CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #35 *ARREST*

[LovesPeace2]

Am I way behind, has someone already posted that KKL's Colorado attorney has answered the Summons in her case and has filed a demand to produce evidence, witnesses against her, any agreements made with witnesses against her, etc?
Rio.............does this look like a plea bargain has been struck, or does it signal that she intends to fight the charge?
Colorado Judicial Branch - Teller - Cases of Interest - People v. Krystal Jean Kenney

I wonder if she's changing her mind

 

[PommyMommy]

whether this a conflict also depends on how you read #2- did the neighbor see the truck exactly between 12:30 and 1pm, or did the neighbor "first see" the truck between 12:30 and 1pm? was it gone after 1 pm? I can see a witness saying "I saw the truck....oh, somewhere around 12:30, 1 pm....."

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
JUST IN: One of Kelsey Berreth’s neighbors tells me she saw Patrick Frazee arrive at Berreth’s townhome on Thanksgiving Day between 12:30 and 1 p.m. She says she recognized the red truck, having saw him drive through multiple times to pick up their daughter. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth

 

[Seattle1]

after he drove to CO, and checked KB's condo, her brother said that KB had not packed for a trip because her suitcase (s?) and make up were still at the condo.... that is what her brother said about make up...(don't ask me to find the quote)

Yes, KB didn't pack according to her brother.

But that is not what OP said. OP was correcting poster that his/her recall was incorrect.

It was CB that spoke publicly about KB's appearance.

 

[MsBetsy]

whether this a conflict also depends on how you read #2- did the neighbor see the truck exactly between 12:30 and 1pm, or did the neighbor "first see" the truck between 12:30 and 1pm? was it gone after 1 pm? I can see a witness saying "I saw the truck....oh, somewhere around 12:30, 1 pm....."

If I remember correctly, the neighbor saw the truck arrive sometime between 12:30 and 1:00. But it is not known how long the truck was there or what time he left. Just that it was there at some point within that timeframe. Imo

 

[katydid23]

FROM THE ARCHIVES---thread 1:


Cardgame, Dec 10, 2018
Some facts from the presser I noted:

mother reported her missing to LE on 12.37pm dec 2nd

kelsey texted WORK on November 25th telling work she would not be in the following week

officers went to residence on dec 2nd ‘welfare check’ she was not there

mother reached out to fiance [are we allowed to name him yet or not since he is not a suspect?] saying he hadn’t heard from Kelsey since nov 25th when she texted him

the daughter was exchanged at Safeway on nov 22nd, child is now with father

Kelsey shopped with her daughter last sighting was 12.27pm nov 22pm

phone pinged 5.13pm Idaho on Nov 25th

home and vehicles have been searched

no suspects

mother last spoke to Kelsey 19 days ago

mother states:

Kelsey does not run off. out of character. loves her daughter and job. reliable, considerate, honest.

Journalists ask questions. LE answers:

Fiance isn’t there. he was invited. he is ‘co-operative at this time’

No indication that she has taken off in an aeroplane

the baby is with the father

nothing to indicate foul play

KB has lived in the area since 2016, he won’t comment on other factors which might have made her disappear

yes they searched the apartment, the buns were cold

they have not searched the fiance's apartment

Journalist asks to clarify that they have separate residences. Policeman is about to say he won't comment on their relationship when the mother interrupts to say 'they have never lived together'.

journalist - Why didn’t fiancee report her missing?

LE - ‘That’s a question we’ll have to ask [FIANCEE]’

They exchanged the daughter on Thanksgiving Day. It is still unclear who has primary custody.

The mother lives in Idaho.

No indication of danger to community.

No police records of DV.

Journalist asks to clarify fact that KB 'went missing' and THEN requested time off from work – via TEXT. LE says KB didn’t say why she was requesting time off. They end the press conference, saying that LE are asking the same questions.

A journalist asks if Fiancee is a suspect. The policeman says ‘at this time he is the father of her daughter, This is a missing persons case’

Hope I have reported all that accurately. {EDITED to remove accidental name}

Last edited: Dec 10, 2018



AHA----see this from the above notes:

"the daughter was exchanged at Safeway on nov 22nd, child is now with father"

I think this^^^ was PF's original version of the story

 

[Oregon]

Am I way behind, has someone already posted that KKL's Colorado attorney has answered the Summons in her case and has filed a demand to produce evidence, witnesses against her, any agreements made with witnesses against her, etc?
Rio.............does this look like a plea bargain has been struck, or does it signal that she intends to fight the charge?
Colorado Judicial Branch - Teller - Cases of Interest - People v. Krystal Jean Kenney

IMO this may relate to forthcoming charges. Or, is it CY(KKL)A in the event that she can not/will not meet the requirements of her plea deal.

 

[Seattle1]

Sam Kraemer on Twitter
JUST IN: One of Kelsey Berreth’s neighbors tells me she saw Patrick Frazee arrive at Berreth’s townhome on Thanksgiving Day between 12:30 and 1 p.m. She says she recognized the red truck, having saw him drive through multiple times to pick up their daughter. @KOAA #KelseyBerreth

Thanks Pommy.

....between 12:30 and 1pm. emphasis added.

 

[katydid23]

FROM THE ARCHIVES---1st thread----here is the first time we hear from the 'fiance', through his attorney:




Missing Woodland Park mother requested time off work

[...]

Berreth's fiancé, [PF], said he hadn't heard from her since Nov. 25, but last saw her when he took their daughter. Their daughter is still with [PF], police said.

De Young said [PF] was invited to the news conference but didn't attend. He's being cooperative with the investigation and wasn't named as a suspect, with De Young only saying "[PF] is the father of their child."

The chief added that police hadn't searched [PF] house -- the two didn't live together -- and said it was "something to look into." He also confirmed that Berreth's phone was last pinged on Nov. 25 in Idaho.

De Young said that he didn't have any record of a domestic violence history between the two and concluded by saying there's no threat to the public.

 

[Aydrianna523]

YES!!!!! Someone perhaps took her to store dropped her off and then came back to get her ?????? PF???

If PF dropped her off at the store, the baby would have remained in the truck. I haven't really understood the conversation about her transportation to the store...
The neighbor saw the cars in her driveway about 12:30 or 1.

 

[katydid23]

So I am up to Dec 11th in the archives, and we are still believing that the couple 'exchanged custody at the Safeway.'

I think that is fascinating. Why was that the original story told? Was it the real story?

Did he take the baby at Safeway, hand her off to someone, like KK, and then quickly follow KB home and blindside her?

 

[girlhasnoname]

But she had a friend who was in CO. She on the news quite a bit last week.

I'm sorry I must have missed it. I haven't followed here as closely as there didn't seem to be much going on until this new KK announcement. That's great if she had a friend speaking on her behalf.

I've always felt KB has been lost in this entire case. It's been about PF and KK and her numerous nicknames and glory rodeo days, etc. I want to see PF and KK prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law on the charges they are found guilty of. Then maybe the B family and baby K can begin to move forward with life as best they can without their sweet daughter and mother.

 

[skyedaze]

IMO this may relate to forthcoming charges. Or, is it CY(KKL)A in the event that she can not/will not meet the requirements of her plea deal.

"Ms. Kenney hereby revokes and rescinds all releases, waivers and authorizations for the release of information which she may have heretofore made"
hmmm...that does not sound great to me...plus all of the prosecution witness impeachment verbiage. Hopefully it's just CYA. hmmm

 

[LAHOLLA]

"Ms. Kenney hereby revokes and rescinds all releases, waivers and authorizations for the release of information which she may have heretofore made"
hmmm...that does not sound great to me...plus all of the prosecution witness impeachment verbiage. Hopefully it's just CYA. hmmm

 

[PommyMommy]

FROM THE ARCHIVES---thread 1:


Cardgame, Dec 10, 2018
Some facts from the presser I noted:

mother reported her missing to LE on 12.37pm dec 2nd

kelsey texted WORK on November 25th telling work she would not be in the following week

officers went to residence on dec 2nd ‘welfare check’ she was not there

mother reached out to fiance [are we allowed to name him yet or not since he is not a suspect?] saying he hadn’t heard from Kelsey since nov 25th when she texted him

the daughter was exchanged at Safeway on nov 22nd, child is now with father

Kelsey shopped with her daughter last sighting was 12.27pm nov 22pm

phone pinged 5.13pm Idaho on Nov 25th

home and vehicles have been searched

no suspects

mother last spoke to Kelsey 19 days ago

mother states:

Kelsey does not run off. out of character. loves her daughter and job. reliable, considerate, honest.

Journalists ask questions. LE answers:

Fiance isn’t there. he was invited. he is ‘co-operative at this time’

No indication that she has taken off in an aeroplane

the baby is with the father

nothing to indicate foul play

KB has lived in the area since 2016, he won’t comment on other factors which might have made her disappear

yes they searched the apartment, the buns were cold

they have not searched the fiance's apartment

Journalist asks to clarify that they have separate residences. Policeman is about to say he won't comment on their relationship when the mother interrupts to say 'they have never lived together'.

journalist - Why didn’t fiancee report her missing?

LE - ‘That’s a question we’ll have to ask [FIANCEE]’

They exchanged the daughter on Thanksgiving Day. It is still unclear who has primary custody.

The mother lives in Idaho.

No indication of danger to community.

No police records of DV.

Journalist asks to clarify fact that KB 'went missing' and THEN requested time off from work – via TEXT. LE says KB didn’t say why she was requesting time off. They end the press conference, saying that LE are asking the same questions.

A journalist asks if Fiancee is a suspect. The policeman says ‘at this time he is the father of her daughter, This is a missing persons case’

Hope I have reported all that accurately. {EDITED to remove accidental name}

Last edited: Dec 10, 2018



AHA----see this from the above notes:

"the daughter was exchanged at Safeway on nov 22nd, child is now with father"

I think this^^^ was PF's original version of the story

The police chief doesn't say the daughter was exchanged at Safeway. He talks about the exchange at the 2:30 mark and again at about 7:45.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2273639882654648

 

[Irmese]

She did tell her mom she might be going out to eat, so it did sound as if there were possible plans.
And... she might not be as traditional about Thanksgiving as others are, especially being out of state from her family. The baby doesn't know what Thanksgiving is, anyways.
New thought for me, it appears she wasn't planning to go to the ranch for a meal so nothing planned there either?

I wonder if some of PF's siblings had TG dinner and SF was out of the house that day. Or did she have kids and grandkids at the ranchette that day?
Edited for spelling.

 

[allboys]

Yup. No automated fingerprint system either.

It was shocking to me that it took them as long as it did to identify him in Florida.

They had him, but didn’t know who he was.

That sure as hell couldn't happen today.

There was so much in that Bundy documentary (regarding LE) that I could not believe. No cuffs? LE not knowing who he was in Florida. The lack of sharing of info. between regions etc. THANK GOODNESS LE has come such a long way in terms of technology, the sharing of intelligence, forensics etc.

I hate to think how many PFs back in that time period, got away with murder.

 

[skyedaze]

I agree with everything you’ve said, and I think many of us who find this case frustrating are furious that Kelsey could have been saved if KK had told LE of the plot. I know for me personally, no punishment she receives will be sufficient. It infuriates me that she didn’t turn PF in last fall. I understand the legal aspect regarding her charges, but it doesn't take away my anger. JMHO ...

totally agree here on all points. For all of those reasons..to me just despicable.

 

[ajaylee]

I wonder if some of PF's siblings had TG dinner and SF was out of the house that day. Or did she have kids and grandkids at the ranchette that day?
Edited for spelling.

I wonder if SF met KK while KK was in Colorado. Did KK go to the ranchette? Was SF there?

 

[Mom24]

I don't think a civil lawsuit would do anything to risk her nursing license, but I;m not sure. The code states "crimes of moral turpitude". IIRC. But we have some very knowledgeable nurses on here, I think @Mom24 is one who can maybe answer that?

But one thing a civil lawsuit can accomplish is making her actions more well known and also, if there's a judgment and she actually retains or gets back her nursing license, the family can garnish her wages.

When a the board meets for situations like this and there is criminal behavior to consider, the "moral turpitude" clause is an add-on. It's the nail in the coffin really, and more or less closes the door. The felony is enough to suspend a license, but when the crime is considered really vile, then the board will add the charge of moral turpitude. So in the sense that a felony charge would suspend her license until her time is served (and possibly her license would be revoked) a civil trial on the issue would add to the board's necessity to levy the moral turpitude charge. A license revoked on that additional basis is really impossible to work around. I've never seen a license revoked on that additional basis of moral turpitude ever be reinstated.

 

[MassGuy]

When a the board meets for situations like this and there is criminal behavior to consider, the "moral turpitude" clause is an add-on. It's the nail in the coffin really, and more or less closes the door. The felony is enough to suspend a license, but when the crime is considered really vile, then the board will add the charge of moral turpitude. So in the sense that a felony charge would suspend her license until her time is served (and possibly her license would be revoked) a civil trial on the issue would add to the board's necessity to levy the moral turpitude charge. A license revoked on that additional basis is really impossible to work around. I've never seen a license revoked on that additional basis of moral turpitude ever be reinstated.

Good.

Assuming the absolute minimum amount of involvement here, she has no business being around anyone in a medical capacity.

If she isn’t going to serve time, atleast she will pay a price in other areas.