CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #11

[susiQ]

Well, LE knows what KB texted to PF. Or what was texted from KB's phone to PF, if you feel more comfortable with it being worded that way.

If we consider the possibility that KB sent those texts on 11/25 to PF and her work, then she might have told each of them something different. To PF she might have said that she was traveling to see her family or that she was going to be working long hours and wouldn't be back to see K until 12/2; and to her work she might have said she was down with the flu. She might have been the one trying to buy time, or she may have had a legitimate reason to be in Gooding and why she needed to take the week off.

But whatever was texted, the police knows that those texts say. Some day we will be able to judge that content.

I just cannot grasp that she texted her work and PF that she was going away for a "visit" for an entire week yet fails to text CB the same OR let granny know she's on her way. JMO

 

[SandyQLS]

Just fingerprint kit? Anything to collect hair or other DNA sources?

I assume computer would have been brought out.

If LE is myopic and focused only on PF, then they may miss important evidence. I think LE is better than that. They should be looking for fingerprints, hair, DNA, and let that evidence guide them, not the other way around where they only look for evidence in support of a preconceived theory.

 

[mzufall]

I have a “Websleuths Help” question that I don’t know where else to ask it, so I will ask it here if that’s okay.

First I’ll say that I use the mobile version, on my phone, in case that makes a difference from the desktop version.

Sometimes I will start to reply to a message, and I will type part or all of my reply, but then for whatever reason I decide not to post the message. There isn’t really a “cancel” button that I know of. So even if I backspace/delete everything I just typed, the next time I go to reply to a message, that previous one is included and I have to delete it again. Or even if I’m just browsing the page, I can see my aborted message down at the bottom in the Reply box. And it stays there until I actually post a new message.

Is there any way to make the aborted message go away at the time I decide not to post it? I’m afraid I’m accidentally going to post it, and that could be bad. If I abort a message, it’s usually for a good reason!

Deleted.

Already answered.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Well, LE knows what KB texted to PF. Or what was texted from KB's phone to PF, if you feel more comfortable with it being worded that way.

If we consider the possibility that KB sent those texts on 11/25 to PF and her work, then she might have told each of them something different. To PF she might have said that she was traveling to see her family or that she was going to be working long hours and wouldn't be back to see K until 12/2; and to her work she might have said she was down with the flu. She might have been the one trying to buy time, or she may have had a legitimate reason to be in Gooding and why she needed to take the week off.

But whatever was texted, the police knows that those texts say. Some day we will be able to judge that content.

Hopefully that day comes sooner rather than later....

jmo

 

[SandyQLS]

I have a “Websleuths Help” question that I don’t know where else to ask it, so I will ask it here if that’s okay.

First I’ll say that I use the mobile version, on my phone, in case that makes a difference from the desktop version.

Sometimes I will start to reply to a message, and I will type part or all of my reply, but then for whatever reason I decide not to post the message. There isn’t really a “cancel” button that I know of. So even if I backspace/delete everything I just typed, the next time I go to reply to a message, that previous one is included and I have to delete it again. Or even if I’m just browsing the page, I can see my aborted message down at the bottom in the Reply box. And it stays there until I actually post a new message.

Is there any way to make the aborted message go away at the time I decide not to post it? I’m afraid I’m accidentally going to post it, and that could be bad. If I abort a message, it’s usually for a good reason!

When that happens to me, I backspace the unwanted quote and my typing, and replace it with a .

That way my next post may include a stray . but not the whole unwanted part. hth

 

[Deleted member 155000]

I increasingly think PF is the most likely to be involved.

But even if KB did have “another lover,” we don’t need to be defensive of that or treat it like a character flaw. There’s still a lot of unknowns when it comes to the exact status of the relationship they had.

One family member floated then withdrew that they broke up.

The neighbor suggested they exchanged the kid, but he didn’t stay.

It’s possible this relationship has been going south for a long while and, in some stretches, Kelsey is an independent woman free to take dates with others.

After the follow up searches and dump, I lean even more toward PF, but I reserve the less than 10% chance of there being a different known perp that could be responsible.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

Here is a newpaper with a nice pic of the ranch. But if you scroll down, there is a larger pic of Kelsy with the car seat. Does anyone see a 1 year old in there? Was the baby very tiny? The average 1 yr old is 30 inches and 23 lbs. Could a 1 year old of that size be in that crumpled blanket?

Yes, my grandson is exactly the same age and still fits in his car seat the same way. He is small for his age, but still gets toted into grocery stores this way for convenience sake.

 

[gliving]

I don't think he actually spoke to him, according to LE during the last presser they want to speak to him, he's only communicating via his attorney. I agree with you about wanting to know more about what he's saying.

Do we know when he hired an attorney? I've missed that. Here's where LE says they spoke to PF. It doesn't say they spoke to his attorney.

 

[Seattle1]

I suggested this in an earlier thread and got shut down pretty quickly. But I agree with you.

For those that can't see a child in the car seat from still photos, one of our Mods posted video footage a couple pages back with clear image -- the child is in the seat!

 

[PrairieWind]

Speaking of her employer I wonder how they are still considering Kelsey an employee on leave - if she still has time or has she been terminated? This is a mess.

Given the circumstances, they would not terminate her employment.

 

[Curiousobserver]

If he had cattle, it looks like they would be in the 30-50 head range. Feeding would involve dumping one 1500 pound bale per day and that would be it, a 15 minute operation. If he were to be gone two days, it would take two bales and 30 minutes. If he went to Idaho and back and did not sleep, it would take probably 24 hours.

The baby is the problem- you either take her with you, in which case she is missed by someone, or you leave her, in which case you had help from someone. You couldn't use the excuse that Mom has her because everyone now knows that wasn't the case. It would fall apart very quickly. Either way, someone else besides you knows you were missing and if they have not told the police this by now they are an accomplice. Someone else must know if the baby was around the ranch the whole time.

 

[Lhughessk]

Speaking of her employer I wonder how they are still considering Kelsey an employee on leave - if she still has time or has she been terminated? This is a mess.

They don’t necessarily have to do anything with her employment status. I know what I would do if an employee vanished under this kind of circumstance. I would continue paying her until all PTO had been exhausted, and then for some period of time I would set aside her income (not direct deposit it, but set it aside). If she turns up alive and was a kidnapping victim, I pay her back pay. If she never turns up, I probably cut it off at 6 months and put the money into a trust for the daughter. If she turns up dead, I do the trust.

Oh and I’d use my Doss military contacts to have someone pay a little visit to a certain someone and get them to talk. If there is something they need to confess. You know what I’m saying.

 

[jaspermac]

Well, LE knows what KB texted to PF. Or what was texted from KB's phone to PF, if you feel more comfortable with it being worded that way.

If we consider the possibility that KB sent those texts on 11/25 to PF and her work, then she might have told each of them something different. To PF she might have said that she was traveling to see her family or that she was going to be working long hours and wouldn't be back to see K until 12/2; and to her work she might have said she was down with the flu. She might have been the one trying to buy time, or she may have had a legitimate reason to be in Gooding and why she needed to take the week off.

But whatever was texted, the police knows that those texts say. Some day we will be able to judge that content.

The texts are a separate issue. My understanding is the communication that she went to visit her grandma was a separate earlier communication from PF , which was a big mistake because it makes it easy to focus on the one person where the lie is coming from.

 

[jaspermac]

Do we know when he hired an attorney? I've missed that. Here's where LE says they spoke to PF. It doesn't say they spoke to his attorney.

LE stated later in press conferences that they have not spoken to PF and want to.

 

[Kapua]

According to Google Maps, it's a 12 hour drive from Woodland Park, CO to Gooding ID via I-80 and I-84. What I want to know is where was KB between 1:30 Nov. 22 and whatever time those texts were sent on Nov. 25?

 

[ColoradoLove]

I posted a screenshot map of downtown WP last night. KB's home is less than a quarter-mile from the main highway, and there are nearly a dozen restaurants and probably four or more bars within a half-mile or so from her home. The weather was said to be nice.

Based on accounts from those who knew Kelsey, she seems really unlikely to be the type to be walking around visiting bars or restaurants, especially on a holiday. IMO, she's the more home body, religious type who would prefer to be home, cooking, as evidenced by her grocery store run and the cinnamon rolls.

 

[gliving]

LE stated later in press conferences that they have not spoken to PF and want to.

This press release is dated the same day as the press conference.

 

[susiQ]

Just thinking out loud.

PF tells LE he picked up the baby and maybe tells them what he told CB when she spoke with him about the "trip". If he's innocent, why be SO reluctant to say anything to anyone if you know your alibi is "tight." If cell logs are on his side why hesitate to offer some tidbit of info. I know, I know, he has his rights and anything he says can and will be held against him.

He could possibly be holding the "key" that could steer LE elsewhere and find Kelsey. Doesn't he want that?? Yes, he should have his attorney present. I would too but I would be eager to help solve the mystery which btw, he is helping to "preserve." That's why I think he has something to hide.

It's been brought to my attention that he has NOT spoken to LE.

Edit for punctuation and info

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

Thoughts from someone who has been that unmarried person in an “it’s complicated” relationship with the father.

I don’t think it’s all that strange for them to have been together even if they weren’t still a couple. KB worked a lot. She missed a lot of time with her child. This would be the first holiday season where she was actually aware. There are plenty of co-parents, myself included, who would be fine with celebrating together just so you could both be with your child. Not every separated couple has animosity. Sometimes you’ve tried everything,you know it’s not going to work.

KB also didn’t have family there. Even more reason to spend thanksgiving with her child and her child’s family. I’m my life, this isn’t weird.

However, if PF was controlling, and I have the impression he was (MOO), maybe KB went along with the plan not bc she wanted to spend the holiday with him but bc she wanted to spend it with her child.

I don’t think she was necessarily lying to her mom. If they were on again/off again, she may not have wanted to give out new relationship info until she knew what the future held.

I don’t think she would take her few days off to travel without her child.

I think the cinnamon rolls were left out bc she was going to be coming back home, or she was running late.

I think PF was picking both of them up.

I doubt she had the time or energy to pursue a new relationship.

MOO

Lol - It's 2018. Few relationships are uncomplicated nowadays!

 

[trailrunningmrs.]

They don’t necessarily have to do anything with her employment status. I know what I would do if an employee vanished under this kind of circumstance. I would continue paying her until all PTO had been exhausted, and then for some period of time I would set aside her income (not direct deposit it, but set it aside). If she turns up alive and was a kidnapping victim, I pay her back pay. If she never turns up, I probably cut it off at 6 months and put the money into a trust for the daughter. If she turns up dead, I do the trust.

Oh and I’d use my Doss military contacts to have someone pay a little visit to a certain someone and get them to talk. If there is something they need to confess. You know what I’m saying.

I am curious to know if she had a life insurance policy and who would be the recipient (I assume daughter and managed by caregiver). It could be a strong motive. How long would it take if there were no body for a payout to happen?