CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #25 *ARREST*

[tmar]

Maybe it's a terrible spreading virus!

Hope it doesn't spread to our phones/laptops etc.

 

[MyBelle]

I think she had more of a reason, from a jealousy thing of KB, to want to get rid of her then PF did. As a matter of fact I wonder if PF wasn’t using KB as a reason for not being together with KK.

I agree that simply being a nurse and/or a mom means nothing. I remember that astronaut, female, years back that was so love addicted that she drove across country in a diaper, as to not have to take a potty break, to kidnap and attack her romantic rival. https://www.nydailynews.com/news/na...l-violent-love-triangle-case-article-1.414775

Good point. I doubt PF is capable of being faithful to just one woman.

I don't believe KK was jealous of KB. There was really no reason for jealousy because KB and PF were not married. PF could have married KK and there wasn't a thing KB could do about it. I just don't see KK wanting to live with PF's mother any more than KB wanted to live there.

I think it is entirely possible that PF told KK a bunch of lies about KB as a "terrible" mother and that he wanted to take custody of the baby from KB so that he and KK could become a happy blended family. But if she is involved in any way, I think she's quickly learning there are consequences to actions. JMO

 

[Trudie]

I think the wording in the civil trial is meant to cover every possibility- just like we are speculating on, since the level of evidence doesn't need to be as high as in the criminal case. At least that is what i gathered from the attorneys here.

The car thing, i never understand it. TBH it happens all the time in spousal murder cases. I can list off a bunch for you but the one I was involved in- set up to look like the other woman murdered the wife but for some reason didn't take her car across the city to the house. no direct transit routes. It made no sense. Another one Sharon Osborne and son. Cars left behind. husband said she left. Without a car? Oh, she got in the car with some guy (love interest noone knows) and the teen son and never came back. So why do they consistently do this? I think because the details become too much. All they can really think about is killing this person and getting them out of their lives. They cover some details but if they are too hard to execute they think, they can't prove anything because she didn't take the car. they are going to be looking at me anyway, thats just an improveable extraneous thing. Honestly, that's all i can think of for why they do it in many cases. Its so dumb and illogical but then so is murder, why wouldn't we expect the details to be the same...

Lol, cars are not so easy to get rid of. Seems like they always show up. In airports, malls, parks, apartment complexes, etc. with cameras on every corner, it makes it even more difficult.

 

[esayer]

There are paints today that have such low voc that they literally do not smell. No fresh paint smell. Line is sold in any hardware store, made for those with asthma, sensitivity to smells, etc. One line is Natura Natura Paint
PF could have painted within just a couple of hours of KB's brother going to the apt and there would have been no smell. Paint takes about 1 hour to dry to touch.

I’m a painter and the low VOC paints still smell a lot.

 

[MyBelle]

I don’t think he needed a weapon.

Of course he didn't. He could have over-powered KB with one arm. JMO

 

[Gardener1850]

But, how long is the hiring process for DOSS? Was she submitting her resume, going for interviews, anticipating they would hire her. Thanks for reminding me about Springs, that had slipped my mind.

I don't know but if her "dream job" was at Doss Aviation in Pueblo, CO I don't understand looking for possible contacts in Florissant in 2016: Google Maps
And don't forget, she worked at a coffee shop at some point and was pregnant and unable to fly at some point. The Doss job might have paid more and that could be why she accepted a longer commute. Or it might have been the closest one she could get after her Springs job ended. Her employer at Springs spoke only positively of KB but she could have had to take too much maternity leave and lost that job (my speculation is she worked at the coffee shop while she was heavily pregnant/unable to fly and possibly in between aviation jobs). I have not seen a date for when she started work at Doss nor a date for when she worked at the coffee shop.

 

[Trudie]

Hahaha excellent point. No I think what I meant was that when she gets home, she maybe doesn’t want to socialize. I guess I should be speaking in past tense. Maybe she just wanted to spend whatever precious hours were left of the day with baby K. She prob would feed her, read to her, give her a bath, and that would likely be the end of the evening. So I’m not surprised that she didn’t know many people around in her neighborhood.

Possibly. Some people (sadly) just have no time for a social life. A new subdivision in my town requires large front porches on every home. They hope to bring back “neighboring”. Might be a good idea in this day & age.

 

[jaspermac]

Of course he didn't. He could have over-powered KB with one arm. JMO

Well, I'm a fighter. 5'3, sadly not 110lbs, lol. If cornered i bite and scratch and kick. My punch is pretty lame but I am really great at finger bending. He would get me in the end, but I would leave him looking like a cat got him. So he might do better with a weapon and the element of suprise would be extremely helpful as well.

 

[Trudie]

I don't know but if her "dream job" was at Doss Aviation in Pueblo, CO I don't understand looking for possible contacts in Florissant in 2016: Google Maps
And don't forget, she worked at a coffee shop at some point and was pregnant and unable to fly at some point. The Doss job might have paid more and that could be why she accepted a longer commute. Or it might have been the closest one she could get after her Springs job ended. Her employer at Springs spoke only positively of KB but she could have had to take too much maternity leave and lost that job (my speculation is she worked at the coffee shop while she was heavily pregnant/unable to fly and possibly in between aviation jobs). I have not seen a date for when she started work at Doss nor a date for when she worked at the coffee shop.

Idk either. I know an employer can’t say too much. Nor would one want to, imo.
I’ve never been able to determine if she flew or if she worked on the ground. Every thing I read is contradictory.

 

[MyBelle]

I don’t think it even has anything to do with federal jurisdiction. State prosecutors and LE have the same bargaining power when it comes to recommendations for reduction of charges in exchange for information.

I think there is a possibility of federal charges based on the fraudulent interstate communications sent over a stolen telephone to KB's employer. JMO

 

[Trudie]

Well, I'm a fighter. 5'3, sadly not 110lbs, lol. If cornered i bite and scratch and kick. My punch is pretty lame but I am really great at finger bending. He would get me in the end, but I would leave him looking like a cat got him. So he might do better with a weapon and the element of suprise would be extremely helpful as well.

I think she had the element of surprise when she closed her door behind her.

 

[MassGuy]

I’m a painter and the low VOC paints still smell a lot.

I forgot, you’re the perfect person to ask.

Hypothetically, say that PF did some painting in Kelsey’s house, do you think it would still leave a detectable odor after 10 (ish) days?

 

[jaspermac]

I think she had the element of surprise when she closed her door behind her.

For sure! But unless he knew 100 percent that he could immobilize her immediately he was taking a risk on getting marks he would have to explain, so that's why I am leaning towards a weapon. But there have been lots of cases without a weapon so I could be wrong. (and he took the risk of leaving the cars, the cinnamon buns, her makeup and clothes, the list goes on and on and on.. risk averse he was not)

 

[Trudie]

The one thing that PF couldn't anticipate or control is when KB would be reported missing. IMO, he had to assume that she could be reported missing at any time...so there would be some urgency to getting the clean-up completed and the phone on its way to ID.
IMO, the cleanup commenced immediately and with a pair of *nameless* helping hands to help expedite the process. JMO.

ETA: Sorry, did I actually just say, "The one thing PF couldn't anticipate..."

Having her phone helped, he knew if she had calls or texts coming in, until,the phone was ditched.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

For real, it is a hard lesson looking at a map and seeing the distance and assuming an average speed of 55. You can be hours late.

55? Is it 1972? Isn’t the speed limit at least 65 or 70? (That wasn’t meant to sound snarky. It’s late. )

 

[Hatch]

I agree, except for family...my sisters are both in a different state but monitor my existence...at least within 48 hrs if not sooner, they would report. My local friends might go a few days longer, but not relatives. But none as long as this case...

We have not discussed if she had local gal friends ? I hope surely she had one friend she confided in. Have heard no mention of a best friend anywhere. If it has been discussed I missed it that is for sure.
Edit- grrr

 

[Trudie]

For sure! But unless he knew 100 percent that he could immobilize her immediately he was taking a risk on getting marks he would have to explain, so that's why I am leaning towards a weapon. But there have been lots of cases without a weapon so I could be wrong. (and he took the risk of leaving the cars, the cinnamon buns, her makeup and clothes, the list goes on and on and on.. risk averse he was not)

I’m only speculating, obviously.
It’s possible she walked in, bent over to set the baby carrier on the floor and was choked then & there. If someone got her from behind, she had no recourse. Moo

 

[Trudie]

We have not discussed if she had local gal friends ? I hope surely she had one friend she confided in. Have heard no mention of a best friend anywhere.

I think her friends are being respectful of the family & remaining silent. IMO, nothing they might say can change a thing.

 

[Gardener1850]

I haven't seen the Sonic video topic in any MSM- has that been ruled out a hoax? I may be late to the party- haven't followed for several hours.

I'm skeptical of that info right now. Posters are saying it was in KDRO(?) live broadcast but I didn't see the video and I have yet to see anything show up online in print repeating the Sonic info. Perhaps right after the live broadcast the reporter found out he/she got bad info? From what I read here it seems like the news station went to the Sonic and got a video from employees of someone in a drive thru that could possibly be KK on Nov 24th -- the Sonic video didn't come from LE AFAIK. Since we are not seeing it corroborated by other stations, I'm flashing back to another case where a gas station attendant gave the Daily Mail a CCTV video purporting to show "a suspect" in a case that turned out to be a suicide (i.e. There was no suspect and that gas station video was basically a hoax-- That was the Rita Maze case if anyone is curious). I'm a bit gun shy to trust lone reports since that case. MOO.

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

For sure! But unless he knew 100 percent that he could immobilize her immediately he was taking a risk on getting marks he would have to explain, so that's why I am leaning towards a weapon. But there have been lots of cases without a weapon so I could be wrong. (and he took the risk of leaving the cars, the cinnamon buns, her makeup and clothes, the list goes on and on and on.. risk averse he was not)

In this scenario, how do you think the robbery would come in? The robbery part is what perplexes me. With info we have it seems so unnecessary (no murder is necessary obviously). MOO