CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #27 *ARREST*

[skycountry]

something i have been thinking about is i'd like to read more background on KB. from what i understand she met PF online and relatively shortly thereafter moved to CO. is it known at about what date they met and then around what date she moved? and if PF was something of a ladies man then why import from over 1,000 miles away with all the somewhat emotional baggage that would go along with that? has anyone read an article from KB former home town in, i think , WA , that has reactions and/or personal insights from people/friends/co-workers into this happening to KB and what she was like before she left? i have not seen any "human interest" stories about KB prior to her move and it would help me understand this relationship with PF somewhat. anyone seen coverage of KB life pre - CO?

I think you answered your own question, "with all the somewhat emotional baggage" he had to "import" from a 1000 miles away.

 

[riolove77]

Another perplexing thing, if PF solicited any person 3X, why the heck did that person not go directly to LE upon hearing the victim went missing?

If John Doe asks me ONE time to kill his wife Jane & I decline, only to later learn Jane is missing, I’d be at the police department with my attorney,

Not if you were involved in any capacity you wouldn’t.

 

[BRRI]

I personally don’t think he wanted the baby dead too. His mother watched her a lot and is even seeking custody. He could have let KBs mom see her but didn’t. I think he saw the baby as his property. JMO

Agree. I do think he loves the baby, as much as his messed up head allows. If you believe reports by friends in MSM, he was with the baby daily, brought her along with him to work, so I’m sure he was close to her.

I almost wonder if he was the one who was primary caretaker of the baby, and then one day KB tells him she’s going to move, her mom would now watch the baby, and she would seek primary custody. That would be a hard blow for any parent who is primary caretaker. Mix in a girlfriend who nags about KB, prior discussions of killing KB suddenly are ringing in his head as the anger grows.

 

[Kapua]

Another perplexing thing, if PF solicited any person 3X, why the heck did that person not go directly to LE upon hearing the victim went missing?

If John Doe asks me ONE time to kill his wife Jane & I decline, only to later learn Jane is missing, I’d be at the police department with my attorney,

If John Doe asks me to kill his wife Jane, I am calling Jane and the police. MOO

 

[Trudie]

Not if you were involved in any capacity you wouldn’t.

Absolutely correct!

 

[Jupiter05]

something i have been thinking about is i'd like to read more background on KB. from what i understand she met PF online and relatively shortly thereafter moved to CO. is it known at about what date they met and then around what date she moved? and if PF was something of a ladies man then why import from over 1,000 miles away with all the somewhat emotional baggage that would go along with that? has anyone read an article from KB former home town in, i think , WA , that has reactions and/or personal insights from people/friends/co-workers into this happening to KB and what she was like before she left? i have not seen any "human interest" stories about KB prior to her move and it would help me understand this relationship with PF somewhat. anyone seen coverage of KB life pre - CO?

Everyone from her life has been very tight lipped. Just a few nuggets from her cousin that you also are aware of from your post. We have just heard that she was very shy, sweet, loving and kind.

 

[Herat]

Thanks, I thought I had read a brother was XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

eta Would that be XXXXXXXXXX

Please remove the information. We canot sleuth family members who are not named by LE as being involved in the crime

 

[Trudie]

If John Doe asks me to kill his wife Jane, I am calling Jane and the police. MOO

If I don’t like Jane and think she’s ruined my life by having a baby with my cowboy, I might not call her. Might pay her a F2F visit. If something bad happens, blame the cowboy. Speculation only......

 

[The Night Watchman]

Thanks, I thought I had read #########. I am curious if this will in any way impact his career in LE?

eta Would that be #####?

Hey skycountry, I know you are new here, so I'll just point out you can't use names of people that are not allowed to be sleuthed. Best if you could go back to your post and hit edit, then delete the ETA line. TIA

 

[tmar]

Yes, there already is a wrongful death suit that includes her if she is the one who was solicited, but if there are further charges and she is found to have played a larger role I don't see why they could not file an additional one against her. I'm not sure how that would work, but it's a good question. Imo

Has it been confirmed that it was KK using her credit card at Sonic?
If this is the case, this may implicate KK played a larger role in obtaining the phone, and driving home.
MOO.

 

[Hopefullyhelpful]

I personally don’t think he wanted the baby dead too. His mother watched her a lot and is even seeking custody. He could have let KBs mom see her but didn’t. I think he saw the baby as his property. JMO

At least not until the baby was worth some actual physical dollars, then who knows what kind of an accident she might have run into. JMHO

 

[Trudie]

Thanks, I thought I had read a brother was a K9 LE in Colorado Springs. I am curious if this will in any way impact his career in LE?

eta Would that be Sean Frazee CSPD?

IMO, despite the charges levied against PF, his family can’t be penalized for simply being related.

 

[Jupiter05]

I think you answered your own question, "with all the somewhat emotional baggage" he had to "import" from a 1000 miles away.

<modsnip - rumor>. Not sure she really moved FOR PF, more for the job as a pilot instructor and to be closer to PF. Perhaps once the pregnancy occured, she moved to WP. I get the feeling that this could be about the time everything started turning south, after she moved to WP and had the baby. Maybe PF does not like his women living too close. IMO

 

[Plo_Koon]

What?
Her picture or a woman identified by msm as KK are available and have been for days.
A rodeo has nothing to do with anyone’s weight. IMO

Obviously it has nothing to do with anyone's weight. I just wanted to know what information you were basing her possibly having a weight problem on, or if you were just throwing it out there.

I was also referring to a post on this thread I read earlier today stating there has been no NEW pictures of KK since any of this information involving her involvement in this case started being reported by MSM. The fact that there was no new pictures is what made me curious as to what you were basing possible weight/body image issues on. I was only asking for clarification and was not trying to get snarky or short with you.

I unfortunately am at work and don't have time to go back and read through the thread right now. I will try and find it and link back
MOO

 

[skycountry]

Please remove the information. We canot sleuth family members who are not named by LE as being involved in the crime

Ok, I edited the name out, but can I leave the question I had about him?

 

[Nudgee]

I tweeted her. It’s been corrected

Thank You... I would just hate to see any kind of small error/miscommunication muddy the waters of hoping to find KB and bring justice where it should be served. This case is spread so wide open, even the little things worry me.

 

[relm11310]

So lets say I'm in her position. LE comes to talk to me and they have enough information about the cellphone that I start talking and talking. He told me to take the cellphone to idaho and send the messages. I didn't want to I was afraid. He scared me. He didn't just kill KB in a fit of anger, he planned it out. He came to me three different times to ask me to do it. If he was willing to kill KB, he might kill me so i did it. etc etc More detail. Do you think she could get immunity for her role in the cellphone if she was able to make it look like she was afraid of him. Not saying it is a good story- she could have gone to the police, lives hundreds and hundreds of miles away. But do you think LE would make an immunity deal because her info was good and all she did was dispose of the phone and send messages , or not? Obviously, i don't expect you to read minds lol, but liklihood?

I hope they will be able to see that she somehow drove or traveled from Idaho to Colorado. It doesn’t seem like she would do this willingly if she was afraid of him.

I keep thinking about Kelsey’s family members that said this was so complicated. Maybe we never will know all of the details and certainly not the thought process behind such a senseless act. Makes me wonder what LE knows and how long they have had these details.

 

[Jupiter05]

Obviously it has nothing to do with anyone's weight. I just wanted to know what information you were basing her possibly having a weight problem on, or if you were just throwing it out there.

I was also referring to a post on this thread I read earlier today stating there has been no NEW pictures of KK since any of this information involving her involvement in this case started being reported by MSM. The fact that there was no new pictures is what made me curious as to what you were basing possible weight/body image issues on. I was only asking for clarification and was not trying to get snarky or short with you.

I unfortunately am at work and don't have time to go back and read through the thread right now. I will try and find it and link back
MOO

Her social media accounts have been scrubbed so any recent photos are scrubbed as well. This all happened right before her name was put out there.

 

[Trudie]

Do a search, several pictures of KK out there, and more than half of Americans are struggling with weight issues. IMO

I only mention the weight because imo, KK looks drastically dif’ (imo) from her rodeo queen days.

 

[gngr~snap]

I think we all know that LE scan social media sites for info sometimes. What's being said, what's the rumor(s) out there. The detective/agent that's sitting there drinking coffee reading WS - come on! Who's hot on their sleuthing, who's cold?!

All my opinion. lol

Hmm...
LE has also been known to shut down social media accounts.
When did IN Facebook disappear?
Did she shut it down in the hopes that LE couldn't retrieve anything from it because she closed it?
I'm pretty sure they can still access all of the history from Facebook-
Maybe that's how they knew about the solicitation?
Moo