CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #5

[PommyMommy]

Does anyone have a link to a recording of the press conference?

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=360111201220071

 

[alucardsdream]

It should make no difference whatsoever if he left his phone at home or turned off. The truck should have a GPS built in that can tell them where the truck went. Very likely why they hauled it in....for that reason as well as any evidence they can gather from within, on or underneath the truck itself.

It always amazes me when investigators are able to tell where a vehicle has traveled by looking at dirt and plants stuck to it. With the addition of GPS technology, it's hard to hide anything.

 

[bestill]

Way too much time - I feel like LE didn't take it seriously enough until it got national attention

I think they took it seriously but something they were told lead them to believe her going missing wasn't suspicious, I think it was what was in the text to him and her employer. His lack of cooperation made LE's job much harder to determine what really was going on. IMO

 

[Jethro4WS]

Please forgive my ignorance (I’m from Canada eh!), but what is the purpose of a “sealed warrant” and is this the usual process, or is this something special/unusual?

TIA

If they don't seal then the media or the general public can request that document along with supporting affidavits and, in turn, learn some of what law enforcement knows. Right now, the only ones who know what facts established the basis for that warrant are the law enforcement person(s) that prepared the warrant, the investigators, the DA, Patrick, and Patrick's attorney.

 

[MsBetsy]

It should make no difference whatsoever if he left his phone at home or turned off. The truck should have a GPS built in that can tell them where the truck went. Very likely why they hauled it in....for that reason as well as any evidence they can gather from within, on or underneath the truck itself.

Did he ever drive another vehicle?

 

[Jethro4WS]

I wonder if the search warrant included a swab of K. for a DNA test.

Patrick had previously voluntarily allowed a DNA swab and voluntarily turned over his phone. That was what the Police Chief said in the previous press conference.

ETA: Oops sorry, I misread your post. There would be no way for Police to use a search warrant for a DNA test on the child. That would be an entirely different matter and it would require an order from a court in a contested (potentially) proceeding. In Colorado, if the parents are unmarried and a father of the child is listed on the birth certificate there is also an Affidavit of Paternity. As such, anyone going into court is asking the court to potentially change an established fact of paternity and whoever is challenging that would have to provide evidence that it is likely that the named father is not, in fact, the father. However, if it is not the alleged father that is raising the issue of paternity there usually has to be someone else who claims to be the father named and prepared to test. Otherwise, it probably would be contrary to the public interest (the way it is usually phrased in the court cases) to create a situation where you have an orphan. In many states - I would have to check Colorado - there are time limits for a father (or anyone else) to challenge the paternity of a child. The burden to overcome in this case would be that if his name is on the birth certificate that would mean that both Patrick and Kelsey signed the Affidavit of Paternity and the argument being raised in the proceeding by whoever is challenging the paternity would, by definition, be claiming Kelsey was lying when signing that document.

 

[Kapua]

We will see what the search uncovers. LE has 3 days to poke around using every tool at their disposal. I am cautiously optimistic.

 

[Kapua]

Patrick had previously voluntarily allowed a DNA swab and voluntarily turned over his phone. That was what the Police Chief said in the previous press conference.

K. is the child.

 

[Seattle1]

Seattle, will you post this in the media thread please?

So you have it handy : CO - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Media, Maps and Timelines *NO DISCUSSION*
MOO

Done...

 

[alucardsdream]

We will see what the search uncovers. LE has 3 days to poke around using every tool at their disposal. I am cautiously optimistic.

KB's family must be devastated, though. It was easier for them to assume that PF wasn't involved in the disappearance, because it meant there was a chance KB would come back. If PF was involved, there won't be a happy ending.

 

[Damselfish]

Please tell me he's not going to sit there holding the baby while LE question him. Are there provisions available for the child if this is the case?

I am prior Military. I was a Behavior Science Specialist, I worked in Psy Ops. I'm certainly not a leading expert on human behavior, but I am willing to bet that allowing PF to bring his daughter was a very calculated move. If I were interrogating PF I would definitely do these two things...
First and foremost I would ensure leverage. In this case I believe the child is LE's leverage. Mind you, (regarding your question) the child is currently in a very safe environment.
Questioning AFTER the search warrant was implemented may suggest to PF that LE has found something that may strengthen their case against him (should there be one). LE can also say (whether or not they do or they don't) that they now have a strong case against him. This may ultimately get him to talk...

 

[Lexiintoronto]

It should make no difference whatsoever if he left his phone at home or turned off. The truck should have a GPS built in that can tell them where the truck went. Very likely why they hauled it in....for that reason as well as any evidence they can gather from within, on or underneath the truck itself.

We had a case here in Canada (Dellen Millard) where he killed the victim during a test drive of the victim’s truck. After killing the victim and before he set out to hide/dismantle the vehicle and dispose of the victim’s remains, he disabled the truck’s GPS.

ETA: grammar

 

[?mysterian?]

Yes, I'm thinking there may have been problems concerning custody of the child, or at least arguments as to who would get her when. That can be very emotional, especially when the child is young.
It seems Kelsey had planned on going out to dinner but somehow the child ended up going with her dad and spending Thanksgiving with his family. I wonder where Kelsey was by that time?

The part about going out to dinner is bugging me and I know it was discussed in earlier threads, but honestly, how many restaurants would be open on Thanksgiving night? Unless they were going to someone's house, and then was she there if that was the case? Just another loose thread in this mess of a case. I truly hope LE has way more evidence than they appear to.

 

[Bluepopsicle]

A sealed warrant is very normal during an ongoing investigation ! You can’t let the public know everything or you’d never have a real case l

If they don't seal then the media or the general public can request that document along with supporting affidavits and, in turn, learn some of what law enforcement knows. Right now, the only ones who know what facts established the basis for that warrant are the law enforcement person(s) that prepared the warrant, the investigators, the DA, Patrick, and Patrick's attorney.

Makes complete sense, I guess I hadn’t paid enough attention before, and hadn’t heard it worded that way that I recall.

Thank you both very much!

 

[Inspector Gidget]

 

[AmatuerDetective]

Can someone answer a question please. Is this the first we heard that PF has yet to be questioned directly by the police????

Yet: He was the last person to see her.
He knew she was missing for 3 days and never called her mother.
Somebody sent him a text from her phone 3 days after she went missing. i.e. a convenient alibi for why he didnt find it strange she never returned to pick up her child.

Yet this is the first we've heard this person was not cooperating? She's been missing for 23 days. The FBI is involved. It's a national story!!! What benefit did they get from sitting on this information? or am I wrong. We knew he was refusing to sit down with the police. Or worse, the police were fine with him answering questions through his lawyer and didnt think it the publics business.

 

[zea mays]

At this point, I think the breakup rumor + a custody discussion (whether that related to moving out of the area, or adding daycare, or anything, really) likely caused PF to feel out of control and he did something to have some perceived control in the situation. MOO.

Ugh.

I agree that the Watts case and it's quick outcomes really did spoil us.

 

[moonlessnight]

totally agree - even the statement by the atty highlighted PF's role as father and his physical possession of the child. This is what it is all about. Power and control, again and again. Men believe they have the right to do whatever they want to women and children. They will not let a woman leave and potentially block their access to the child (or make them pay child support). That child needs to be removed and placed with a grandparent. Why the legal system does not recognize this and act to protect the child with these red flags is beyond me.

It's possible she found out about another woman and a heated conversation happened where KB threatened to take the baby back to her hometown, then the argument escalated from there.

eta: he sure is hanging onto that baby and not letting anyone else near her. I suspect the baby is what this is all about.

 

[scdiv]

So this is such a strange case where the partner doesn't even pretend to be caring or loving or show concern for their missing partner's well being. It makes him look extremely suspicious. And yet, if he was responsible, protects him from the web of lies he inevitably would weave by pretending to be the concerned partner.

How maddening and frustrating that he has essentially just refused to answer questions. Super great cooperating. And keeps baby from grandma. What a guy.

 

[bestill]

Interesting tweet:
Sam Kraemer on Twitter

I mean.. my gut says it has to be something like this. What else would make it "complex"?

I feel so very sorry for Kelsey's family. Because of his family their hands are pretty much tied...

And his actions and lack of cooperation!