CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018

[Inthedetails]

I would imagine his family would have seen the child on Thanksgiving. <modsnip - sleuthing family> It isn't as if this is some loner guy without family.

Well, I'd like to know if they did indeed see the baby over that weekend. Or, did he go out of town over the weekend?

jmo

 

[MassGuy]

Right...sounds like fiance went to her place to pick up baby. So she was home at that time, obviously. Were the cinnamon rolls baked by then? Is the whole batch there, or did anyone eat any? Or were there no rolls when he picked up the baby and she made them after he left? If that is the case, she was home for awhile - long enough to at least bake them. Convenience rolls from a tube would take less time than rolls from scratch.

(I want the rolls to play a role, lol!)

Why in the world would she leave her place with her purse and not her car? The only explanation that makes any sense is that someone came to pick her up and she left home willingly, thinking she would return. Or, someone took her and the purse against her will.

jmo

If this was in fact foul play, then it appears that someone wanted to make it appear that she left on her own free will.

It explains her purse being missing.

It also explains the text message to her employer, and the cell phone ping in Idaho.

 

[Jennifer17]

I would imagine his family would have seen the child on Thanksgiving. <modsnip - sleuthing family>. It isn't as if this is some loner guy without family.

Would it be unusual if she had no plans for spending Thanksgiving with some people or a person?

 

[Razz]

Maybe KB was shopping at Safeway for cinnamon roll ingredients. On her way home, she stops at her fiance's and drops off the baby and then goes home and bakes.

Maybe someone arrived at her place later on, invited her out, so she took her purse and got in the car, leaving the rolls behind knowing she'd be coming back.

<modsnip - n0t victim friendly>

 

[MassGuy]

Would it be unusual if she had no plans for spending Thanksgiving with some people or a person?

It would. If she is like most people, she would have spent it with friends or family.

The fact that no one reported her missing early on, means that she didn’t have plans, or if she did, her plans involved her assailant.

Assuming foul play of course.

 

[LVatty10]

Missing Woodland Park mother requested time off work

[...]

Berreth's fiancé, [PF], said he hadn't heard from her since Nov. 25, but last saw her when he took their daughter. Their daughter is still with [PF], police said.

De Young said [PF] was invited to the news conference but didn't attend. He's being cooperative with the investigation and wasn't named as a suspect, with De Young only saying "[PF] is the father of their child."

The chief added that police hadn't searched [PF] house -- the two didn't live together -- and said it was "something to look into." He also confirmed that Berreth's phone was last pinged on Nov. 25 in Idaho.

De Young said that he didn't have any record of a domestic violence history between the two and concluded by saying there's no threat to the public.

[...]

BBM
Didn’t have a history of domestic violence BETWEEN THE TWO. Very careful wording.
<modsnip- not victim friendly>

 

[Colorado303]

Another missing mother in Colorado. How sad.

Yes. Unfortunately this time sending an alarm was as slow as molasses. Don’t think it even hit the local Denver news until last night. LOTS of time for someone to cover their tracks. The timeline looks woefully bare. One can only hope LE has been on the ball this whole time despite appearances.

 

[The Night Watchman]

I would like to know the pinged location of the fiancés phone when it received "Kelsey's" text on the 25th, the day her phone pinged in Idaho.

Quoting myself here (who does that!?)

Maybe not so simple. If a text is sent from Kelsey's phone in Idaho, to a phone "B" that is turned off, there is no evidence where phone "B" is is located, until it is turned back on. So I would also like to know when the fiancé received the text- immediately or half a day later. Law enforcement would know this.

Secondly, phone "B" could be left powered on at home and receive text, is there a record of when a text was read? I don't know. Half a day later?

 

[CrimeAddict]

It would. If she is like most people, she would have spent it with friends or family.

The fact that no one reported her missing early on, means that she didn’t have plans, or if she did, her plans involved her assailant.

Assuming foul play of course.

Let’s hope they are scanning her computer for a possible online date for thankgiving!

 

[Insomnia Momma]

It would. If she is like most people, she would have spent it with friends or family.

The fact that no one reported her missing early on, means that she didn’t have plans, or if she did, her plans involved her assailant.

Assuming foul play of course.

Wasn’t it mentioned in the beginning that she did have plans with a friend but never showed up? I’m following about 4 cases so I could be mistaken. Headed back to check!

 

[MassGuy]

Let’s hope they are scanning her computer for a possible online date for thankgiving!

They have local, state, and federal entities involved in the investigation, so I’m sure they are poring over everything.

I don’t think this is that type of crime though. I think this was more personal.

 

[Insomnia Momma]

They have local, state, and federal entities involved in the investigation, so I’m sure they are poring over everything.

I don’t think this is that type of crime though. I think this was more personal.

We just got a huge dose of how the CBI operates. I have complete faith that they’re crossing all T’s and dotting all I’s!

 

[MassGuy]

We just got a huge dose of how the CBI operates. I have complete faith that they’re crossing all T’s and dotting all I’s!

We sure did. They were brilliant in the Watts case, and I’d expect nothing different here.

 

[Jethro4WS]

If this was in fact foul play, then it appears that someone wanted to make it appear that she left on her own free will.

It explains her purse being missing.

It also explains the text message to her employer, and the cell phone ping in Idaho.

But don't you think it would be highly elaborate planning to make a 28 hour minimum round trip as part of the ruse?

 

[Jennifer17]

They have local, state, and federal entities involved in the investigation, so I’m sure they are poring over everything.

I don’t think this is that type of crime though. I think this was more personal.

The statement that there is no threat to the public kind of proves that.

 

[LVatty10]

It's confusing that she was "last seen" on the video at the store, yet the fiance picked up the baby later that afternoon. Wouldn't the baby-exchange time be the "last seen" time?

We're missing a big chunk of info. Why should basic info be so confusing?

jmo

Not if they are discounting the account given by the fiancée. In that case, they will sometimes state “last seen” as the last time they can confirm the individual was alive.

 

[MassGuy]

But don't you think it would be highly elaborate planning to make a 28 hour minimum round trip as part of the ruse?

Yeah it would. You’d have to be able to conceal the trip and you being unreachable during that time period.

It would likely involve a third party in order to pull it off. Perhaps a friend or close relative.

It does complicate things, but at the same time indicates one of two things:

This isn’t foul play, and she left on her own accord.

The assailant is close to her (in a foul play scenario) as no other person would go to that effort to build a false trail.

 

[PiertotumLocomotor]

Hi all,

<modsnip - not victim friendly>

Looking forward to intelligent, compassionate discussion that I enjoyed on the Watts thread, which is what brought me to Websleuths.

Most of all, praying for Kelsey's safe return.

 

[Jethro4WS]

It would. If she is like most people, she would have spent it with friends or family.

The fact that no one reported her missing early on, means that she didn’t have plans, or if she did, her plans involved her assailant.

Assuming foul play of course.

Her religious sect isn't big on celebrating holidays and they are vegetarians. So, don't know how that plays with Thanksgiving.

 

[MassGuy]

The statement that there is no threat to the public kind of proves that.

I’m going to have to check the wording on that.

We hear all the time “we have no information that would lead us to believe that there is a threat to the general public.”

When that is said, it doesn’t necessarily mean that this is an isolated incident, just that they have no specific information that leads them to believe that there is a continued threat.

If this was a more firm statement, then I think you are likely correct.