CO - Possible Serial Shooter Has Colorado Drivers on Edge #3

[margarita25]

There is a middle aged woman in my town that probably thinks I am slightly :nuts:----

I was in the waiting room of the Ford dealership while my car was serviced. Lady sitting next to me was on the phone, talking about her side window shattering on the 101 fwy in LA.

I could not help myself. I questioned her about it---was anyone driving right next to her---any fragments in the car, like rocks or anything that went through? She had no idea why I cared. LOL

:biggrin:

 

[Forager]

Driver talks about surviving after someone started shooting at him on I-225
http://kdvr.com/2015/10/16/driver-t...ter-someone-started-shooting-at-him-on-i-225/

"AURORA, Colo. -- Police call it another random shooting on I-225. Police aren't saying much about what happened, other than this is the third random shooting on the busy highway across Aurora in the past few months.

It's important that drivers are aware about what's happening. "Yeah, bullets are hitting the car and you're trying to stay alive," the victim in Friday morning's shooting told FOX31 Denver's Justin Joseph."

Snip

"It's the third similar incident along I-225 in the past two months.

Aurora Police called it random.

Regis University criminal professor Don Lindley had a different word for it: "Copycat."

Wow, that is some sloppy journalism. I had to check the link to be sure that it was quoted properly. I'm surprised you didn't notice that Don Lindley was called a "criminal professor". Say what? The entire article was so short that you probably quoted half of it in your post. For shame, Fox31. Not sure that it was even worth sharing here, considering what a manure dump of an article it was.

I liked the Fox31 piece by Justin Joseph. It didn't rehash all of detail of the incident, but we've already seen that. I thought it advanced the story by pointing out that this is the latest in a series of clearly deliberate highway attacks. All we'd been hearing before was pretty much "Random. Not related. Nothing to see here, folks. Keep moving."

The reporter cited three incidents. I count 14 apparent or obvious attack against motorists in Denver and just south of it this year. Here they are in chronological order, with source references:

Incident #1) Windshield shattered 3/29/15 around noon, on I-25 (aka Hwy. 87) southbound just above 88 in Centennial. "It was hit at the very bottom of the windshield on the far right side as we were traveling in the center lane. Traffic was light." The incident wasn't reported to the police. Source: WS registered user DeDee as reported on 10/14/15. No MSM source.

Incidents #2,3 and 4) Passenger side windows of three vehicles shattered on a one mile stretch of E. Hampden Ave on Wed. 6/17/15 at 12:40 a.m., 2:03 a.m. and 2:50 a.m. Each driver said there were no other cars on the road. Source: TheDenverChannel.com, http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...report-passenger-windows-shattering-in-aurora

Incident #5) Man, 20, hit in leg, while cycling, by a pellet shot from a "passing" grey car at about 3:00 PM 7/2/15. Saw the car pull up next to him, point a muzzle out of the window and shoot. Two people were in the attacker's vehicle. Article: Motorist shoots Aurora bicyclist with pellet gun, Robert Garrison, KUSA 6:52 p.m. MDT July 2, 2015 http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/07/02/aurora-bicyclist-shot-with-pellet-gun/29648653/

Incidents #6,7,8,9) "Lt. Anthony Joiner II of the Morrison PD said that there have been four window shattering incidents in the last month and a half [as of 8/31/15]." We only have a date and locations for one: 8/31/15, on C-470, near Morrison. Lance Hernandez, http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...e-another-rash-of-window-shatterings-on-c-470

Incident #10) Side window shattered around 11:00 7/22/15 on I-25 (aka highway 87) "just south of Denver". Bullet fragments found in back seat. Glass scratches to driver. Anonymous source. http://www.

Incident #11) A driver's window was "confirmed shot out" on I-225, northbound, early near S. Yosemite St. "sometime before 3:45" on Thurs. (9/10/15) morning. Anicia Padillia, 7 News Denver (ABC) the DenverNewsChannel.com, http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...dow-on-i-225-early-thursday-morning-9-10-2015. "... police confirmed they found evidence that several rounds were fired at the vehicle. Blair Schiff, KUSA, http://www.9news.com/story/news/traffic/2015/09/10/i-225-shattered-window/71992950/

Incident #12) Window shattering early morning Sat. 9/26/15 on I-25 near Colfax Ave. in central Denver. 7News (the Denver channel) aired Sat. 7:00-7:30, 9/26/15. No internet link available.

A late addition, not yet on the map: Around 7:30 p.m. sometime during "the week before" 9/30/15 along I-225 and Alameda Ave. a white SUV pulled up...
“They rolled the window down. I see something stick out of the window and then I heard the pop and they sped off. It shattered my passenger side window. The only thing that was holding my window together was the tint," Adido said. Aurora police said they don’t believe the hole was from a BB. Source: by Justin Josheph, Fox31, updated 05:57AM, 10/1/15 http://kdvr.com/2015/09/30/womans-w...ra-police-not-hopeful-about-catching-suspect/

Incident #13) The sheriff's office said at about 8:18 a.m. 10/15/15 ... received a report that shots were being fired from a vehicle driving westbound on E. Orchard Rd, west of Buckley Rd. in Aurora. One vehicle hit with two bullets. No injuries. No motive. Suspect, Jesse Wright, 34, of Denver, (photo above) captured same day. Kim Nguyen, Anica Padilla, Alan Gathright
8:52 AM, Oct 15, 2015 http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...s-surround-car-crash-on-parker-road-in-aurora

Incident #14) Shots fired from a black sedan at a white sedan while both were southbound on I-225 from East Iliff Avenue at 3 a.m. 10/16/15. Four shots hit the white sedan. Photo #1 (from Fox 31 Denver) is of the back window. No suspects, motive or injuries. Blair Shiff, KUSA 5:52 a.m. MDT October 16, 2015, http://www.9news.com/story/news/traffic/2015/10/16/sb-i-225-car-shooting-aurora/74039520/

Here's a screen shot of them (note that two markers cover multiple shatterings).

 

[Forager]

I'm not sure if this has been posted / article from 9/30:

Woman’s window shot out on I-225; Aurora police not hopeful about catching suspecthttp://kdvr.com/2015/09/30/womans-w...ra-police-not-hopeful-about-catching-suspect/

"Around 7:30 p.m., she was driving home along Interstate 225 and Alameda Avenue when a white SUV pulled up next to her.

“They rolled the window down. I see something stick out of the window and then I heard the pop and they sped off. It shattered my passenger side window. The only thing that was holding my window together was the tint," Adido said.

Aurora police said they don’t believe the hole was from a BB, but Adido said that’s not what they told her that night when she said they discouraged her from writing a report.

“He’s like 'This has been going on with shooting of car windows.' He’s like 'We probably won’t catch them . We haven’t caught anyone else,'” Adido said the officer told her.

Snip

"A few weeks ago, a woman was driving in the area near Yosemite Street and I-225 when someone shot at her multiple times, sending her to the hospital.""

I hadn't seen that one! Thank you! Passenger side and within 8.5 miles of the others in the hot spot around Aurora. I've mapped it as an orange star in the case map and inserted the incident it into the list posted below.

 

[Foxfire]

Quote Originally Posted by margarita25 View Post
I'm not sure if this has been posted / article from 9/30:

Woman’s window shot out on I-225; Aurora police not hopeful about catching suspecthttp://kdvr.com/2015/09/30/womans-wi...ching-suspect/

"Around 7:30 p.m., she was driving home along Interstate 225 and Alameda Avenue when a white SUV pulled up next to her.

“They rolled the window down. I see something stick out of the window and then I heard the pop and they sped off. It shattered my passenger side window. The only thing that was holding my window together was the tint," Adido said.

Aurora police said they don’t believe the hole was from a BB, but Adido said that’s not what they told her that night when she said they discouraged her from writing a report.

“He’s like 'This has been going on with shooting of car windows.' He’s like 'We probably won’t catch them . We haven’t caught anyone else,'” Adido said the officer told her.

Snip

"A few weeks ago, a woman was driving in the area near Yosemite Street and I-225 when someone shot at her multiple times, sending her to the hospital."

I hadn't seen that one! Thank you! Passenger side and within 8.5 miles of the others in the hot spot around Aurora. I'll map it. I wish the story had offered a date. (I've inserted it into the list below, but haven't mapped it yet. It's in Aurora).

<BBM for Focus>

Amazing that the Aurora LEO discouraged her from writing an incident report. Seems, that the public is becoming much more aware of the highway shootings. When will it stop?

 

[Foxfire]

This is exactly how I feel about my incident. It took me many months to report it to this WS thread. Bear in mind, I am not 100% certain that the serial shooter caused my damage but, then, again, it's just far too coincidental. JMHO




Typically, when I sign onto WS, I click on the "New Posts" link. It's a great way for me to be aware of interesting cases that I may not otherwise know about. When I returned from vacationing in Boulder, CO, I had no idea the shatterings/shootings/injuries/deaths had been occurring in the Denver area. Hence, when I got home and signed onto WS, I saw a recent post in this thread listed. I must say, it shook me up a bit to read the thread and think: "What if?".

What personally annoys me most, att, is that no one in the Denver area mentioned these events to us while we were there; especially, while at the dealership. Very disappointed in them and still have not discarded the idea of placing a phone call to the person's name mentioned on my receipt to voice my opinion of the episode since I could have at least notified the police dept. while we were still there.

That these illegal episodes are occurring in other major cities is quite simply terrorizing. I am behind in reading many pages. However, I am aware of the cities of Denver, Houston and Phoenix experiencing the crimes upon motorists. Are there other cities reporting these shootings? Do we have a total count of the Denver area incidents and of the three cities combined?

My sincere thanks go out to everyone on this thread and everyone who is working on solving these crimes and trying to prevent these mysterious strikes from happening again.

* My apologies for I intended to post this earlier this evening and became distracted.

<BBM for Focus>

MI also has an active highway shooter that seems to have gone dormant in the past few weeks. Only the FBI and maybe Homeland Security knows how many active highway shooters there are in the US at any given time via VICAP, imo. When multiple jurisdictions are involved, it is very difficult for local LEAs to connect the dots, imo.

Police in Michigan search for possible highway sniper ...
CALHOUN COUNTY, MI &#8212; Police are patrolling the roads that run along I-94 east of Battle Creek and I-69 north of Coldwater more frequently following a string of shooting incidents that occurred on two separate stretches of highway.
Aug 29, 2015 - Lab tests of forensic evidence has determined the damage is consistent with gunshots. No one has been reported injured ... Law enforcement said that other cases also likely resulted from the use of a weapon.
http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2015/08/police_in_calhoun_county_payin.html
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DeDee, there was also an active highway shooter in KC, MO in April 2014 that was apprehended after over 20 vehicle shootings. His name is Mohammad Whitaker. He is awaiting trial, and no motive has been released publicly.
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Mohammed Whitaker arraigned on 18 felony charges in series of highway shootings

Mohammed Whitaker, 27, the man suspected in the series of recent shootings on Kansas City-area highways, appeared in Jackson County Circuit Court for the first time Monday. Whitaker showed no emotion as a judge spent six minutes detailing the 18 felony charges filed against him. His next court date is May 1/2014.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/loca...eries-of-highway-shootings.html#storylink=cpy

 

[margarita25]

I liked the Fox31 piece by Justin Joseph. It didn't rehash all of detail of the incident, but we've already seen that. I thought it advanced the story by pointing out that this is the latest in a series of clearly deliberate highway attacks. All we'd been hearing before was pretty much "Random. Not related. Nothing to see here, folks. Keep moving."

The reporter cited three incidents. I count 14 apparent or obvious attack against motorists in Denver and just south of it this year. Here they are in chronological order, with source references:

Incident #1) Windshield shattered 3/29/15 around noon, on I-25 (aka Hwy. 87) southbound just above 88 in Centennial. "It was hit at the very bottom of the windshield on the far right side as we were traveling in the center lane. Traffic was light." The incident wasn't reported to the police. Source: WS registered user DeDee as reported on 10/14/15. No MSM source.

Incidents #2,3 and 4) Passenger side windows of three vehicles shattered on a one mile stretch of E. Hampden Ave on Wed. 6/17/15 at 12:40 a.m., 2:03 a.m. and 2:50 a.m. Each driver said there were no other cars on the road. Source: TheDenverChannel.com, http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...report-passenger-windows-shattering-in-aurora

Incident #5) Man, 20, hit in leg, while cycling, by a pellet shot from a "passing" grey car at about 3:00 PM 7/2/15. Saw the car pull up next to him, point a muzzle out of the window and shoot. Two people were in the attacker's vehicle. Article: Motorist shoots Aurora bicyclist with pellet gun, Robert Garrison, KUSA 6:52 p.m. MDT July 2, 2015 http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/2015/07/02/aurora-bicyclist-shot-with-pellet-gun/29648653/

Incidents #6,7,8,9) "Lt. Anthony Joiner II of the Morrison PD said that there have been four window shattering incidents in the last month and a half [as of 8/31/15]." We only have a date and locations for one: 8/31/15, on C-470, near Morrison. Lance Hernandez, http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...e-another-rash-of-window-shatterings-on-c-470

Incident #10) Side window shattered around 11:00 7/22/15 on I-25 (aka highway 87) "just south of Denver". Bullet fragments found in back seat. Glass scratches to driver. Anonymous source. http://www.

Incident #11) A driver's window was "confirmed shot out" on I-225, northbound, early near S. Yosemite St. "sometime before 3:45" on Thurs. (9/10/15) morning. Anicia Padillia, 7 News Denver (ABC) the DenverNewsChannel.com, http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...dow-on-i-225-early-thursday-morning-9-10-2015. "... police confirmed they found evidence that several rounds were fired at the vehicle. Blair Schiff, KUSA, http://www.9news.com/story/news/traffic/2015/09/10/i-225-shattered-window/71992950/

Incident #12) Window shattering early morning Sat. 9/26/15 on I-25 near Colfax Ave. in central Denver. 7News (the Denver channel) aired Sat. 7:00-7:30, 9/26/15. No internet link available.

A late addition, not yet on the map: Around 7:30 p.m. sometime during "the week before" 9/30/15 along I-225 and Alameda Ave. a white SUV pulled up...
&#8220;They rolled the window down. I see something stick out of the window and then I heard the pop and they sped off. It shattered my passenger side window. The only thing that was holding my window together was the tint," Adido said. Aurora police said they don&#8217;t believe the hole was from a BB. Source: by Justin Josheph, Fox31, updated 05:57AM, 10/1/15 http://kdvr.com/2015/09/30/womans-w...ra-police-not-hopeful-about-catching-suspect/

Incident #13) The sheriff's office said at about 8:18 a.m. 10/15/15 ... received a report that shots were being fired from a vehicle driving westbound on E. Orchard Rd, west of Buckley Rd. in Aurora. One vehicle hit with two bullets. No injuries. No motive. Suspect, Jesse Wright, 34, of Denver, (photo above) captured same day. Kim Nguyen, Anica Padilla, Alan Gathright
8:52 AM, Oct 15, 2015 http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...s-surround-car-crash-on-parker-road-in-aurora

Incident #14) Shots fired from a black sedan at a white sedan while both were southbound on I-225 from East Iliff Avenue at 3 a.m. 10/16/15. Four shots hit the white sedan. Photo #1 (from Fox 31 Denver) is of the back window. No suspects, motive or injuries. Blair Shiff, KUSA 5:52 a.m. MDT October 16, 2015, http://www.9news.com/story/news/traffic/2015/10/16/sb-i-225-car-shooting-aurora/74039520/

Here's a screen shot of them (note that two markers cover multiple shatterings).

You Rock. Thanks so much for keeping up with all of this! Really incredible work!

One addition re: incident #14, (if I'm not getting them confused, as that is entirely possible at this point), the black sedan that shot at the white sedan (a Nissan Maxima) was also later reported to be an older black Cadillac with tinted windows, iirc.

Eta / quoted from my post 823:
" *The video says its "an older model black Cadillac with tinted windows", to BOLO for that.
*I think the video states the older model black Cadillac was following them, that the 911 dispatcher helped guide them (the two people in the car that were shot at) to the Police Station."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ado-Drivers-on-Edge-3&p=12123551#post12123551

 

[margarita25]

Just brainstorming for a bit, I have often wondered if any of our guys have been involved with with armed robberies (banks maybe?), home invasions, street robberies... In mp cases, I've often seen a perp have a history of burglary related offenses. Considering we are talking about "gun related crimes" here...maybe some of these perps get a thrill from robbing people at gunpoint too, considering they're so gun happy and all. Just a thought...jmo.

Eta: this is sad, that I had to use the term "any of our guys" above, as in plural due to so many incidents that have occurred, both locally and nationally.

 

[margarita25]

So, re: my above post #840, I thought I'd take a look at armed robberies in the Loveland area, fwiw:

Loveland police search for armed bank robber
August 11, 2015
http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2015/08/11/suspect-sought-armed-robbery-loveland-bank/31487719/

*sigh, needle in a haystack, was just a thought.

Who killed John Jacoby and William Connole?

 

[margarita25]

Foxfire, any news on NS?

I saw this latest cnn video re: ISIS/hacking/arrest. Phoenix was mentioned in the video:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/10/16/isis-hacker-malaysia-dnt-todd-tsr.cnn

 

[Forager]

Just brainstorming for a bit, I have often wondered if any of our guys have been involved with with armed robberies (banks maybe?), home invasions, street robberies... In mp cases, I've often seen a perp have a history of burglary related offenses. Considering we are talking about "gun related crimes" here...maybe some of these perps get a thrill from robbing people at gunpoint too, considering they're so gun happy and all. Just a thought...jmo.

Eta: this is sad, that I had to use the term "any of our guys" above, as in plural due to so many incidents that have occurred, both locally and nationally.

I was about to write a post to the effect that I've never heard of serial highway shooters involved in robberies. But then realized that no one knows much of anything about serial highway shooters at all, at least not about the persistant kind we're dealing with in Colorado. Few have been caught, and we don't have much on what made them tick or what else they were up to. We mostly only know about the shooting they did.

As we've seen in the Colorado shootings, however, even identifying lots of instances of random highway shootings in doesn't get us very far and leaves us uncertain about which are related to which others.

None of which is to say that you are wrong to suspect a tie-in with armed robbery, just that we'll frustrate ourselves if we try to broaden our net by attempting to integrate instances of armed robbery. I was already leary about getting into the business of examining building shootings on our home turf north of Denver, and broadening our scope to areas south of Denver has already been a stretch for us.

 

[Foxfire]

Foxfire, any news on NS?

I saw this latest cnn video re: ISIS/hacking/arrest. Phoenix was mentioned in the video:
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/10/16/isis-hacker-malaysia-dnt-todd-tsr.cnn

Margarita25, this article from three months ago seems to be coming to fruition, imo. Seems, that LE and the ms media is silent on NS. Included is this post is the latest info available.

FBI: "Middle Eastern" men approaching U.S. military families In Colorado & Wyoming
By: CBS DENVER

The document, called a Situational Information Report, was issued in early July.

CBS DENVER: FBI - Middle Eastern Men Intimidating U.S. Military Families In Colorado & Wyoming
From Alpha to Bravo, what it means for Team Malmstrom DENVER -
CBS Denver reports that an alert has been issued by the FBI to law enforcement agencies in Colorado and Wyoming involving U.S. military families and concerns about who may be watching them.

The document, called a Situational Information Report, was released in early July, and says Middle Eastern men have approached families of U.S. military members at their homes in Colorado and Wyoming. It mentions Greeley, CO and Cheyenne, WY, as the specific areas.

http://www.krtv.com/story/29714306/...hing-us-military-families-in-colorado-wyoming
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Glendale CA News
Man pleads not guilty to killing grandparents with an ax
http://www.glendalenewspress.com/ne...ndparents-with-an-ax-20150921,0,6925473.story
He is being held without bail, and is due back in court in November 17/2015.

 

[margarita25]

Probably o/t, but this is interesting....

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...h-for-attempted-homicide-suspect-in-littleton

*note multiple agencies and felony menacing with a deadly weapon

"LITTLETON, Colo. - Several law enforcement agencies working together to arrest an attempted homicide suspect in Jefferson County were finally able to catch him after he eluded authorities for two days."

Snip

"Our partners at the Denver Post report Zuchowski, 21, had a warrant out for his arrest on charges of attempted murder, robbery, aggravated menacing with a deadly weapon and felony menacing with a deadly weapon, all stemming from a Saturday night incident, according to court records obtained by the newspaper."

Link to Denver Post report referred to in above quote:
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28976787/search-attempted-homicide-suspect-jeffco?source=infinite-

*I wonder what the specific circumstances are here

 

[Forager]

This is exactly how I feel about my incident... . <snipped, with respect, for focus>
That these illegal episodes are occurring in other major cities is quite simply terrorizing. I am behind in reading many pages. However, I am aware of the cities of Denver, Houston and Phoenix experiencing the crimes upon motorists. Are there other cities reporting these shootings? Do we have a total count of the Denver area incidents and of the three cities combined?

The serial highway attacks are terrorizing, but they should't be. With few exceptions, they don't much hurt anyone physically. (Easy for me to say from my desk, I'll grant.) And remember that we're talking about random serial highway attacks. Targeted attacks, which almost never happen in series, tend to be more lethal.

As to stats on the various series, here's what I had as of a few days ago for 2015 from an earlier post. The numbers count 'incidents', one for each motorist attacked. The Colorado series are in red. Other jurisdictions do seem to be more forthcoming about their incidents, at least once the press starts asking about them. I think that there is a universal tendancy for first responders to be dismissive of less blatant incidents like window shatterings - unless it happens to them. When a police vehicle gets hit, highways get shut down and manhunts initiated.



Here is the spreadsheet on which I try to track them. It's in need of some updates at the moment.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HhEltIWV-FlpJxZ6F_QEuVgSyY7Fc1C6ztmJ3hRghAA/edit

 

[Hatfield]

It is discouraging to me to hear that CO LE themselves are discouraging citizens from reporting these incidents. These are serious and life threatening incidents. We have seen a few times now that LE seems to be shying away from these. And now they are at the point of telling people to ignore them and go home? I don't get it.
Arizona LE treated their incidents much more aggressively. I am not sure why CO LE seems to be the opposite.

Why does it seem that CO LE is not treating them with the importance that it deserves?

What is causing the climate for LE to be like that?

Are they overwhelmed with the incidents and giving up?

Or is there something else going on where LE is trying to downplay these?

Instead of trying to gather more evidence and trying to solve these it now seems that just the opposite is happening. They seem to be telling people to ignore them.
Its crazy IMO. I wonder how this poor lady felt after she thinks someone was aiming at her head. I bet she doesn't want them to just ignore her incident.
They may as well tell the newspaper to print a report article and tell people if they get shot at on the highway to not bother to call LE because they are not going to do anything about it unless you end up dead.


"....she said they discouraged her from writing a report."

"&#8220;He&#8217;s like 'This has been going on with shooting of car windows.' He&#8217;s like 'We probably won&#8217;t catch them . We haven&#8217;t caught anyone else,'&#8221; Adido said the officer told her."

http://kdvr.com/2015/09/30/womans-w...ra-police-not-hopeful-about-catching-suspect/

 

[Forager]

Here, here, Hatfield! Well said.

 

[searchinGirl]

I don't think LE is willing to consider a window shattering as being shot with a bullet unless there is evidence of the bullet... as simple as it sounds, it could make the difference in whether its replacement is covered by insurance or not...I mean, I'm sure CR had a police report to submit to the body shop when her car was repaired and I bet she didn't pay out-of-pocket for broken glass...

I had my eye on this story all day yesterday as possibly being related to NOCO...

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...t-may-not-have-solely-been-a-traffic-accident

two bodies in a burning upside-down pickup truck in a ditch along one of those lonely desolate Weld County roads near a designated shooting area that weren't discovered until the fire went out... the story contains this familiar quote: "there was no evidence of any kind of shooting"... I don't know how they could come to this conclusion so quickly since the car and the bodies completely burnt up ...but, since there is no evidence of a shooting, there must not have been a shooting...I guess...

 

[Foxfire]

I don't think LE is willing to consider a window shattering as being shot with a bullet unless there is evidence of the bullet... as simple as it sounds, it could make the difference in whether its replacement is covered by insurance or not...I mean, I'm sure CR had a police report to submit to the body shop when her car was repaired and I bet she didn't pay out-of-pocket for broken glass...

I had my eye on this story all day yesterday as possibly being related to NOCO...

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...t-may-not-have-solely-been-a-traffic-accident

two bodies in a burning upside-down pickup truck in a ditch along one of those lonely desolate Weld County roads near a designated shooting area that weren't discovered until the fire went out... the story contains this familiar quote: "there was no evidence of any kind of shooting"... I don't know how they could come to this conclusion so quickly since the car and the bodies completely burnt up ...but, since there is no evidence of a shooting, there must not have been a shooting...I guess...

2 deaths found in burning car; Investigators find it 'may not have solely been a traffic accident'

Phil Tenser
3:24 PM, Oct 19, 2015
Updated 2 hours ago
<Snipped - read more> http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...t-may-not-have-solely-been-a-traffic-accident

WELD COUNTY, Colo. - "Suspicious circumstances" suggest that a crash and fire that killed two people may have been more than just a traffic accident.

Weld County Sheriff Steve Reams says the ongoing investigation discovered those "suspicious circumstances" and that the case is now being processed as an "investigated death."

 

[Forager]

You've got me in a quandry, here, SearchinGirl. Having doubted many of LE's 'just road debris' calls, I'd like to back you in your doubts, but a dispenser of PDQ opinions that I can't prove, I'm drawn to giving LE the benefit of the doubt in theirs. They are seeing more than we can and have more experience.

My latest PDQ opinion is that the location the burnt pickup might be out of 'our' NoCO shooter's or shooters' zone of familiarity. I've shown it as a red teardrop on the map. It's further north and almost further east than any of the potential window shattering attacks we've tracked, and it was on a smaller road than we're used to (too minor for Google Maps to show at the scale I'm using).

 

[searchinGirl]

You've got me in a quandry, here, SearchinGirl. Having doubted many of LE's 'just road debris' calls, I'd like to back you in your doubts, but a dispenser of PDQ opinions that I can't prove, I'm drawn to giving LE the benefit of the doubt in theirs. They are seeing more than we can and have more experience.

My latest PDQ opinion is that the location the burnt pickup might be out of 'our' NoCO shooter's or shooters' zone of familiarity. I've shown it as a red teardrop on the map. It's further north and almost further east than any of the potential window shattering attacks we've tracked, and it was on a smaller road than we're used to (too minor for Google Maps to show at the scale I'm using).

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thank you Forager...I certainly didn't mean for you to second-guess yourself...and it's probably not related so no need to put it on the map if you don't want to...but for all we know it could be the orange truck the task force has been looking for and if someone wanted to get rid of it they picked the perfect spot because Weld County LE response in remote rural areas is based on complaint and not on patrol...the deputy in the broadcast version of the story said the truck was totally cindered before they got there...they can't identify its make or model...I'm not surprised they find it suspicious...I mean, how did two people end up incinerated in an upside-down truck?...

 

[Forager]

By Max Lewontin of the Christian Science Monitor
Four-year-old girl shot in road rage incident, police 'desperate' for leads

My Google alerts kicked up this article about a road rage incident, and tried to look a little deeper into road rage shootings. I was agog at the numbers involved. We are only seeing the very tip of the iceberg as we scan the daily press:

"The AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety research shows that between 1990 and 1996 road rage contributed to 218 deaths and 12,610 injuries. The study analyzed 10,037 police reports and newspaper stories about traffic accidents that led to violence."

That was an old report, and was already showing rapid growth in road rage from 1990 - 1996. I dread to think what the numbers look like today after twenty years more of population growth, road congestion and gun purchases, and with today's higher rates of stress and drug use.

He also cites a National Highway Traffic Safety Administration study that proports to identify a personality type prone to road rage. If you find yourself regularly getting unusually cheezed at your neighbors' crappy driving, check yourself before you wreck yourself.

I remember you talking about using GoPros, SearchinGirl. What's that been like? I believe (but have no numbers, I'll admit), that most road rage attacks go unsolved. It would be awfully nice to get enough cameras out there that the opposite were true. Potential attackers need be wondering "Am I on camera?" and chilling out.