CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #23 *ARREST*

[Trudie]

Exactly - what is the motive for this? custody, money, revenge, jealousy, selfishness? I think LE may know IMO and this has led them in their investigation. JMO

Makes me wonder if plans were in the works much longer than 3 months. IMO, LE only knows the 3 month time frame because that’s what they were told.

I don’t see money as the motive, personally. Idk if K is a wealthy person or if she eked out a week to week existence.
Even if she has considerable assets, how would he get them, upon her death? Considering there seems to be little evidence of a sustained relationship between P & K, I wouldn’t think he was included in her will.

If P did begin planning in September, what happened in July.....August, to precipitate this?

MOO

 

[Mom24]

Yes, sorry I saw you posted the same thing a few posts before me. KB's family visiting in October is huge, IMO. It shuts down any talk of "maybe KB was lying to her mom about the realtionship". KB's mom was there only a month before she disappeared. KB's mom would have seen with her own eyes how PF was acting and how the couple interacted with each other. She didn't see any signs KB was afraid for her life (the other reporter question revealed in that CBS video). She previously described them as loving and a good relationship. KB would have no reason to ask PF to fake a loving relationship for the benefit of her visiting family. But PF had a big motive to lie and continue to make it seem to KB and her family like he was still committed to KB. PF was apparently seeing someone else and plotting KB's murder! Of course he lied and of course when asked when the wedding was or when they were moving in together he made up something about cattle prices being down. MOO.

Very good point. CB was there, she must have witnessed them together and nothing in their behaviour gave her reason to suspect the relationship was off.

 

[susiQ]

Pinging is not ringing

I thougtht “pinging” mean a nearby tower picked up the cellphone signal. Not that the phone itself made any noise.

I have my phone set so that I do not get any aural notification of texts, or messages.

I understood what you meant. But if a phone doesn't ring when it's being called, whether is on or off, is it still pinging off a cell tower? Is that your opinion or is this based in irrefutable fact? Forgive me if I'm missing something here.

 

[Gardener1850]

Just a thought - there have been a lot of questions about the nature of PF and KB's relationship, and how much of it her mom actually understood. My guess is that she was well aware the relationship had fallen apart; however, the use of the word fiancee may have been used by CB in interviews to tick off IN, to make her believe that PF was lying to her so that she would turn on him and be more willing to report his/their activities to the police?

I doubt her mom lied in media interviews as some elaborate scheme. The police also called PF "the fiance" of KB. And his own lawyer said they had a good relationship. Her mom was just there to see KB in October and would have seen with her own eyes how they were acting. PF and KB could not have been broken up months prior to KB going missing as some in PF's circle of friends are claiming. PF might have been cheating on KB though and lying to her repeatedly about the status of their relationship. MOO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

That’s the purpose of pool cameras.

Unless something has changed, this should be televised.

The request for expanded media coverage was approved, contingent upon pool cameras being used.

Yesterday’s custody hearing involved a last minute change in that regard, but I was surprised that they initially planned on televising it in the first place.

We should be able to watch today’s hearing.

Yea goodness knows we can hardly rely on accurate reporting on this case by the media. smdh

 

[MassGuy]

Makes me wonder if plans were in the works much longer than 3 months. IMO, LE only knows the 3 month time frame because that’s what they were told.

I don’t see money as the motive, personally. Idk if K is a wealthy person or if she eked out a week to week existence.
Even if she has considerable assets, how would he get them, upon her death? Considering there seems to be little evidence of a sustained relationship between P & K, I wouldn’t think he was included in her will.

If P did begin planning in September, what happened in July.....August, to precipitate this?

MOO

Agreed. If he initially asked someone to kill her in September, then he almost certainly was mulling this over in his mind before that.

There has to be some sort of trigger here, something that changed in those preceding days, weeks, and months.

Right now, we have no idea what that is.

 

[Trudie]

Yes, sorry I saw you posted the same thing a few posts before me. KB's family visiting in October is huge, IMO. It shuts down any talk of "maybe KB was lying to her mom about the realtionship". KB's mom was there only a month before she disappeared. KB's mom would have seen with her own eyes how PF was acting and how the couple interacted with each other. She didn't see any signs KB was afraid for her life (the other reporter question revealed in that CBS video). She previously described them as loving and a good relationship. KB would have no reason to ask PF to fake a loving relationship for the benefit of her visiting family. But PF had a big motive to lie and continue to make it seem to KB and her family like he was still committed to KB. PF was apparently seeing someone else and plotting KB's murder! Of course he lied and of course when asked when the wedding was or when they were moving in together he made up something about cattle prices being down. MOO.

Gardener, Did CB see PF during her visit to CO?
Or, was he awol? If you know. Tysm

 

[PommyMommy]

That’s the purpose of pool cameras.

Unless something has changed, this should be televised.

The request for expanded media coverage was approved, contingent upon pool cameras being used.

Yesterday’s custody hearing involved a last minute change in that regard, but I was surprised that they initially planned on televising it in the first place.

We should be able to watch today’s hearing.

I sure hope so. Usually I see articles with links to live streams and such. Maybe as another poster said, we won't see it live but a recording later today.
MOO

 

[Love Never Fails]

Makes me wonder if plans were in the works much longer than 3 months. IMO, LE only knows the 3 month time frame because that’s what they were told.

I don’t see money as the motive, personally. Idk if K is a wealthy person or if she eked out a week to week existence.
Even if she has considerable assets, how would he get them, upon her death? Considering there seems to be little evidence of a sustained relationship between P & K, I wouldn’t think he was included in her will.

If P did begin planning in September, what happened in July.....August, to precipitate this?

MOO

I really don’t believe anything significant happened before September. I think he just wanted her out of his life. Maybe he even asked her to leave and she liked living there and bought herself a home anyway. However, he knew that baby was important to his mother. It still seems about custody to me. I wonder if this Idaho nurse was a friend doing him a favor and a friend with benefits but not a serious relationship. Someone who OWED him a favor maybe?

 

[SoVeryMe]

My sad thought, and NO disrespect to any nurses, but nurses deal with dead bodies more than the average person. I’m getting a sinking feeling assisting with the act and/or transporting KB’s body would not have been hard for IN. Given her profession, if that makes sense. I’m curious what she will be charged with...If/when she is charged. MOO

I am a nurse and see where your coming from. Most people have never even seen a dead body let alone one that had suffered traumatic injury.

However, I don’t think the profession has anything to do with one being callous enough to handle or dispose of a murdered body, one that suffered a horrific death at that. Some one truly evil is only capable of that. MOO

 

[Trudie]

Agreed. If he initially asked someone to kill her in September, then he almost certainly was mulling this over in his mind before that.

There has to be some sort of trigger here, something that changed in those preceding days, weeks, and months.

Right now, we have no idea what that is.

We will likely never know. IMO
It may have been something as trite as scheduling conflicts involving the baby. But it sure seems something peed him off. In a big way. Moo

 

[MassGuy]

We will likely never know. IMO
It may have been something as trite as scheduling conflicts involving the baby. But it sure seems something peed him off. In a big way. Moo

I do think that we’ll have a pretty good idea as to his motive, but that could be a long time in coming.

Text messages, people close to them, the person he solicited, someone or something should be able to shed some light on this.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I doubt her mom lied in media interviews as some elaborate scheme. The police also called PF "the fiance" of KB. And his own lawyer said they had a good relationship. Her mom was just there to see KB in October and would have seen with her own eyes how they were acting. PF and KB could not have been broken up months prior to KB going missing as some in PF's circle of friends are claiming. PF might have been cheating on KB though and lying to her repeatedly about the status of their relationship. MOO.

I really listened to that video and the reporter asked <paraphrasing here> if there were concerns for her safety or trouble at that October visit and CB said no.

After considering MassGuy's and others posts I don't believe CB intentionally led or misrepresented PF and KB's relationship, but she really may have been advised not to mention anything disparaging to PF because of the baby.

Either way, I agree Kelsey still believed there was a relationship. PF was def the one doing the behind the scenes lying and deceiving to friends, neighbors and families. IMHO

 

[KrisCo16]

I doubt her mom lied in media interviews as some elaborate scheme. The police also called PF "the fiance" of KB. And his own lawyer said they had a good relationship. Her mom was just there to see KB in October and would have seen with her own eyes how they were acting. PF and KB could not have been broken up months prior to KB going missing as some in PF's circle of friends are claiming. PF might have been cheating on KB though and lying to her repeatedly about the status of their relationship. MOO.

I'm not sure how elaborate it would be. In the case of Laura Wallen the police held a press conference with her fiancee, had him speak, had her parents sit next to him and her mom held his hand to make him feel more comfortable. Her parents were in on it the whole time! I'm not sure I'd have the strength to do that. I do agree with the other reasons she played nice - to keep little KB safe and to hopefully get a chance to see her. But I do wonder if there wasn't some sort of pressure on this other person. My mom and I are so close, and it sounds like KB had a close relationship with her mom, too. She may not have known everything, but it sounds like she at least knew they may have recently broken up (based on comments from KB's aunt).

 

[Mom24]

Agreed. If he initially asked someone to kill her in September, then he almost certainly was mulling this over in his mind before that.

There has to be some sort of trigger here, something that changed in those preceding days, weeks, and months.

Right now, we have no idea what that is.

We know she closed on the house in May, that might have caused him to feel a loss of control over her and the relationship. When is the height of the rodeo season? Is it June? July? did he find things weren't going well and that added to his feeling that things were spiraling out of control? Was the pressure of two women in his life, the lies he told about Kelsey catching up to him? The most intriguing thing about this case is his behavior, the stoicism, the cruelty and the coldness. He plays his cards close to his chest, he plans ahead and he's got a cruel streak, imo. It may not have been anything going on with Kelsey that initiated his actions, it may have been what was going on with his other gf or his family.
The thing that strikes me as a similarity between he and CW and other men who kill their partners is that quiet go along demeanor they have. They just go along with whatever is happening, they aren't happy but no one really pays attention or notices that they're planning and plotting.

 

[Gardener1850]

Yes, I think the photo of the three of them could be from the October visit. Which is so confusing to me. CB believed KB and PF were engaged and in a loving relationship.

I know, we have been fed a bunch of misinformation, disinformation and conflicting info about their relationship. But it's not too confusing when we think about it logically. I think we are seeing PF's lies coming out and his plot unraveling. He was apparently planning her murder for months while making her believe everything was normal with their relationship. KB's family has no motive to lie about their relationship status. KB had no motive to lie to her visiting family and deceive them with an elaborate scheme of a fake relationship. PF, however, had huge reasons to lie to KB, lie to her family and perhaps lie to a few of his friends and possibly his family too. He allegedly solicited KB's murder 3 times since Sept 2018. And then he tried to make it look like KB ran off on her own, abandoning her baby. He had to try to make it look like KB was unstable and irresponsible to set up a plausible scenario where she would disappear. Now police have evidence she is deceased and PF has been arrested. I think we can draw some strong conclusions about who may have been telling the truth and who was lying. And the police will most likely have evidence in the form of text messages showing that PF and KB's relationship was ongoing (or that KB believed it was). MOO.

 

[allboys]

Spencer Wilson on Twitter
Spencer Wilson‏Verified account @Spencer_WNews 14m14 minutes ago
A couple of new documents from the criminal case for #PatrickFrazee , charged with murdering his Fiancee #KelseyBerreth before a motions hearing today at 1:30. I'll break down each doc @KKTV11News

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Trying to understand what’s being said here with regards to Crim. P 16. Sounds like, understandably, PF and attorney are desperate to find out exactly what LE has found in digital and other evidence. Then, there’s an argument that defense’s request is too broad, and they need to be more specific.

Verified attorneys - what would that look like? Would they have to specify for example, that they want to see all texts and emails between PF and IN? And audio interviews between LE and IN??

Basically, it seems that with the defense having to be specific in what they request, it will make it clear what PF is most concerned about. But maybe I’m reading this wrong.

I know it’s driving PF crazy to not know exactly what LE has on him.
Ha. Ha.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

MOO MOO MOO

Here’s a thought....maybe the “affair” was between PF and KB. MSM is reporting that PF and the IN were long-term something-or-others (they just haven’t coalesced on what yet). Perhaps KB was the “affair” resulting in a child....the outsider who had to be gotten rid of? Motive?

MOO MOO MOO

 

[Charlot123]

I have to disagree with part of this. I am not a nurse but have worked with them in the medical field for many years and would agree that they do see more than their share of death, but participating in the act would be a completely different thing . Anyone with a conscience , even a tough and seasoned nurse, would have a pretty big problem with that.

I agree with you.

Moreover, I don't think IN's profession has anything to do with the situation. Likewise, the facts that KB was a pilot and PF, a farrier, are interesting, but random.

I would say, a nurse might freak out less on seeing a dead body, but at the same time, a nurse would often feel very compassionate at the sight of death.

In this regard, IN is an ill-fitting abbreviation.

 

[SoVeryMe]

As more information is coming out I’m leaning toward he wanted custody of K and KB out of the picture. He viewed KB as an obstacle to his future plans, possibly with someone else. With KB out of the picture he would be free to move on with little K and live whatever life he wanted. He didn’t want to be tied down to a “baby momma”. MOO