CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #12 *ARREST*

[EmilyVan]

This is the article I mentioned earlier: (cadaver dogs/recency of death/exposure time):
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-csi-death-dogs-sniffing-out-the-truth-behind-the-crime-scene-canines-835047.html

"In a study ...colleagues tested the ability of three Hamburg State Police cadaver dogs to pick out – of a line-up of six new carpet squares – the one that had been exposed for no more than 10 minutes to a recently deceased person."

"Several squares had been placed beneath a clothed corpse within three hours of death"

So looks like some 'death dogs' (can we all agree that term is yuck?) can detect death after/around 3 hours.

Thank you!!

 

[BRRI]

Would something like that block smell? A neighbor shares that wall with Kelsey.

There was a case recently where the dad was found buried under the basement. On Long Island. Cement floor there too. Would block any smell?

I’d think it should? It’s concrete, but I’m not sure

 

[BRRI]

that's what I thought too. a door of some sort. made even closet.

Yea kind of looks like it’s bending a bit in one picture, so I was thinking a cabinet door on a frame.

 

[SharonNeedles]

I’d think it should? It’s concrete, but I’m not sure

No freakin way is there a body in that house. If there was the only way to hide the smell would be to either freeze it or seal it airtight.

 

[Jessthinkin]

"In a study ...colleagues tested the ability of three Hamburg State Police cadaver dogs to pick out – of a line-up of six new carpet squares – the one that had been exposed for no more than 10 minutes to a recently deceased person."

"Several squares had been placed beneath a clothed corpse within three hours of death"

So looks like some 'death dogs' (can we all agree that term is yuck?) can detect death after/around 3 hours.

Thank you!!

True for this study, but that doesn't mean that 3 hours post-mortem is the minimum; more/different research likely answers questions about time frames too...

 

[LietKynes]

I don't think it's fair at all to speculate his relatives are involved.

Not in disagreement at all, tara.
That's why I added 'no proof' and 'just speculating'.
We're in this forum to post questions and theories ... yours is welcome as well.

Nothing about the disappearance of this young woman is 'fair'.Just so sad.

 

[The Night Watchman]

I have an open mind, lol. I didn't even say he was guilty in my post. I am saying that the path that law enforcement is going down right now is staring us in the face- not third party. There is no guess work in that, you just follow their lead. PF search warrant. Truck seized, follow up search warrant. dump trip and police follow up and pick up something. KB's house re-searched, Then followup search again at KB's. Now being processed by FBI crime vehicle. All within a short period of time. The reality is i would love for it to be someone else-so little K has a father, so his mom isn't devastated. So its not another example of the when a women is most at risk for being murdered- when she breaks up with someone. So if there is any indication or whiff of credible info that it is a third party, I'm open to it. But the police are pointing us to the outcome.

Hey sorry jaspermac, my reply come out right. Probably will happen again. I agree with you 100%.

 

[LietKynes]

No freakin way is there a body in that house. If there was the only way to hide the smell would be to either freeze it or seal it airtight.

Maybe she's in the freezer ?
He's had time (allegedly) to hide any evidence.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Wonder if PF has some bruising and scratches?

Law enforcement took photos of him but they aren't saying if there were any.

 

[Charlot123]

OMG, her family. So sad. Poor Kelsey.

 

[whoizzit]

I made an assumption they weren't asking for ladder trucks from the fire dept, just ladders. Shouldn't have assumed. Can't think of any reason they would need a ladder truck the roof isn't that tall. zillow says it is a gas fireplace. unless the drywall on the ceiling feels wet or damp and they are going in through the roof to make sure they don't damage evidence but that seems like I am being really imaginative TBH.

See? You were right! Borrowed FD xtn ladder but not ladder truck.

 

[tmar]

They’re literally tearing her home apart, so it seems. What the heck? I’m literally heartsick and baffled at the same time.

I hope neither family are following here.
I am so upset, on the other side of the world, having no family connections to KB or PF.
Imagine family members wondering, 'what next' etc.
Any elderly family members would need to be sedated/medicated as this period would be so nerve racking for them.
Hope quickly there is an arrest, so this horrid uncertain time, for both families is settled.
MOO.

 

[heartgoesout]

Can someone remind me when the first time someone was in her home and the last?

 

[CuriousMaine]

Peter Thomas 8Ball says: Blood splatter on the walls/ceiling. Luminol showed up last night!

Link?

 

[oviedo]

Interesting that they called in the fire department to use their ladders.

Blood splatter on the ceiling maybe?

Federal, state, and local investigators are back at the Woodland Park Colorado home of missing mom and pilot #KelseyBerreth tonight, taking out evidence bags, calling in the fire department to borrow their ladders. We’ll have the latest on @gma.

Clayton Sandell on Twitter

That’s what I am afraid of

 

[SharonNeedles]

Maybe she's in the freezer ?
He's had time (allegedly) to hide any evidence.

It’s incomprehensible that their freezers haven’t already been checked. And that would be a really dumb place to hide a body you don’t want found.

 

[EmilyVan]

True for this study, but that doesn't mean that 3 hours post-mortem is the minimum; more/different research likely answers questions about time frames too...

it also doesn't state a 'death dog' can detect death after 10 minutes of death

 

[whoizzit]

Law enforcement took photos of him but they aren't saying if there were any.

But wd any bruising or scratches still be there, 10+ days later? (Caveat: unsure when LE took photos post Nov 22.)

 

[allboys]

Call me silly, but shouldn’t they have taken CSI into her apartment first... maybe before they destroy PF’s house?

So, here’s a POSSIBILITY I’m considering...if there was a struggle that led to KB’s death at her home (soon after grocery store visit)...it would be hard for him to deal with a cleanup/body move with a baby. So, he took baby home (cell phone data would show him going home when he said he did). Then he leaves baby at home with grandma and leaves cell phone home too, while he goes back to KB’s house to cover his crime.

So...if LE was going by PF’s cell phone info., maybe it made it seem his ranch was the best place to start the search. But cell phone movement can’t always paint a clear picture. MOO

 

[alucardsdream]

It’s incomprehensible that their freezers haven’t already been checked. And that would be a really dumb place to hide a body you don’t want found.

Well, after Neil Entwistle killed his wife and baby, police were called to do a welfare check on the home...they did a cursory search of the entire house and neglected to notice the two dead bodies on the master bed. They went back the following night and found them.