CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #23 *ARREST*

[Lhughessk]

This is an OT post - I suggest it be removed before our brand new thread gets shut down again.

I’d say it’s borderline and maybe not really OT. Gitana1 is a verified attorney, and we were comparing/contrasting other cases to this one. That can be useful and instructive when speculating how a case might unfold. But if mods want to remove or snip, fine by me.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Just a note-- toward the end of the above video a reporter asks KB's mom when she last saw her and CB says "October". That is the first time I have seen the month KB's family was there. This makes sense with the fall photo of KB, CB and Baby K. JMO.

BBM
Haa! Jinx I thought that was KEY TOO!

 

[Loulu]

My sad thought, and NO disrespect to any nurses, but nurses deal with dead bodies more than the average person. I’m getting a sinking feeling assisting with the act and/or transporting KB’s body would not have been hard for IN. Given her profession, if that makes sense. I’m curious what she will be charged with...If/when she is charged. MOO

I have to disagree with part of this. I am not a nurse but have worked with them in the medical field for many years and would agree that they do see and deal with more than their share of death, but participating in the act would be a completely different thing . Anyone with a conscience , even a tough and seasoned nurse, would have a pretty big problem with that.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Some videos from this morning:

Confirmation that KB’s mom did not see the baby after KB disappeared.
Glad that baby and grandmother are united now.

 

[oviedo]

What is the motive and where is she? This case is crazy. I have strong suspicion that this is about child custody. This man wasn't even living with her. I don't see how this can be about him feeling trapped, they were not married and he seems like he was not at all interested in a relationship, not sure why I get that from him, but I do. I think this was about control and the child IMO. It rings true that his mother is fighting for custody even as her son is charged with murder. IMO

Exactly - what is the motive for this? custody, money, revenge, jealousy, selfishness? I think LE may know IMO and this has led them in their investigation. JMO

 

[Gardenista]

My sister texted and said search warrants were issued for the woman who allegedly disposed of KB cell.
Any links??

This is all I could find

Search warrants have been served in Twin Falls, Idaho, in relation to the case, a Twin Falls Sheriff's Office spokeswoman said.

What we know about Kelsey Berreth's disappearance

 

[Trudie]

https://www.hmichaelsteinberg.com/c...ssory-to-a-crime-in-colorado-crs-18-8-105.htm

I found this info on CO aiding & abetting law quite interesting.

 

[MassGuy]

Exactly - what is the motive for this? custody, money, revenge, jealousy, selfishness? I think LE may know IMO and this has led them in their investigation. JMO

That’s the question that we are all asking, and we can only guess at this point.

I do think that LE has a pretty good idea though, especially from communication between PF and the person(s) that he solicited.

When you want someone dead, you usually communicate the reason.

 

[PommyMommy]

@PommyMommy last I checked they were looking for pool cameras today

For inside the courtroom? (Fingers crossed! )

 

[margarita25]

Patrick Frazee to appear in court Friday for motions hearing

““You’re usually looking at some form of body fluids, whether it’s blood or saliva or something like that,” Pfoff said.

Pfoff said the amount of evidence is so small, it’s likely not visible to the eye — meaning testing that evidence once tested would prevent any follow-up testing moving forward.“

 

[Kapua]

This is all I could find

Search warrants have been served in Twin Falls, Idaho, in relation to the case, a Twin Falls Sheriff's Office spokeswoman said.

What we know about Kelsey Berreth's disappearance

That's all I've read. I don't think you'll find a link that provides details of who the search warrants were served on or what they were searching for.

 

[Gardener1850]

BBM
Haa! Jinx I thought that was KEY TOO!

Yes, sorry I saw you posted the same thing a few posts before me. KB's family visiting in October is huge, IMO. It shuts down any talk of "maybe KB was lying to her mom about the realtionship". KB's mom was there only a month before she disappeared. KB's mom would have seen with her own eyes how PF was acting and how the couple interacted with each other. She didn't see any signs KB was afraid for her life (the other reporter question revealed in that CBS video). She previously described them as loving and a good relationship. KB would have no reason to ask PF to fake a loving relationship for the benefit of her visiting family. But PF had a big motive to lie and continue to make it seem to KB and her family like he was still committed to KB. PF was apparently seeing someone else and plotting KB's murder! Of course he lied and of course when asked when the wedding was or when they were moving in together he made up something about cattle prices being down. MOO.

 

[MassGuy]

For inside the courtroom?

That’s the purpose of pool cameras.

Unless something has changed, this should be televised.

The request for expanded media coverage was approved, contingent upon pool cameras being used.

Yesterday’s custody hearing involved a last minute change in that regard, but I was surprised that they initially planned on televising it in the first place.

We should be able to watch today’s hearing.

 

[Hatfield]

About a 2 min video.
My apologies if this I'd a repeat.
Check out @CBSThisMorning’s Tweet: CBS This Morning on Twitter

Thank you for this and it really makes sense that LE would investigate her for anything else she may or may not have done.

If LE found out she got rid of the phone then of course they will investigate her to see if she did anything else beside that.

"Sources tell @CBSNews that officials are investigating an Idaho woman for her possible role in Kelsey Berreth's disappearance in November."

CBS This Morning on Twitter

 

[heartgoesout]

Do we know for sure there was an actual affair with IN and PF or is that speculation/assumption?
Maybe PF just solicitated an old friend and comrades?

 

[MassGuy]

Do we know for sure there was an actual affair with IN and PF or is that speculation/assumption?
Maybe PF just solicitated an old friend and comrades?

No. There are reports to that effect, but no confirmation from law enforcement.

 

[KrisCo16]

Just a thought - there have been a lot of questions about the nature of PF and KB's relationship, and how much of it her mom actually understood. My guess is that she was well aware the relationship had fallen apart; however, the use of the word fiancee may have been used by CB in interviews to tick off IN, to make her believe that PF was lying to her so that she would turn on him and be more willing to report his/their activities to the police?

 

[gliving]

Just a note-- toward the end of the above video a reporter asks KB's mom when she last saw her and CB says "October". That is the first time I have seen the month KB's family was there. This makes sense with the fall photo of KB, CB and Baby K. JMO.

Yes, I think the photo of the three of them could be from the October visit. Which is so confusing to me. CB believed KB and PF were engaged and in a loving relationship.

 

[MassGuy]

Just a thought - there have been a lot of questions about the nature of PF and KB's relationship, and how much of it her mom actually understood. My guess is that she was well aware the relationship had fallen apart; however, the use of the word fiancee may have been used by CB in interviews to tick off IN, to make her believe that PF was lying to her so that she would turn on him and be more willing to report his/their activities to the police?

I don’t think her statement was designed for that purpose, but I do have a couple theories as to why she characterized the relationship the way she did.

She wanted to play nice, especially if she hoped to have access to her grandchild.

She was told to play nice, perhaps in an effort to keep open the lines of communication with PF.

His words could hurt him, especially if she had recorded conversations with him.

 

[oviedo]

Yes, sorry I saw you posted the same thing a few posts before me. KB's family visiting in October is huge, IMO. It shuts down any talk of "maybe KB was lying to her mom about the realtionship". KB's mom was there only a month before she disappeared. KB's mom would have seen with her own eyes how PF was acting and how the couple interacted with each other. She didn't see any signs KB was afraid for her life (the other reporter question revealed in that CBS video). She previously described them as loving and a good relationship. KB would have no reason to ask PF to fake a loving relationship for the benefit of her visiting family. But PF had a big motive to lie and continue to make it seem to KB and her family like he was still committed to KB. PF was apparently seeing someone else and plotting KB's murder! Of course he lied and of course when asked when the wedding was or when they were moving in together he made up something about cattle prices being down. MOO.

And we now know he was plotting before that visit - September 1 at the earliest!
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'Killer fiance' Patrick Frazee had been plotting the murder of Kelsey Berreth for THREE MONTHS | Daily Mail Online
The three counts of Solicitation to Commit Murder in the First Degree all state that 'between and including September l, 2018 and November 1,2018,