CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #18 *ARREST*

[Elley Mae]

Surveillance video from the Safeway showed Berreth there with her daughter at about 12:27 p.m. on Nov. 22, De Young said. “That’s the last time Kelsey was seen,” he said.

Fiance of Colorado mom Kelsey Berreth is accused of first-degree murder, police say

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“I looked up there, and there was both red pickups there Thanksgiving Day. And that was from 12:30 [p.m.] to 1 p.m.,” the neighbor said. “The other two cars were parked with the vehicles facing the apartment, but his was parked sideways behind them.”

Neighbor: Kelsey Berreth is ‘a very kind-hearted person’


Was he waiting for her to return home from the store?

 

[Gardener1850]

What info came out to suggest the hearing was set a month ago?

That would be a huge deal. But the hearing date follows a pattern of dependency court hearings and it was filed as a JV case which is what dependency court cases are filed as. Plus there was nothing else on the docket to suggest a child support or parentage case had been opened by anyone. (In CO they can also be filed as JV cases but also as DR -domestic- cases).

In most states, within about five days of removal of a child by CPS/DHS, a hearing as to temporary placement is held. The dates seem to match up with that.

What did I miss? (I was busy with the holidays and work).

In regards to the BBM, nothing came out verifying that. It was stated on Fox news and a few other stations the day before the hearing but the reporters were wrong IMO. All the reports on the day of the hearing and since have focused on KB's family being granted temp custody of baby K, PF's mother asking to intervene and another hearing being set for Jan 3. Reporters were not allowed in the courtroom so they don't know anything except what is visible in writing on the documents filed. Also, the Daily Mail reported PF did not speak at all and made it sound like he didn't even answer the judge's questions but I'm not sure how they would know that if they were not allowed in. PF didn't say anything while filmed walking through the hall and family members were videoed leaving without saying anything as well. JMO.

 

[Elley Mae]

I like that idea. She had just done some baking and was picking up groceries - it always struck me as odd that she was doing regular day to day things moments before her daughter was picked up rather than packing and preparing her daughter for a long visit with PF.

She returned home with groceries at about the same time that the red truck was seen parked at her house. It could have been an unplanned visit that escalated to murder.

If thats when he killed her then he probably took K to his momma’s home and returned at some point to remove Kelsey.

Would like to know if jacket she was wearing at store was missing.

 

[oviedo]

Surveillance video from the Safeway showed Berreth there with her daughter at about 12:27 p.m. on Nov. 22, De Young said. “That’s the last time Kelsey was seen,” he said.

Fiance of Colorado mom Kelsey Berreth is accused of first-degree murder, police say

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“I looked up there, and there was both red pickups there Thanksgiving Day. And that was from 12:30 [p.m.] to 1 p.m.,” the neighbor said. “The other two cars were parked with the vehicles facing the apartment, but his was parked sideways behind them.”

Neighbor: Kelsey Berreth is ‘a very kind-hearted person’


Was he waiting for her to return home from the store?

I believe I saw on an earlier thread that her condo was just a few minutes from Safeway. Now I am wondering if the confrontation occurred when she arrived home from the store? There must be evidence pretty bad for LE to say she is deceased - perhaps not a very good cleanup? There was a reason they returned with the ladder for that second search - wonder what that was?

 

[jillianelaine]

CB expressed surprise when she saw KB enter the store "without her hair done". Do I believe an outdoorsy full time employee and mom might do some shopping with her hair tied back? Hell Yes--unless I knew she had special plans at about that same time the video was stamped.

CB also referenced dinner plans that KB stated she had with PF.

Do I interpret this as CB believed they were spending that entire day together? And if so, did PF's mother also believed they were spending the whole day together? And if PF was away the entire day....

IMO her body was disposed on Thanksgiving.

 

[Madison418]

Wouldn’t that be a kicker. Seems there’s always some woman, somewhere who will fall for any line of hooey a man serves up. To be completely fair, there’s also the old saying “I don’t care how beautiful she is, somewhere, some man is sick of her BS.” Lol. Gallows humor again people, sorry about that. MOO

(My husband has used that quote several times lol!)

 

[otto]

Surveillance video from the Safeway showed Berreth there with her daughter at about 12:27 p.m. on Nov. 22, De Young said. “That’s the last time Kelsey was seen,” he said.

Fiance of Colorado mom Kelsey Berreth is accused of first-degree murder, police say
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“I looked up there, and there was both red pickups there Thanksgiving Day. And that was from 12:30 [p.m.] to 1 p.m.,” the neighbor said. “The other two cars were parked with the vehicles facing the apartment, but his was parked sideways behind them.”

Neighbor: Kelsey Berreth is ‘a very kind-hearted person’

Was he waiting for her to return home from the store?

I think you're onto something here! We've heard that she walked to the Safeway, which suggests that when he arrived at her house he may have assumed that she was at home.

If she had not been seen at the Safeway, the timeline for her disappearance would be even more fuzzy. The Safeway timing and red truck sighting are both at about 12:30PM. Perhaps she left her door unlocked when she picked up groceries. Maybe he was watching her, saw her leave for groceries and then parked at her house - blocking access to her vehicles.

 

[FlossiePotts]

I think you're onto something here! We've heard that she walked to the Safeway, which suggests that when he arrived at her house he may have assumed that she was at home.

If she had not been seen at the Safeway, the timeline for her disappearance would be even more fuzzy. The Safeway timing and red truck sighting are both at about 12:30PM. Perhaps she left her door unlocked when she picked up groceries. Maybe he was watching her, saw her leave for groceries and then parked at her house - blocking access to her vehicles.

I haven't seen where she walked to Safeway. Why would she have the baby in a car seat?

 

[tmar]

OR, he's delusional and still thinks he has a chance of getting off by not saying anything. He knows and we know if he opens his mouth it is game over IMMEDIATELY. We know it is anyway, but he hasn't clued in yet

Perhaps PF is keeping quiet, wondering what evidence LE do have: on advice from his lawyers.
Has someone snitched (PF's word against snitcher), evidence at KB's home but how does it relate to PF, are phone records incriminating, ? any evidence PF is involved in Kelsey's disappearance????
Answers to these questions, would indicate, at this stage, whether evidence against PF is strong.
MOO.

 

[Elley Mae]

I think you're onto something here! We've heard that she walked to the Safeway, which suggests that when he arrived at her house he may have assumed that she was at home.

If she had not been seen at the Safeway, the timeline for her disappearance would be even more fuzzy. The Safeway timing and red truck sighting are both at about 12:30PM. Perhaps she left her door unlocked when she picked up groceries. Maybe he was watching her, saw her leave for groceries and then parked at her house - blocking access to her vehicles.

I don’t think she walked there toting a baby in a car seat.

 

[jillianelaine]

With all this "solicitation" and "protecting witnesses" and blah, blah, blah.... I wonder if he had reason to, and was dumb enough to photograph the crime scene (with one of the other phones) for someone else to see. And that photo ultimately ended up with LE.

 

[esayer]

Now you’ve gone and made me curious. I don’t FB.

Way more info on there IMO

 

[otto]

If thats when he killed her then he probably took K to his momma’s home and returned at some point to remove Kelsey.

Would like to know if jacket she was wearing at store was missing.

That makes sense. It would have been difficult to remove her body from the house at noon, but he could quietly return in the middle of the night, remove her body, and stage the scene.

I think that means that her body is close to her home, but not between her home and his (based on some of the research I did a couple of days about about domestic murder and body location).

Distance from murder scene to body recovery is shorter when the murder scene is the victim's residence.

 

[SandyQLS]

....RSBM for focus....

Also, the Daily Mail reported PF did not speak at all and made it sound like he didn't even answer the judge's questions but I'm not sure how they would know that if they were not allowed in. PF didn't say anything while filmed walking through the hall and family members were videoed leaving without saying anything as well. JMO.

So smart! I wish I could give you a logic award. Is there a leaker from the courtroom? How would the media know?

 

[The Farm]

I think you're onto something here! We've heard that she walked to the Safeway, which suggests that when he arrived at her house he may have assumed that she was at home.

If she had not been seen at the Safeway, the timeline for her disappearance would be even more fuzzy. The Safeway timing and red truck sighting are both at about 12:30PM. Perhaps she left her door unlocked when she picked up groceries. Maybe he was watching her, saw her leave for groceries and then parked at her house - blocking access to her vehicles.

She is not that close (to Safeway) to carry a baby car seat all that way and on the way back would be uphill. Plus carrying whatever she purchased at the store. No way.
I remember seeing that she might have walked but I highly doubt it.

 

[Gardener1850]

Seems odd that according to PF & friends he was primary caregiver yet when Kelsey was off thansksgiving she wouldn’t want to spend that time w/ K.
Wonder if she knew he was coming over when he arrived. I am not believing the child transfer was planned that day.

Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. KB had four days off -- Thursday (Thanksgiving), Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I can't find it now but someone here found the schedule for her employer Doss Aviation and they were shut down those days. Why would KB give baby K to PF on Thursday and then leave 3 days later for a trip to Washington without her baby? And text her employer on Sunday she was taking another week off? She wouldn't, of course. Someone was not too smart in how they set this up. What was PF going to claim KB was doing for 3 days without her baby before leaving on the imaginary trip to Washington without her luggage and without a car? It's so ludicrous it would be funny if this wasn't a murder case.

 

[otto]

I haven't seen where she walked to Safeway. Why would she have the baby in a car seat?

Don't infant carriers double as car seats - pop them out of the car seat base, carry them around, put them in a shopping cart?

 

[bestill]

If Kelsey had walked to the store she would have used a stroller not a car seat. JMO. She drove and I don't think she was expecting him at that time because she would have asked him to stop by the store or she would have waited until he arrived for her to go to the grocery. It's so much easier when you don't have a baby to run in...

 

[tmar]

I have a feeling we might hear more today before his Monday appearance. Fingers crossed.

At a pre trial hearing near where I live, loads info was released just prior to the court appearances.
This had us all speculating as further points were raised.
MOO.

 

[gitana1]

Really? I have never. Not if the opp’ family is alive & sought custody.
Personally, in this case, I don’t believe Mrs. F to be a danger to the child. I think if she had custody, it’d be a most awkward situation for the B’s.

Really. In fact, that's been the default in major, high profile cases I've followed. At least at first.

Sometimes after protracted battles and months or even years, the families of the victim are FINALLY awarded custody. Like in the Michelle Young murder case (after the murderer's family withheld contact between the baby and her mother's family and even sent back presents they sent for the child). And the case of the Kari Baker murder. After her husband was finally arrested for her murder, his daughters lived with his parents for at least a year, who poisoned them against their dead mother and her relatives and convinced them their mother had killed herself. Ultimately custody was awarded to the victim's family due to that and some old molestation allegations against the parental grandfather.

But here are just a few of the cases were the murderer's family gets custody:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/5newso...llers-family-retains-custody-of-children/amp/

Settlement Reached In Beresford-Redman Custody Dispute

Grandmother Seeking Custody Of Granddaughter To Face Daughter’s Accused Killer

The thing is that an accusation and arrest aren't enough to deny the accused the right to be part of custody determinations or to voice his or her opinion. That's especially true in guardianships.

Also, in cases where there's not an immediate arrest, the status quo is often created whereby the child is spending g a lot of time, living with and/or being cared for by the accused's family. And court's are heavily influenced by the status quo.