CO CO - Roger Ellison, 17, Cedaredge, 10 Feb 1981 #1

[Fairy1]

Sorry ya'll - been up to my elbows in turkey, stuffing and dishes!

I need to start over looking at UID's in AZ. I got stuck focusing on Maricopa County and I don't believe, geographically, it's logical. Though it really did disturb me how many young men fitting Roger's characteristics were listed. It also disturbs me that DNA testing has been completed - or even submitted - on SO FEW of them. Even if they died or were killed crossing the border from Mexico, they are someone's son, father, husband, etc. So sad - and why so many skulls???

But I digress....I would like to have more concrete facts on Roger's situation before I go searching in AZ and NM again. Pash claimed that he went out of town that weekend with the wrestling team. I would like to know if that's true - and if so - was he physically travelling with others or did he go on his own? This is an important detail if we are to be looking at UID's in other states.

 

[Danaya]

Kevmob can you be more specific?

 

[Danaya]

Fairy

This afternoon I spent like 35 minutes looking at UIDs. I looked through ALL neighboring states and Arizona. LOTS in Arizona, none that matched in other states. I got halfway through AZ up to the nineties and nothing.

 

[Danaya]

Maricopa County, but missing a few teeth: http://doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase372.html

Here is an unidentified 20 year old male who was 6 feet, found in 1990 in Maricopa County. HE HAD A COLORADO UNIVERSITY BOULDER SWEATER! Only problem is, he had a 1988 Olympics sweater and Roger went missing in 81. http://doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase385.html

 

[Fairy1]

Fairy

This afternoon I spent like 35 minutes looking at UIDs. I looked through ALL neighboring states and Arizona. LOTS in Arizona, none that matched in other states. I got halfway through AZ up to the nineties and nothing.

If you look at where Cedaredge is in CO, you will see that northern AZ or NM make the most sense. Then again, there are many areas right in the area where Roger went missing that would have been great areas to hide a dead body.

 

[Fairy1]

http://www.sitesatlas.com/Flash/USCan/static/COFC.htm

Here is the map of CO counties. Cedaredge is in Delta County.

Thoughts?

 

[Wendy101]

As the old theory goes, it's not what you say, it's how it was said. I recommend everybody take a look back and read all of the posts for Roger, which is the reason for this thread. I truly believe answers are coming soon.

No to be rude or anything but why dont you just tell us what you think?
I have been been from top to bottom of this thread a couple times, as I am sure others have too.. and now you are suggesting we are missing something that is right infront of our eyes? Why not just tell us, instead of leaving "clues"?

 

[Danaya]

I think I will have to take a break from this case, it is really haunting me. I woke up in the middle of the night after having a dream or nightmare about this. What haunts me is P. P, I believe, is the one who killed Roger. I just have a feeling. I think P is a narcissist and went to great lengths to create a defence here on WS. Roger's body is probably in the woods, I think that the hunters may have been right. I don't think the woods were searched enough, I think it was quick and over with.

 

[mayfairlight]

I think I will have to take a break from this case, it is really haunting me. I woke up in the middle of the night after having a dream or nightmare about this. What haunts me is P. P, I believe, is the one who killed Roger. I just have a feeling. I think P is a narcissist and went to great lengths to create a defence here on WS. Roger's body is probably in the woods, I think that the hunters may have been right. I don't think the woods were searched enough, I think it was quick and over with.

I agree with you on all points.
I also think Pash is somehow involved in this.
Pash came on Websleuths not to defend himself, but to belittle the members here who do so much hard work.
He only came here to show off his writing skills IMO.
It is an absolutely terrible thing to do, but Pash, prove, in writing or documents, that you were teaching a class when Roger disappeared. Around 30 pupils could attest to this. Ask them to verify this, and you will not be mentioned here agasin.

 

[justthinkin]

I'm waiting for them to tear down the school. I believe Roger may be buried under it somewhere. If there was any ground that wasn't frozen, where a person could dig, it would be under a building or house that was kept warm during winter months.

Of course Roger could have been left in the woods somewhere or in a cave. And then of course after the spring thaw, Roger could have been buried. Hunting season would've been over so it would be late September or early October before the great influx of Texas hunters would arrive to combine with residents of the state to scour the back country for elk and mule deer once again. Also, Colorado has a healthy black bear population in the western 2/3 of the state.

If JP is responsible, he strikes me as the kind of person who would have had his plans well thought out in advance. I can't see him as the type who would be so careless as to have to keep moving a body or have to go back because it wasn't done right the first time. His posts here reveal his fastidious nature. I can easily see him as someone who might invent an assignment that could be kept in a drawer for purposes of sending local LE off looking in another direction if he found himself the focus of their investigation. How convenient it would be to have on hand a ready reference to answer the question as to where Roger may have gone. What was the question? Was it, "If you left home today, permanently, where would you go, what would you do?" I'm just guessing it was something along that order.

No one would think so far in advance to consider the school might be torn down. Often old schools are turned into administration buildings or simply left to stand or sold off. With all that said, JP remains innocent, and as far as any of us know he's only a POI, not a formal suspect.

 

[Fairy1]

I'm waiting for them to tear down the school. I believe Roger may be buried under it somewhere. If there was any ground that wasn't frozen, where a person could dig, it would be under a building or house that was kept warm during winter months.

Of course Roger could have been left in the woods somewhere or in a cave. And then of course after the spring thaw, Roger could have been buried. Hunting season would've been over so it would be late September or early October before the great influx of Texas hunters would arrive to combine with residents of the state to scour the back country for elk and mule deer once again. Also, Colorado has a healthy black bear population in the western 2/3 of the state.

If JP is responsible, he strikes me as the kind of person who would have had his plans well thought out in advance. I can't see him as the type who would be so careless as to have to keep moving a body or have to go back because it wasn't done right the first time. His posts here reveal his fastidious nature. I can easily see him as someone who might invent an assignment that could be kept in a drawer for purposes of sending local LE off looking in another direction if he found himself the focus of their investigation. How convenient it would be to have on hand a ready reference to answer the question as to where Roger may have gone. What was the question? Was it, "If you left home today, permanently, where would you go, what would you do?" I'm just guessing it was something along that order.

No one would think so far in advance to consider the school might be torn down. Often old schools are turned into administration buildings or simply left to stand or sold off. With all that said, JP remains innocent, and as far as any of us know he's only a POI, not a formal suspect.

Well, if Roger is buried under the school, there had to have been a way to get him there. How? And why haven't they discovered that after all this time? IDK.

Looking again at the CO county map, UT may be the most likely burial spot outside of CO. Then again, if JP did go to Denver that weekend, as he stated, Roger could be buried anywhere between Cedaredge and Denver. Jeez. It's hard to believe the earth hasn't given up this boy by now.

I'm going to see how far between Cedaredge and Denver and will try to find out what kind of terrain is involved....

Here is the Mapquest from Cedaredge to Denver - just under 5 hours driving time:

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Ced...=CO&2y=US&2l=39.740112&2g=-104.984856&2v=CITY

IIRC, I-70 is the major route to Denver from just about anywhere in CO. Wonder if LE has searched along this route...?

 

[Julessleuther]

Fairy: The route between Cederedge and Denver is very mountainous, the terrain rough in most areas, except the actual interstates. I have driven from Aspen to Denver, and it is BIG mountains in that area.

 

[Danaya]

When you think about all the missing people out there who haven't been found, there are lots of bodies that just they don't get found. Elements, animals, lots of reasons. I think he was killed in the woods and is still there, some where. I searched Utah, no UIDs.

 

[justthinkin]

There are some 23,000 abandoned mines in Colorado, of which a little over 6000 have been made safe. The two chief businesses in Cedaredge are mining and agriculture. Bound to be some old abandoned mines around there.

Fairy, there was mention, on the findrogerellison site, of a crawl space under the school with possible access underneath the gymnasium stairs. Don't know how much of a crawl space it would be, but if feasible even at this late date, cadaver dogs might be useful.

 

[kitbits]

http://www.sitesatlas.com/Flash/USCan/static/COFC.htm

Here is the map of CO counties. Cedaredge is in Delta County.

Thoughts?

lots & lots of wilderness area surrounding it...and being one who lived in Colo. for 30 years, I can tell you that the wilderness areas in the state are vast. People get lost all the time in the mountains. Cedaredge isn't that far from a couple of national forest areas. I've driven out to Utah from Denver more than once, as well, via I-70. Lots and lots desert-y wilderness, as well.

 

[Wendy101]

Hummm.. a thought just popped in to my head...

Somewhere it said JP is still teaching somewhere...I wonder if any young boys went missing from that school or area! Does anyone know where he teaches or lives? Would be interesing to find out..

 

[Wendy101]

I went to school with Roger Ellison. He was an underclassman when I was a Senior. Nice kid, very personable and didn't deserve what happened to him regardless "things aren't what they seem". What I remember of him he wouldn't intentional hurt anyone and I know it would have pained him greatly knowing what his parents went through. I did leave Cedaredge after graduation and Pash wasn't there when I attended. I have met up with people who definately had the opinion that Mr. Pash was involved. From what I heard he was "the dude to get your pot from". The other was the city police where in on the cover up and everyone was to scared to talk. Well, I would like to suggest that enough time has gone by and those causing the intimidation don't hold much over those with information. Kids are easily intimidated and now that they are all older adults and with intensive media coverage on their side they shouldn't be afraid anymore.
Here are a few things I've heard. Pash was married, but his wife divorced him not long after Rogers disappearance. He moved from Cedaredge sometime between 1983 and 1985. He's been teaching in Madera since at least 1988. So when they dug up his yard in 1994 he wasn't living there.
I've thought of Roger often over the years and I was pleased to see that perhaps his case can soon be solved.
What can we do to speed up the DNA testing?

Bolded by me:

Looks like Pash went to teach in Madera .... humm... I wonder.....

 

[justthinkin]

lots & lots of wilderness area surrounding it...and being one who lived in Colo. for 30 years, I can tell you that the wilderness areas in the state are vast. People get lost all the time in the mountains. Cedaredge isn't that far from a couple of national forest areas. I've driven out to Utah from Denver more than once, as well, via I-70. Lots and lots desert-y wilderness, as well.

I was wondering about people getting lost up there. A group of us decided to go mule deer hunting in CO in the Umcompahgre Forest a number of years ago. Now, I have a strong sense of direction, but my husband didn't. We'd been out hunting one morning, and decided to return to camp. I started back and he started to walk in the opposite direction of camp. If I hadn't been along, he would've gotten lost. I had a hard time convincing him he was headed in the wrong direction.

 

[kitbits]

oh yes, indeed. I remember camping with my parents in Wyoming once & we went for a walk. As we headed back, I pointed to the lake where we had walked by, where lots of people were fishing and suchlike and said that we needed to head back that way. My father disagreed & we carried on in a different direction and then got lost! We ended up walking by a logging road and eventually a young bow hunter came along in his 4-wheel drive vehicle & said we were quite far off! He was a young guy & really nice and gave us a lift to the campground. Lucky us because it snowed quite a bit overnight!

It happens over here in the Highlands a lot, as well. The weather changes drastically and suddenly and people get lost all the time.

 

[Fairy1]

I just can't make it seem logical, in my mind, that Roger would have been left in another state when CO has so many places to hide someone.

We need to find out for sure if his DNA profile is in CODIS!