if she was carrying one?

 

[Oriah]

What is the stiff thing he is holding in his left hand?

I was wondering that also. Looks like something in a pocket?

 

[nursebeeme]

What is the stiff thing he is holding in his left hand?

http://cmsimg.coloradoan.com/apps/p...Ref=AR&Profile=1002&MaxW=550&MaxH=650&title=0

in this ^ picture Sarx? To me it looked like he had his hand inside the shirt trying to read the clothing label (he looked to be squinting???) just a guess

 

[sarx]

could be a hand nursebeeme.

 

[emmcee]

Hi all, I don't know if this has been addressed, sorry if it's a repeat. I haven't seen anyone else question the fact that the body was so decomposed that even the gender could not be established when it was found. I have a hard time believing that Kayleah's body could become THAT totally decomposed in 2 months. I know everything points to it being her, but that one fact bothers me. To me, it sounds more like someone who has been missing for a VERY long time, like years.

 

[Oriah]

http://cmsimg.coloradoan.com/apps/p...Ref=AR&Profile=1002&MaxW=550&MaxH=650&title=0

in this ^ picture Sarx? To me it looked like he had his hand inside the shirt trying to read the clothing label (he looked to be squinting???) just a guess

His right hand looks like that to me...the left looks like something with a half inch thickness or so, given the way his fingers are spaced. But it's hard to see...

 

[sarx]

The more I look at it, I think you're right. If the article of clothing does belong to the victim, it's been in the water awhile too. Doesn't look like something they found up on the bank. Could be completely unrelated also. If it turns out to be connected I think that would mean it more likely that both have been at that location for some time.

 

[nursebeeme]

Hi all, I don't know if this has been addressed, sorry if it's a repeat. I haven't seen anyone else question the fact that the body was so decomposed that even the gender could not be established when it was found. I have a hard time believing that Kayleah's body could become THAT totally decomposed in 2 months. I know everything points to it being her, but that one fact bothers me. To me, it sounds more like someone who has been missing for a VERY long time, like years.

it actually could have...
warning...decomposition pictures of pigs at this link

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http://australianmuseum.net.au/Stages-of-Decomposition

the australian museum has an informative set of facts with pictures on the stages of decomposition. The pig was used as it most closely resembles the human body in hair and fat distribution, etc.

 

[Jules_SA]

Hi All

I see on the Prayers for Kayleah Wilson Facebook site that someone Googled the three points, Home, Mall and Ditch - and they form a triangle. A comment made on one of the forums yesterday was "This is terrible, the murder man is in the holiday inn express, Near the center of the triangle" (comment #34)

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/kdvr/T1Q4NLCI1P090J8N6/p2

Apologies if this has already been covered.

 

[Cherry Baby]

I concur, it looks like he's got his fingers in the shirt to spread out the fabric, with the other hand helping to stretch it - looking for a logo or tag.

 

[Oriah]

it actually could have...
warning...decomposition pictures of pigs at this link

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http://australianmuseum.net.au/Stages-of-Decomposition

the australian museum has an informative set of facts with pictures on the stages of decomposition. The pig was used as it most closely resembles the human body in hair and fat distribution, etc.

Yes, unfortunately it's true. We have recovered bodies after much shorter periods of time that are in a variety of stages of decomp. A lot depends upon exposure, climate, humidity, bacteria, injury, etc.