CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #7

[stillta]

Not sure how to post links here but wanted to share that KMVT11 out of Twin Falls, ID has been updating on the case:
The Latest: Police say woman's long absence is 'suspicious'

 

[BRRI]

the down payment was low ($185k house, $182 k loan), so the interest rate would be higher based on that.

an FHA loan would be a typical choice for someone not putting down 20%...the rates are pretty low but then you have PMI.

I was just mentioning the rate/her parents being the lender because I was wondering if she had any financial issues that would disqualify her from normal lending. I'd think not, it's more beneficial for both her parents and herself to handle the mortgage between themselves, if they are able, but just a thought

 

[haven71]

I’m curious, at least a couple posters feel that if PF was involved in her death that it was most likely due to an accident...is there anything specific that leads you to think that way? What kind of accident?

Also, someone (I don’t want to call anyone out specifically, and besides I’m too lazy to find the post) implied that perhaps it was an accident due to domestic violence that got out of hand. To me, that would be considered murder. For example, I wouldn’t say he hit her too hard or too many times, I’d say he beat her to death. I don’t know how the law classifies these things, but being purposely violent to someone resulting in death should result in a murder charge IMO.

So what types of accidents are you guys possibly referring to, and has there been any evidence I may have missed that caused you to believe this over intentional harm? Really the only thing that comes to mind is if he accidentally hit her with the car or backed over her. And in that case I would think that PF would call 911 like a normal person. An accident is an accident...it’s hard to believe that a guy with a brother in LE would think it would be smart to try to cover up a true accident.

JMO.

 

[Marli61]

Interesting. Scroll forward to 5:36:

If you are referring to what he calls the dog, that is a common term used by breeders for the female.

 

[MyBelle]

I’m really getting a feel that this relationship might have ended long before Thanksgiving and maybe the only interaction they were having was sharing who watches the baby. If that’s the case a whole lot of this might make more sense.

iirc, KB supposedly broke up with PF on Thanksgiving. The source of this information had to be PF when he initially spoke to LE and they passed it on to KB's family.

We now know that KB told her mother on the phone that she and PF and the baby were going out to dinner later that day.

If KB broke off the relationship later that day, it likely triggered an explosive confrontation that has resulted in KB's disappearance.

JMO

 

[kay74]

Her aunt said she broke up with him the day before thanksgiving. That would be dangerous for her, a big red flag. He doesn't report her missing. Another red flag. As far as a ping in Idaho, maybe he drove her body there. How do you interrogate a guy who has lawyered up? LE will need lots of evidence.

 

[MesquiteO21]

Or perhaps they’re giving out little info with the hope that only the person who did something to Kelsey would expose info only LE knows?

definitely a valid point. especially if someone else was in that safeway parking lot...

 

[Mom24]

Yes, this is baffling me. What is on it that they don't want others to see?

I'm wondering if it's because as she was leaving she was back to the camera so it didn't give as much of a picture of her face.

 

[Cardinal47]

From thread 6 earlier today at 11:07:


"I've been thinking about all of this and I'm not so sure he did anything to her. Why would he? They seemed to be co parenting with both able to see baby girl whenever they wanted. She had a good job and probably made good money. I wonder if there was a life insurance policy?
Health insurance is so expensive so maybe when and if they did marry hers would cover him..a family plan.
I think he had a lot to lose. He was living a good life with his spread, his mother and baby girl.
Now the attorney takes it all. sigh.

Cardinal47, Today at 11:07 AMReport
#991Like"

The thread closed before I could reply. If he truly did not harm her, his behavior is concerning, IMO. If he truly did not harm her, the choices he has made have caused LE to take out a search warrant on the property he lives on. He chose to hire a criminal defense attorney.

Yes I agree but his back has really been up against the wall. What if hesinnocent!

Well, I am going on a trip in 2 weeks. I will be taking a suitcase, lots of clothes, toiletries, makeup, and vitamins, and my car will be valet parked at a hotel close to the airport. There will not be any freshly made food left out in my house. That's how I roll. I suspect most people planning to be away for a while prepare similarly. IMHO.

Maybe she wasn't going on a trip right then. What if somebody new asked her out for coffee and he wasn't what she expected. She wouldn't pack a bag for that.

I just think we're getting way ahead of ourselves. Maybe somebody other than P harmed her.

 

[Mom24]

I've worked all weekend and haven't been online much, so I missed a few things. Could someone tell me why we are discussing that Kelsey has taken off before, or is this an assumption?

It's an assumption someone made.

 

[Marli61]

I’m curious, at least a couple posters feel that if PF was involved in her death that it was most likely due to an accident...is there anything specific that leads you to think that way? What kind of accident?

Also, someone (I don’t want to call anyone out specifically, and besides I’m too lazy to find the post) implied that perhaps it was an accident due to domestic violence that got out of hand. To me, that would be considered murder. For example, I wouldn’t say he hit her too hard or too many times, I’d say he beat her to death. I don’t know how the law classifies these things, but being purposely violent to someone resulting in death should result in a murder charge IMO.

So what types of accidents are you guys possibly referring to, and has there been any evidence I may have missed that caused you to believe this over intentional harm? Really the only thing that comes to mind is if he accidentally hit her with the car or backed over her. And in that case I would think that PF would call 911 like a normal person. An accident is an accident...it’s hard to believe that a guy with a brother in LE would think it would be smart to try to cover up a true accident.

JMO.

I haven't posted on this particular topic, but to me an accident may play out as he became angry at her, shoved her, she trips, falls hits her head..boom. That verses striking her to purposefully, forcefully cause her deadly harm. Moo

 

[PommyMommy]

Her aunt said she broke up with him the day before thanksgiving. That would be dangerous for her, a big red flag. He doesn't report her missing. Another red flag. As far as a ping in Idaho, maybe he drove her body there. How do you interrogate a guy who has lawyered up? LE will need lots of evidence.

I thought her aunt said Thanksgiving or the day before. Do you remember where you read this? I read it too, I just don't remember where.
MOO

ETA: I found it.
“Our niece is missing ... She broke up with her ex on Thanksgiving, he said she dropped off the baby and was heading to Soap Lake Washington to visit.”
— Kelsey Berreth's aunt, posting on a Facebook group

Kelsey Berreth: Police Search Fiancé’s Ranch In Hunt For Missing Colorado Mom

 

[Writestuff]

What about PF? Does he have a Pinterest board?

Not that I can find. Still doing a deep dive into the usual resources....

 

[alucardsdream]

I haven't posted on this particular topic, but to me an accident may play out as he became angry at her, shoved her, she trips, falls hits her head..boom. That verses striking her to purposefully, forcefully cause her deadly harm. Moo

From what we know right now (and there are a lot of holes that still need to be filled in) he doesn't have any history of violence and police never responded to any domestic abuse calls pertaining to him or KB. I know that not having any prior violent tendencies doesn't mean someone isn't capable of planning a murder, but it makes an "accidental" scenario seem a little more plausible.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I’m curious, at least a couple posters feel that if PF was involved in her death that it was most likely due to an accident...is there anything specific that leads you to think that way? What kind of accident?

Also, someone (I don’t want to call anyone out specifically, and besides I’m too lazy to find the post) implied that perhaps it was an accident due to domestic violence that got out of hand. To me, that would be considered murder. For example, I wouldn’t say he hit her too hard or too many times, I’d say he beat her to death. I don’t know how the law classifies these things, but being purposely violent to someone resulting in death should result in a murder charge IMO.

So what types of accidents are you guys possibly referring to, and has there been any evidence I may have missed that caused you to believe this over intentional harm? Really the only thing that comes to mind is if he accidentally hit her with the car or backed over her. And in that case I would think that PF would call 911 like a normal person. An accident is an accident...it’s hard to believe that a guy with a brother in LE would think it would be smart to try to cover up a true accident.

JMO.

There are 0 domestic violence murder accidents. O.

So every killer may say I accidentally strangled her too hard during an argument.

But forget that because they lie to minimize things.

So don't let others give us a possible, plausible of a possible accident.

Because when it comes to domestic violence rage and the vulnerable person dies. Then that means that the aggressor didn't accidentally do anything in that heated moment. Jmo but I respect your speculation of others thoughts as well.

 

[Mom24]

The phone got to Idaho somehow.

Not necessarily. It could have been what they call a "false ping". I posted earlier about a case in CA where someone was on trial and the evidence they were using to place him at the crime scene was that his phone pinged in the area. The crime occurred in Palo Alto, and he made a phone call that pinged in Palo Alto at the time of the crime. However, 9 mins later he made another phone call and his phone pinged in Maui, some 3000miles away. His defense atty used that false ping to show reasonable doubt as to his location in Palo Alto during the crime. (see state of ca v bulos zumot)

 

[Meluffy]

If she left on her own not under duress, wouldn't there be some electronic trail in some form? Would she really contact NO living person for a week, or use CC's or have any online activity?

If she left to hide or cause her own demise, wouldn't PF have been more concerned about her behavior or lack of contact?

This story about a 1 week trip is so thin, without appropriate response from PF or other actions or info supporting it by KB. It's a very lame attempt at a cover up. PF is clearly not too bright and extremely arrogant/entitled. But clearly KB's mother and boss believed him, too, at least at first.

And the fact that its been well over a week since KB "went on her 1 week trip" why hasnt she came home yet to her daughter her job her home?? Hmm

 

[EmilyVan]

I would love to talk to/hear from any of her girlfriends/cohorts from 'back home'. I moved away when I was 19 and 21 years later continue to keep in touch with my besties from high school. One would think those people would be the ones she confided in on a regular basis.
JMO

 

[Curious Guy]

I've worked all weekend and haven't been online much, so I missed a few things. Could someone tell me why we are discussing that Kelsey has taken off before, or is this an assumption?

It's being thrown out there by a few posters here to exonerate PF. No evidence or indication that it has ever happened.

 

[Madeleine74]

She walked in with the baby in a car seat.
She is how old?
After my kids were able to sit up, there is no way I would have taken the car seat in as well.
Car seat is required by law for a child to be transported in.
We have no video of her leaving the store.
With or without the baby.
I find that very odd!
For those of you who are co-parenting an infant/toddler, how does that work with the car seat.
Do each of you have your own and just hand the child to it's other parent, or do you both have a base in your vehicle and each of you have a "base" to snap it into?
There is also the 3rd option, one parent has the seat and base and the other parent uses the seat with a seat belt only.

Two things that are bugging me.
A.- why no video of her leaving the store and/or getting into her car with the child.
B.- why is still being called the finacé if there is ANY proof that there was no date set, dress bought or any other plans being made.

A piece of the puzzle is missing here. Why?
What are we not being told/shown and why???

I'm also curious, where is the car seat we saw at the store? Could it have evidence on it?
Moo

We are members of the public and unless someone has information about KB or has seen her or knows something, there is nothing that LE needs from the public. We won't be told much; this is normal.

The people who are investigating the case (that would be the professionals CO LE with assistance from the FBI) are the folks who have all the pieces that have been found so far.

Everyone else is not part of the investigation and are not entitled to details of the investigation including: photos, video, answers to questions posed, etc etc.