CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #30 *ARREST*

[SandyQLS]

When Mark Hacking murdered his wife Lori Hacking July 19, 2004, he was admitted to the psychiatric hospital...
Murder of Lori Hacking - Wikipedia

 

[SandyQLS]

According to the R’s, PF and KK owned horses together. I think cattle dogs are also a connection to the two.

A WS poster found that PF had sold dogs to someone in that TF/Gooding area of Idaho in 2010. I didn't pay enough attention to the info at the time...

IMO Is it possible that PF/KK are also related in the cattle business?

 

[Trudie]

Until I see evidence against P, I think he picked his child up, returned to the ranchette & something went down @ the condo. Did he prearrange it? Or did a scheming, scorned woman?

If P/KK had a romantic type relationship in the past, at some point, it ended. Maybe, when she married?
But, from what we think we know, her love/obsession did not end. Owning horses together indicates (to me) they had an agreement to be friends. We’ve all ended a relationship & say, “but, we can still be friends”. Perhaps, KK thought she’d once again be the object of his desire.??

Then, KB arrives on scene. Then a baby. Now, P is even busier, has little time to hang out. Not a stretch to consider KK was mad enough to kill.

Set the stage....start telling the bestie P wants this & that.
When this & that happens, she thinks her butt is covered. Her bestie knows P wanted KB dead! Plus bestie told her boss, an attorney.

Of course things go wrong. After all, she’s a nurse, not a mastermind criminal. So much to do. Turn phone off, turn on, send texts, eat at Sonic, clean up....all on no sleep, after a long adrenaline fueled drive.

FBI questions her, she flubs up & now is really petrified (with good reason) & self admits to a med’ facility.

Speculation only

 

[Lhughessk]

@SandyQLS (pack of coyote outside my BR window, ugh
So, no sleep)

Yup, unless I hear otherwise, I’m assuming KK is responsible for things she deeply regrets & has “checked” in. Where? Idk.
I just got off phone with an atty I sometimes date, asked him, he agreed. He is not in CO, knows nothing about this case other than what I briefly told him.
He agreed, if she’s not around, not in jail, she’s hospitalized & they ain’t telling us.**
Maybe our VAs wanna weigh in?
Not saying this is fact guys, just a thought I had as I listened to howling coyote.

**my friend has actually had a client “admit” for health care, to delay facing consequences. The doctor would not allow LE to question the client/patient for weeks, he was too fragile.

Again, speculation!

Not implying a specific med’ issue, either. For all I know, she could have appendicitis (wink wink)

If she was tucked away in a hospital, why would LE fight so hard to keep that affidavit away from PF? They said it was for the safety of witnesses, and I would assume she is Witness Zero. If she is in a facility somewhere, then there would be no reason to be concerned about her safety.

 

[Esma]

A WS poster found that PF had sold dogs to someone in that TF/Gooding area of Idaho in 2010. I didn't pay enough attention to the info at the time...

It is possible that PF/KK are also related in the cattle business.

Yes, could be a cattle connection too. Not that they shared a business, but that they could have bought and sold between each other’s ranches, including bulls, horses, cattle dogs. Like I said, I saw a pic on the web which had a pack of dogs in it, the same breed as PF’s. Not a MSM source so I can’t post the pic to show the people in the pic. I’m sure LE has a handle on any business transactions between the ranches that may have occurred. I’m sure PF has sold dogs and livestock in other parts of Idaho and other states around there as well. That’s all part of what ranchers/breeders do regularly.

 

[The Farm]

What is holding me up on the involvement of KK, say IF she was the mastermind and did the deed and is putting all the blame on PF why has he not turned around and said hey wait, this was her idea? Blame to blame each other.
No answers until we see what LE has for evidence against PF.

 

[Esma]

What is holding me up on the involvement of KK, say IF she was the mastermind and did the deed and is putting all the blame on PF why has he not turned around and said hey wait, this was her idea? Blame to blame each other.
No answers until we see what LE has for evidence against PF.

We don’t know what he has said to his attorney. I don’t think he’s going to admit to any involvement, IMO.

 

[Trudie]

If she was tucked away in a hospital, why would LE fight so hard to keep that affidavit away from PF? They said it was for the safety of witnesses, and I would assume she is Witness Zero. If she is in a facility somewhere, then there would be no reason to be concerned about her safety.

WHY would LE be concerned for her safety? IMO, she’s been under 24/7 surveillance for several days.
If ya all recall, I mentioned a cpl threads back I’d be concerned she MIGHT be suicidal if she was not arrested & had involvement. Not saying she is.
Moo

The Farm, we don’t know what’s going on between P/atty. he’s a good client for a def’ atty, imo.
I’m not excluding him 100%. I’ve never been able to establish a motive for him to want KB dead. He seemed to enjoy ample time with baby K, free to travel, etc.
I’ve read he had the baby 50% of the time. Ok. Is it worth risking death row to have her 100%? Money? I don’t think KB was wealthy. So what? Idk

Not accusing, only speculating

 

[Esma]

WHY would LE he concerned for her safety? IMO, she’s been under 24/7 surveillance for several days.
If ya all recall, I mentioned a cpl threads back I’d be concerned she MIGHT be suicidal if she was not arrested & had involvement. Not saying she is.
Moo

This goes back to the question of a 3rd person involved imo.

 

[Lhughessk]

WHY would LE he concerned for her safety? IMO, she’s been under 24/7 surveillance for several days.
If ya all recall, I mentioned a cpl threads back I’d be concerned she MIGHT be suicidal if she was not arrested & had involvement. Not saying she is.
Moo

Why would they be concerned for her safety? Because she is their #1 witness against PF and they need her.

I saw your speculation in another post where you think basically PF isn’t involved and it’s really her being a mastermind and trying to set him up. Respectfully, I see no evidence of that at all. LE have evidence of PF soliciting for murder 3 times, and they wouldn’t arrest and charge him with that based solely on her word. They have more evidence.

 

[Trudie]

I’m going one step further with my speculation

The bestie might know more.
KK May have told her what to say, etc. now, the bestie is smack dab in the middle of a big pile of manure.
Might she be telling the R’s only part of the story, out of fear. But, they MIGHT suspect KK is actually much more than a phone disposer? Lawyer R just ain’t gonna “accuse” her on TV?

Not accusing, speculation only

Lhughessk, how can she EVER be believed IF she had one part in it? Moo.
I pray to a higher power no one needs her as a witness.
Moo

 

[cluciano63]

Wonder what LE could have on PF other than texts, emails, things that feasibly could have been faked or sent by someone with access to his devices...not saying I believe that happened but a defense attorney might say so. What els could prove solicitation? Tapes of him asking someone to murder KB?

 

[The Farm]

We don’t know what he has said to his attorney. I don’t think he’s going to admit to any involvement, IMO.

Yes I know but thinking he is the one sitting in a jail cell and I would have been screaming her involvement right from the get go.
I can not wait to see if this scenario might be as I do feel she could be more involved than what is being portrayed at the moment.

[QUOTE="Trudie, post: 14719759, member: 234750}

The Farm, we don’t know what’s going on between P/atty. he’s a good client for a def’ atty, imo.
I’m not excluding him 100%. I’ve never been able to establish a motive for him to want KB dead. He seemed to enjoy ample time with baby K, free to travel, etc.
I’ve read he had the baby 50% of the time. Ok. Is it worth risking death row to have her 100%? Money? I don’t think KB was wealthy. So what? Idk[/QUOTE]

That's just it, I do not see a motive, PF & KB situation seemed to be working as it was. If she had not planned on staying in CO. I feel she would not have bought that townhome as recent as May. So did PF have a fear of her leaving with the baby?
It happens everyday, women get permission from the courts and move with their kids, no reason to kill someone but I guess it would be for some.

Now that KK is in the picture I am looking at this quite differently and then to see maybe there is a 3rd person.
A woman scorned can be a vicious thing.

 

[Esma]

I have a feeling part of the complexity of this case has something to do with the motive. I think the motive was something none of us have come close to hitting on and will be very surprising when revealed. It may have nothing to do with love, hate or affairs.

 

[Trudie]

Again, none of my posts are accusing KK. I’m thinking & speculating.
Some think she’s in PC.
I don’t think she’s holed up in a Holiday Inn Express, eating truffles in bed.
She can protect herself, imo.
She had no fear of putting herself in the presence of a man planning to murder a woman & had (according to her) killed before.

@SandyQLS I remember MH going to the”hospital”. It bought him time. Now, my atty friend started to tell me how LE can get around the doctor after getting a Judge to sign a warrant. Unfortunately, my friend had a call he had to take.

 

[Lhughessk]

I’m going one step further with my speculation

The bestie might know more.
KK May have told her what to say, etc. now, the bestie is smack dab in the middle of a big pile of manure.
Might she be telling the R’s only part of the story, out of fear. But, they MIGHT suspect KK is actually much more than a phone disposer? Lawyer R just ain’t gonna “accuse” her on TV?

Not accusing, speculation only

Lhughessk, how can she EVER be believed IF she had one part in it? Moo.
I pray to a higher power no one needs her as a witness.
Moo

Just a reminder that we’ve never once heard from KK. We’ve never heard from LE about KK. We’ve heard from someone who knows someone who knows her, and that’s pretty shaky ground. There are no charges against her and no naming of her by LE as doing anything but possibly disposing of a phone - and even with that, it’s unclear how much she would have known.

So to call her scheming and scorned, and treat her like a mastermind in a murder plot is a far stretch, IMHO.

 

[Esma]

Just a reminder that we’ve never once heard from KK. We’ve never heard from LE about KK. We’ve heard from someone who knows someone who knows her, and that’s pretty shaky ground. There are no charges against her and no naming of her by LE as doing anything but possibly disposing of a phone - and even with that, it’s unclear how much she would have known.

So to call her scheming and scorned, and treat her like a mastermind in a murder plot is a far stretch, IMHO.

Agree. We don’t know anything about her, nor any LE confirmed involvement.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Until I see evidence against P, I think he picked his child up, returned to the ranchette & something went down @ the condo. Did he prearrange it? Or did a scheming, scorned woman?

If P/KK had a romantic type relationship in the past, at some point, it ended. Maybe, when she married?
But, from what we think we know, her love/obsession did not end. Owning horses together indicates (to me) they had an agreement to be friends. We’ve all ended a relationship & say, “but, we can still be friends”. Perhaps, KK thought she’d once again be the object of his desire.??

Then, KB arrives on scene. Then a baby. Now, P is even busier, has little time to hang out. Not a stretch to consider KK was mad enough to kill.

Set the stage....start telling the bestie P wants this & that.
When this & that happens, she thinks her butt is covered. Her bestie knows P wanted KB dead! Plus bestie told her boss, an attorney.

Of course things go wrong. After all, she’s a nurse, not a mastermind criminal. So much to do. Turn phone off, turn on, send texts, eat at Sonic, clean up....all on no sleep, after a long adrenaline fueled drive.

FBI questions her, she flubs up & now is really petrified (with good reason) & self admits to a med’ facility.

Speculation only

And all the while, he doesn't do anything to out her or follow up that his fiance is missing? That doesn't make sense. Occam's razor.

 

[Trudie]

Just a reminder that we’ve never once heard from KK. We’ve never heard from LE about KK. We’ve heard from someone who knows someone who knows her, and that’s pretty shaky ground. There are no charges against her and no naming of her by LE as doing anything but possibly disposing of a phone - and even with that, it’s unclear how much she would have known.

So to call her scheming and scorned, and treat her like a mastermind in a murder plot is a far stretch, IMHO.

I didn’t name her or anyone as scheming or scorned.

You’re right. KK was probably delighted the love of her life found a brilliant, beautiful, confident woman & had a child with her. She had no reason to wish KB dead or to seek revenge on her former lover, did she? She only disposed of the phone out of fear.

 

[The Farm]

Just a reminder that we’ve never once heard from KK. We’ve never heard from LE about KK. We’ve heard from someone who knows someone who knows her, and that’s pretty shaky ground. There are no charges against her and no naming of her by LE as doing anything but possibly disposing of a phone - and even with that, it’s unclear how much she would have known.

So to call her scheming and scorned, and treat her like a mastermind in a murder plot is a far stretch, IMHO.

I agree but it is a possibility just like all the other ideas on here.
One thing is for sure, we have NO idea.