CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #6

[MassGuy]

Can any school friend of PF come upfront and tell what a good guy he was at school, or how he played football?

I can imagine that financial situation often prompts adult children live with the parents. But surely PF had a life before KB? Had relationships, maybe was even married? He is not an alien who fell from the sky, he is a local.

This story practically starts and ends with KB walking into the grocery store.

He’s a ghost, she’s a ghost, everyone’s a ghost.

We know nothing about either of them.

Normally we have a coherent picture of the (apparent) victim, anecdotal things that paint a portrait of her and her life.

Not so here.

It’s both strange and frustrating.

I can understand his friends keeping quiet, but I don’t understand why there’s so little said about her.

Yes there are things on social media, and her mom is doing everything in her power to find her, but where are her friends and coworkers?

Where are her neighbors?

I’m beginning to understand how her disappearance was able to go unreported for that length of time.

 

[tmar]

KINDA OT - I am brand spanking new on here but been following for a few days. Does anyone know any details about PF lawyer/law firm. Are they even equipped to handle a case that is the National spotlight? I am asking because I find it's curious as to why this lawyer wouldn't escort his client into the PO and give a thorough interview? I am not a lawyer but I am fascinated by defense attorneys - I am in no way saying PF will be a defendant.... just asking.

Welcome Queasy Gumshoe with your first post.
Previously on the thread, it was stated PF's Lawyer was expensive.
A poster here, also a Lawyer stated if he was PF's Defense Attorney, he would do, as PF's Lawyer has done.
MOO.

 

[Charlot123]

He lived with his mother, I don't think there were other family living in that house. Just he and his mother. She owned the mini where he could play a cowboy.

I know some families where 40+ old children live with their parents. It is not a symptom of something abnormal, rather, the kids chose a profession (liberal arts) that does not allow them to be financially independent. So I would not blame anyone for living with the parents, too often the reason is purely financial. The parents grew up in the times when a single provider could support a family of six. Not that they are happy now to support adult kids, but the choice is slim.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

I don’t want to dispute his parenting but based on his behavior and some of the recent visitors to our forum, I think there’s a desire to portray him as the parent who does the “work” caring for their daughter while implying KB does not, or that it would be easy for her to take off without her child. Maybe I’m just being sensitive, but it’s how I see it. I don’t like it as it feels a bit like a soft way to victim bash. Jmo.

CW dejavu.

 

[Charlot123]

He’s a ghost, she’s a ghost, everyone’s a ghost.

We know nothing about either of them.

Normally we have a coherent picture of the (apparent) victim, anecdotal things that paint a portrait of her and her life.

Not so here.

It’s both strange and frustrating.

I can understand his friends keeping quiet, but I don’t understand why there’s so little said about her.

Yes there are things on social media, and her mom is doing everything in her power to find her, but where are her friends and coworkers?

Where are her neighbors?

I’m beginning to understand how her disappearance was able to go unreported for that length of time.

Exactly! Remember Shanann - there were stories about her being a friendly girl at school; pictures of her group. Then there was a story about her first marriage - it ended up in a divorce, but everything was amicable. Then there was a story of her meeting Chris. And at any stage, there were people ready to tell how she was at that time. Why not here? She went to school - no school friends to tell about her? Same in college.

I wonder if the family is still hoping that she is alive and does not want to violate the privacy. Yet at the same time, this case is now treated as suspicious. Very strange.

 

[MassGuy]

Exactly! Remember Shanann - there were stories about her being a friendly girl at school; pictures of her group. Then there was a story about her first marriage - it ended up in a divorce, but everything was amicable. Then there was a story of her meeting Chris. And at any stage, there were people ready to tell how she was at that time. Why not here? She went to school - no school friends to tell about her? Same in college.

I wonder if the family is still hoping that she is alive and does not want to violate the privacy. Yet at the same time, this case is now treated as suspicious. Very strange.

The thing is, I totally get the family keeping things quiet, it’s unusual but I understand that these may be unusual circumstances (from the norm).

But that doesn’t go for everyone else. Surely she has some local connections that she’s made since she moved there.

You’d expect to hear something from someone.

 

[jillianelaine]

He’s a ghost, she’s a ghost, everyone’s a ghost.

We know nothing about either of them.

Normally we have a coherent picture of the (apparent) victim, anecdotal things that paint a portrait of her and her life.

Not so here.

It’s both strange and frustrating.

I can understand his friends keeping quiet, but I don’t understand why there’s so little said about her.

Yes there are things on social media, and her mom is doing everything in her power to find her, but where are her friends and coworkers?

Where are her neighbors?

I’m beginning to understand how her disappearance was able to go unreported for that length of time.

Yes, little is known about them. Yet in knowing so little, we may know more than we realize. Two people emotionally detached from the rest of the world, drawn together by their need to need no one. I don't believe that their friends and neighbors are dodging the press--I don't think either of them developed nor maintained friendships the way most people do. I think her career path "flying" and her choice to move to a place she knew no one are both signs of this. I think his choice not to fly the coop supports this as well. They share the physical appearance of people who are popular from the get go. The pretty people. The people with lots of friends. But I highly doubt this is the case. I don't like to think about what detached people are capable of.

 

[gngr~snap]

How close are they to Colorado Springs?
I'd be shaking in my boots if I had killed anyone and was in the same state as
Joe Kenda!
I see that they aren't too far.
Probably not the same jurisdiction and I'm sure Kenda is retired now, but still.
All of Kenda's quotes have been running through my mind in this case!
Well, well, well...
Moo

 

[gngr~snap]

I don't think mummy will be forthcoming with any info. You do have to ask why a grown man who is a parent is still living with his mummy.

Ding, ding, ding! It does appear she trusted him to care for her though!
Maybe that was about to change.
Moo

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, little is known about them. Yet in knowing so little, we may know more than we realize. Two people emotionally detached from the rest of the world, drawn together by their need to need no one. I don't believe that their friends and neighbors are dodging the press--I don't think either of them developed nor maintained friendships the way most people do. I think her career path "flying" and her choice to move to a place she knew no one are both signs of this. I think his choice not to fly the coop supports this as well. They share the physical appearance of people who are popular from the get go. The pretty people. The people with lots of friends. But I highly doubt this is the case. I don't like to think about what detached people are capable of.

That’s definitely the impression I have.

Perhaps they are both introverts, or perhaps she is and his friends are just keeping quiet.

There’s just know way of knowing right now.

 

[katydid23]

The thing is, I totally get the family keeping things quiet, it’s unusual but I understand that these may be unusual circumstances (from the norm).

But that doesn’t go for everyone else. Surely she has some local connections that she’s made since she moved there.

You’d expect to hear something from someone.

I think her co-workers are quiet because many of them are active military. I am sure they have been told to stay silent. My son works on a Navy base, and he is a civilian, but he is still sworn to silence about the goings on there. To maintain his top security clearance he has to keep his mouth totally shut.

 

[MassGuy]

I think her co-workers are quiet because many of them are active military. I am sure they have been told to stay silent. My son works on a Navy base, and he is a civilian, but he is still sworn to silence about the goings on there. To maintain his top security clearance he has to keep his mouth totally shut.

She was doing flight training, and that company does have contracts with the military.

But nothing they were doing is top secret, or would require any security clearance, as far as I know anyways.

I’d still expect her coworkers to speak out, or friends or neighbors.

It’s like she lived in a bubble.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

He reminds me of the guy who most likely killed his wife at sea and staged a boat accident to cover it up. He barred his baby from being around the maternal family too.

^^ Exactly this! IMO too. Even more of the I**bella Hell***n/Lew*s Ben***t story seems to be similar to the Kelsey Berreth story.
By the way, I think the father is carrying the thin baby around as carelessly as if it were a newborn or injured little animal. MOO

 

[TheVic]

It’s like she lived in a bubble.

I would imagine that if she had such an unusual romantic relationship with PF, (child together, never lived together, engaged but purchased a house without him etc.) her relationship with friends, co-workers and neighbors will be equally distant?

(edited for typo)

 

[jillianelaine]

I would imagine that if she had such an unusual romantic relationship with PF, (child together, never lived together, engaged but purchased a house without him etc.) her relationship with friends, co-workers and neighbors will be equally distant?

(edited for typo)

I agree with this. Even if there were friends who were asked not to share certain details, wouldn't they still appear in social media doing things like staging fundraisers to help her family,... A woman missing in Michigan had colleagues who were briefed to abstain from sharing details about the case on social media but that didn't stop them from posting photos and encouraging words. I also question the legitimacy of the engagement. What were they waiting for?

 

[chinablue1]

What percentage of breakups end on a good note. I think usually most breakups end on a bad note .I rarely see a happy mutual split where both parties are happy.I just can't think this ended on a good note, but it might be in the small percentile that did. My point is during a breakup who would leave their child with someone that you just broke up with.

 

[MassGuy]

What percentage of breakups end on a good note. I think usually most breakups end on a bad note .I rarely see a happy mutual split where both parties are happy.I just can't think this ended on a good note, but it might be in the small percentile that did. My point is during a breakup who would leave their child with someone that you just broke up with.

Exactly. If a breakup did in fact occur here, it is incredibly unlikely that she would just give her child to the man she just broke up with, and take off.

If anything, she’d be reluctant to leave her kid with him.

 

[katydid23]

What percentage of breakups end on a good note. I think usually most breakups end on a bad note .I rarely see a happy mutual split where both parties are happy.I just can't think this ended on a good note, but it might be in the small percentile that did. My point is during a breakup who would leave their child with someone that you just broke up with.

Here is one possible scenario, just thinking outloud here...

What if they spoke that morning, and mutually agreed to follow through with the break up they had already discussed the night before...

And maybe they made a simple mutual plan----KB agreed that the baby could attend a family Thanksgiving afternoon with PF and his family---but then he would drop her back off at KB's home late afternoon ...?

And they did it that way, but something bad happened when he went to see her late afternoon....

 

[tmar]

What percentage of breakups end on a good note. I think usually most breakups end on a bad note .I rarely see a happy mutual split where both parties are happy.I just can't think this ended on a good note, but it might be in the small percentile that did. My point is during a breakup who would leave their child with someone that you just broke up with.

I agree with your last statement: "who would leave their child with someone that you just broke up with".
It just doesn't make sense.
I think PF has made a mistake, with this scenario, and am waiting for his ARREST.
Hope it comes soon.
MOO.

 

[Ronso]

You know what surprises me? We don't have any biography of KB. Except for her growing up in Moses Lake and getting a diploma in a community college in Big Bend. But what happened after that, where she lived, what jobs she had, when she moved to CO? I understand she moved in the context of relationship, but even this is unclear.

I understand that her parents may even be unaware of the details of her life in CO, but can one get a normal, regular life story before CO? I think it might be very helpful.

BBM

Big Bend Community College is located in Moses Lake.