CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #21 *ARREST*

[Kapua]

Why does it have to have been mailed? Couldn't she have picked up the phone in CO while there over the long weekend?

Speculation.

jmo

Yes, absolutely she could have. We could even speculate that this RN was a Thanksgiving guest at the "ranch". It was an incredibly stupid move however the phone got to ID. If he wanted to create a plausible alibi, he should have had her drive KB's car up there with the phone in it. MOO

 

[vaporlass]

I'm getting to the point where little to nothing in this case is going to surprise me. I think you were right. He probably mailed the phone - it would take about 3 days to get there with the holiday. He was trying to set up an alibi - my phone is here, hers is there, so SODDI.

<modsnip - rumor> Why would she agree to help him??? It makes no sense that an RN would agree to his directions. I can see him connecting with her for the purpose of setting up an alibi - but how do we know he didn’t drive out there himself and dump KB somewhere along the way? He had 10 days at least with no one watching him.
I’m sorry, I just can’t believe any woman would agree to send text messages to cover for PF. I can’t think of a reasonable explanation he could give either for asking her to send them.
<modsnip - against TOS>

 

[MsJosie]

FedEx

Yes, but that would leave a paper trial.....so would UPS and postal.....anything overnighted would have paper work.....

Will be interesting to find out how the person got the phone.

 

[MsJosie]

Why does it have to have been mailed? Couldn't she have picked up the phone in CO while there over the long weekend?

Speculation.

jmo

Tha would be the best way UNLESS another party was driving to ID and took the phone to ‘her’.

 

[jaspermac]

Hmmm....is she a cooperating witness or will she be charged? Strange how she would do that for him. No way I would. Unless she was threatened?

I don't think she came forward on her own- not getting this from anything i have read. JMO. I think she did start co-operating but given how slow things have been since they started questioning her and her name got out i think she probably lawyered up and they are negotiating a deal of some sort. Which is why we haven't seen charges and why the DA wanted the arrest warrant kept from PF for another (week or 10 days?). I think there are some other pieces or people that may have some role as well. The only part of this that doesn't make alot of sense is PF has to know who is talking esp since the cell phone being found leaked out so if they are trying to protect their witness by keeping the warrant sealed, I 'm just not sure. If they thought he could get to her, ie get someone to tell her to not say a word if neither of them talk the LE have nothing on her, and his case is weaker. He could get to her with the warrant sealed or not.

 

[strawberry]

A nurse. Unbelievable.

 

[allboys]

They did have a good arrangement, as they lived close enough that each of them could watch the baby, potentially each on the same day.

Kelsey worked, so she had built in childcare. He might have had the same, if his mother watched the baby while both of them were working.

If custody was the motive, it’s likely because something changed, or was about to change.

But there really isn’t evidence of that right now, atleast as far as we have seen.

It’s still my primary motive, but there could also be others that we don’t know about.

Like a financial one.

(For some reason, I can not bold parts of quotes on my IPhone, so I’ve just copied and pasted what I wanted to bold here):

“If custody was the motive, it’s likely because something changed, or was about to change.”

^ Yes!! I think what MassGuy says here is key. I could speculate on various scenarios that include an upcoming change, but without having any evidence/supporting facts, that’s all it would be...pure speculation.

I, like everyone else, hope we begin to get some concrete details soon, so that we can stop guessing, and just begin to learn the truth. Though whatever that truth is, inevitably it still might leave us with more questions. Because there is never going to be any “reason” for murder that makes sense to us.

 

[Inthedetails]

It didn't ping along the way though right? It only did once it was IN Idaho. She had to have had and turned it on, and sent the texts, as directed by PF. I'm not going to make excuses for her. I think she knew what was going on and now she's cooperating to be spared in some way. Otherwise she would have been majorly set up and I'm not seeing the intelligence on PF's part for being technically savvy. jmo

Trying to think of a scenario where she was set up....maybe PF was with her in Idaho and handed her the phone after he sent the two texts. He made up some story about the phone and told her to throw it away for him.

Nah...doesn't work.

Why would he involve her at all with the phone unless she were, in fact, involved with why the phone was in ID in the first place.

I can't think of any innocent reason she would have that phone.

jmopinion at the moment

 

[OldLadyBlues]

Why would he do this knowing the battery may die, the phone may break, she may not have gotten the package and/or opened it. There are too many variables in this scenario.

IMO I think the easiest explanation is the best.

I agree. I think she was involved in family holiday festivities and he slipped it into her purse. When she found it, turned it on to find out whose it was and sent the texts. Unfortunately, I also think she aware what was going down with PF and KB and after realizing what she had done inadvertently, went to the police with it.
On another subject, I think anything that KBs mom said in any interview before PFs arrest was done solely to protect her grand daughter.
And while I'm typing, I still don't see where the twists and turns are finished.

 

[Irmese]

I think she probably was trying to make it as easy as possible for them to co- parent. She could have bought a home closer to her job but chose to stay closer to him. Imo

Yes, and I think he was sometimes staying with her or maybe bringing K to her in the evenings or when she gets home from work. That makes sense to me because they only live 15 minutes apart.
ETA MOO

 

[Love Never Fails]

They still haven’t released her name, but this appears to be playing out a lot like NK in the Watts case.

Rumors that end up being true. It’s not the norm, but we’ve seen it before.

Ha! You jolted my memory. I forgot the name of CW’s lover. NK...yep.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I 100% agree about when this woman would have been told about the breakup, if it truly happened, but the article doesn’t actually say when he told her they broke up.

It says he told her they broke up in January of 2018. Then it says she saw him two days before his arrest and he felt he was being railroaded, etc. We may just be conflating those two separate pieces of information.

It doesn’t explicitly say he informed her of their earlier breakup two days before his arrest.

He actually met the woman who is now implicated while he was under surveillance by LE? Another candidate for the Einstein award?

 

[InvSmith]

This is the deal... all this secrecy to protect this witness must be because she knows details more than a random phone pick or delivery. Whomever is in charge of her privacy isn't very good at it though nor his current girlfriend. I would imagine LE will have to release most of these details in the next day or so because it is everywhere else.

 

[GordianKnot]

Sounds as if the media know who she is.

ABC: Woman may have disposed of Kelsey Berreth's cell phone

"ABC News is withholding the woman's name because she has not been publicly identified or charged. The network reports the woman is employed as a nurse."

Woman may have disposed of Kelsey Berreth's phone...disposed of....disposed of...disposed of....

IMO, if she "disposed of" the phone, she knew whose phone it was, and she knew exactly why PF wanted her to get rid of it. That shows consciousness of guilt. JMO.

 

[KBB87]

Well they were getting this info from sources, so I would think that LE is getting ready to release more soon. Pressure is on...maybe for PF's benefit KWIM?

The fact that multiple news orgs got this info and released it at the same time makes me think it was intentional

 

[NanZDrew]

Is this woman the one he helped with farm/feeding chores?

I don't think so.

 

[SoVeryMe]

The chosen career path has no bearing on a person ultimately turning criminal.
Nurses, doctors, mechanics, cowboys, priests, bus & taxi drivers & police officers, are not immune from murdering someone. Nor is a person from any other occupation.
MOO

While this is true as an RN myself I find it even more heinous when a fellow nurse commits a crime against another person. Aside from taking an oath you chose a profession to care for people daily....humbly and hands on. I can’t imagine causing harm to another person just based off what I’ve witnessed in my career.

I’ll save further judgement until her level of involvement has been confirmed.

 

[jaspermac]

Immunity for damning testimony would be palatable, provided there is culpability for her role meted out by the public vs. the judicial system, e.g., loss of profession, income, reputation, social rejection, etc.

Don't say it, I know. I'm so mean.

The problem is they have to know 100 percent for sure exactly what her role is before they offer immunity. There was a case in Ontario, Canada approx 15 yrs ago. Paul Bernardo and his wife Karla Holmolka. Google it. Two teens went missing separately. They kept them alive for awhile and then killed them. Karla got a reduced sentenced for turning on Paul. Said she was abused and battered and had to help him. Then they found videos showing how involved and how much she enjoyed it, and found out her role in killing her own sister. Some say she may have been the one that drove the killings because prior to meeting and marrying her he was a rapist but not a killer. The Canadian public was furious that they bungled her deal. She got out, her lawyers brother married her, moved out of the country for awhile, had kids. It makes me want to retch...

 

[tmar]

Interesting to note..if he was the one texting to himself from Idaho (from her phone) he would have probably left his phone back in CO for location purposes. IF he responded to her text, then he wouldn't have been able to until he returned to CO, hours would have gone by before he could answer. OR he had someone else text back OR text from Idaho for him in the first place. Round and round we go.

Wonder when PF answers.
These creeps probably leave their phones at home, so location can't be traced, but need to have an answer, why they promptly don't respond (if that is the case).
We will hear about this from Defence, if PF did not respond quickly, after not hearing from Kelsey for days, if PF drove out to Idaho.
Here in another case on Websleuths, a husband used the excuse, that he had taken a sleeping pill, and didn't hear the phone call from LE informing him that his wife was murdered.
We wonder, was this husband driving the long distance back home, after committing the murder.

Edit: now possibly, a nurse was involved in the phone saga.
What next!
MOO.

 

[heli]

Interesting that PF's mother is a nurse too huh?